Can the Hoosiers go dancing?

[Rico]

4 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

They can lose 1 game. Conference tourney title game. And we know what Indiana does in the conference tourney... lose.


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IU Scott is that you?

[coonhounds]

They can lose 1 game. Conference tourney title game. And we know what Indiana does in the conference tourney... lose.


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I think they can win out then win two tournament games. I predict our Hope's are dashed Saturday but we shall see

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[theriverpilot]

Call me an underachiever but I say we win 2 out of 3 to end the season, win one game in the BTT, and then are a solid NIT bid. From there I can see making a decent run.


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[Hovadipo]

4 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

Call me an underachiever but I say we win 2 out of 3 to end the season, win one game in the BTT, and then are a solid NIT bid. From there I can see making a decent run.


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I’d be fine making an NIT run and salvaging *something* out of the season. It would be fun and more IU basketball is never a bad thing to me, but people crapping on the whole thing and poking fun of it will be unbearable. 

(I also think you have a pretty accurate assesment of how this thing finishes out)

[RaceToTheTop]

51 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

I mean I wouldn’t burn it down but I’d build a new one.


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If you build it, they will come.

[Alford Bailey]

14 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I’d be fine making an NIT run and salvaging *something* out of the season. It would be fun and more IU basketball is never a bad thing to me, but people crapping on the whole thing and poking fun of it will be unbearable. 

(I also think you have a pretty accurate assesment of how this thing finishes out)

Would be an improvement over last year.

[bleedhoosier]

I've been so bummed about IU for weeks. Then, we had 2 games lost but with a little gusto. Then I'm seeing Race come in and hold his own again Happ.... Now...now I feel hope again in the programs direction and our new (possibly assumed) knowledge of very bad teammates. I'm mostly drunk and love you bastards, but I also excited about the teams finish and more specifically, the future 

[HinnyHoosier]

If you build it, they will come.

Don’t encourage him right now. Please.


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[coonhounds]

That sounds pretty realistic. Wonder if ole Freddy would have any games at home this time...


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Doubt it. Nobody shows up anyhow

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[yogisballin]

A 14 loss team has made the NCAA tournament at large 11 times. See link below

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/bracket-beat/2017-02-17/college-basketball-teams-make-ncaa-tournament-double%3famp


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[yogisballin]

I've been so bummed about IU for weeks. Then, we had 2 games lost but with a little gusto. Then I'm seeing Race come in and hold his own again Happ.... Now...now I feel hope again in the programs direction and our new (possibly assumed) knowledge of very bad teammates. I'm mostly drunk and love you bastards, but I also excited about the teams finish and more specifically, the future 

Seeing Race play, kinda does help with hope. It’s like maybe the others fed off his energy as hustle. He can play UP TO 9 games this year and still apply for a medical redshirt for this season later down the road, correct?? Someone please correct me if I’m wrong


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[cappymo14]

I thought AH was nowhere near full the Tuesday night?


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It wasn’t. Looked ok when I watched the replay after getting home last night, but tv was deceiving. There were noticeable bald spots in the sections opposite the benches and after the first overtime. It was looking thin indeed. Balcony was bald. Saw something that said it was 95% capacity but it’s my belief that was BS


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[cappymo14]

I think I kind of side with Joe on the committee thing. Ok, fine. So conference record doesn’t matter. And yeah, there’s the no bad losses thing, I’m good with all of that. I’m not good with a committee that would ignore losing 11 of 12, including 5 straight in your own house. I think it’s ridiculous to believe any assembly of college basketball experts would simply ignore how lifeless they were in a majority of those losses. There is going to be the eye test folks. It’s simply human nature. I believe the .Net rankings and the quad system gets us a mention in the room, but the committee will vote it down without batting an eye. It’s miracle time for Indiana in my humble opinion. I suggest not losing again. I hate to say this, but as things sit, right now today, I would not respect a committee that puts them through.

 

 

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[mdn82]

I think I kind of side with Joe on the committee thing. Ok, fine. So conference record doesn’t matter. And yeah, there’s the no bad losses thing, I’m good with all of that. I’m not good with a committee that would ignore losing 11 of 12, including 5 straight in your own house. I think it’s ridiculous to believe any assembly of college basketball experts would simply ignore how lifeless they were in a majority of those losses. There is going to be the eye test folks. It’s simply human nature. I believe the .Net rankings and the quad system gets us a mention in the room, but the committee will vote it down without batting an eye. It’s miracle time for Indiana in my humble opinion. I suggest not losing again. I hate to say this, but as things sit, right now today, I would not respect a committee that puts them through.

 

 

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Most committee members don’t watch every single game as closely and emotionally as the fans do. That’s why they rely on the numbers. Plus I don’t think anyone would ignore the 11 out of 12 thing. That’s why we are in the situation we are in. We have to win enough and beat the right teams. What happens in between is meaningless how you get there. I don’t think we make it because we won’t win enough. Not because we lost 11 of 12. If we win out and two games in the BTT we would be in. We might get in with winning out and one game in BTT. I don’t see us winning enough to get to that convo.

 

 

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[Alford Bailey]

10 hours ago, yogisballin said:

A 14 loss team has made the NCAA tournament at large 11 times. See link below

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/bracket-beat/2017-02-17/college-basketball-teams-make-ncaa-tournament-double%3famp


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We have 14 losses right now. If we win out we would get the automatic bid. We would have minimum 15 losses to get an at large. Dont see that happening.

[Uspshoosier]

If it’s not going to be Indiana this year then it’s going to be some team that is going to get in that probably shouldn’t be or who other people think shouldn’t get in.


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[Uspshoosier]

That’s the bad part about this year. We really shouldn’t even be in the discussion right now at all. But the field is just that bad. Trying to find 36 at large bids is difficult with those who really deserve it. This year the field will get holes filled with teams from the Top 6 rather than any mid majors. Nevada, Buffalo and Gonzaga are the mid majors who don’t have to win their conference tourneys likely. But teams like Indiana and Oklahoma who have struggled greatly in conference play have stayed in the conversation. Just a few years ago, Indiana and Oklahoma wouldn’t have been considered at this point because of their conference record. So the committee has shifted focus for sure.


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Wofford doesn’t have to win their tournament


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[mdn82]

That’s the bad part about this year. We really shouldn’t even be in the discussion right now at all. But the field is just that bad. Trying to find 36 at large bids is difficult with those who really deserve it. This year the field will get holes filled with teams from the Top 6 rather than any mid majors. Nevada, Buffalo and Gonzaga are the mid majors who don’t have to win their conference tourneys likely. But teams like Indiana and Oklahoma who have struggled greatly in conference play have stayed in the conversation. Just a few years ago, Indiana and Oklahoma wouldn’t have been considered at this point because of their conference record. So the committee has shifted focus for sure.

 

 

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How have they shifted their focus? This is the same it’s been for 20 years. A handful of mid majors play a schedule good enough to show they belong. By your explanation of who is a mid major not quite half will be mid majors so I don’t know what you are complaining about.

 

 

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[Uspshoosier]

How have they shifted their focus? This is the same it’s been for 20 years. A handful of mid majors play a schedule good enough to show they belong. By your explanation of who is a mid major not quite half will be mid majors so I don’t know what you are complaining about.
 
 
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They haven’t shifted focus. Last time they shifted focus was when they stopped looking at how a team was playing last 12 games. He just so hung up on IU having a chance still. IU is still in the conversation because they have 4 top 20 wins with one of those on the road. Only way IU gets back on the bubble is for them to win out and win 2 games in BTT. Not sure why he is flipping out about it. Numbers are on his side just wait it out and the numbers will work themselves out. Bubble works both ways as well. With a terrible bubble that has allowed Garbage Mid-Majors with garbage resumes to still be in the conversation like St Mary’s and San Francisco. If (Big if) IU won out and won 2 BTT games that would mean that they won 6 straight and at least 3 against top 30 teams. People want committee to not forget about losing 10 of 11 but should they ignore winning 6 straight and playing their best basketball in March? They shouldn’t ignore and they don’t ignore any of it. Teams are judged by the whole body of work for the entire season


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[Stuhoo]

12 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

They haven’t shifted focus. Last time they shifted focus was when they stopped looking at how a team was playing last 12 games. He just so hung up on IU having a chance still. IU is still in the conversation because they have 4 top 20 wins with one of those on the road. Only way IU gets back on the bubble is for them to win out and win 2 games in BTT. Not sure why he is flipping out about it. Numbers are on his side just wait it out and the numbers will work themselves out. Bubble works both ways as well. With a terrible bubble that has allowed Garbage Mid-Majors with garbage resumes to still be in the conversation like St Mary’s and San Francisco. If (Big if) IU won out and won 2 BTT games that would mean that they won 6 straight and at least 3 against top 30 teams. People want committee to not forget about losing 10 of 11 but should they ignore winning 6 straight and playing their best basketball in March? They shouldn’t ignore and they don’t ignore any of it. Teams are judged by the whole body of work for the entire season


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^^This^^

If IU drops a game more (besides a BTT loss) their tournament chances are toast. BUT, if we somehow rise to the occasion against MSU at home, we will be favored in both of our remaining two regular season B1G games, and if we won them we'd be at 17-14 going into the B1G Tournament with no bad losses and wins over:

• #6 MSU on the road
• #6 MSU at home
• #10 Marquette at home
• #19 Wisconsin at home
• #26 Lousiville at home
• Numerous other quad 1/2 wins

And that, plus two BTT wins with the second likely against another ranked team, and on a neutral court to boot (and a subsequent loss), would put IU at 19-15, and IMO, in the tournament. Three BTT wins (with two more against ranked teams in the BTT) and 20-15? We're a no-brainer NCAA tourney team.

That having been said, MSU is favored to beat us and end this discussion this Saturday.