Summer of 2018

[HoosierFan1994]

15 minutes ago, Stromboli said:

 

That leaves out Forrester, De'Ron, Clifton, and Damezi.  I'm not really disagreeing with you, more wondering how you justify leaving all those guys on the bench.  I guess because there's 10 guys better?  Man.  

Exactly. It sounds like a good problem to have. Practices should be very competitive. My guess is Archie goes only ten deep. I'd be surprised if there isn't a transfer during or after the season. It is tough to keep that many guys happy. 

[ALASKA HOOSIER]

I don't know if it's been mentioned.... Don Fischer was interviewed and he stated that this is the deepest team he has seen since 1975. Don't know where I read or heard this but it excited me.

[southsidehoosier]

30 minutes ago, ALASKA HOOSIER said:

I don't know if it's been mentioned.... Don Fischer was interviewed and he stated that this is the deepest team he has seen since 1975. Don't know where I read or heard this but it excited me.

I heard him say that in his interview with Dakich.

[GloryDays]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Forrester gets some minutes with his high energy for me. Phinisee I think is going to be really good, but I think he is going to have a learning curve this season. 

I agree on Forrester.Shot blocking sure can come in handy.

[ap2345]

I think there will be a lot of guys getting some minutes in the first few games in order to see who actually can play when the lights come on.


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[schoosier]

1 hour ago, ALASKA HOOSIER said:

I don't know if it's been mentioned.... Don Fischer was interviewed and he stated that this is the deepest team he has seen since 1975. Don't know where I read or heard this but it excited me.

If this is true then coaching will make the difference. How do you win when you’re deeper than your opponents? Defense. You press, trap, and play at 100% on every possession. Winning time will be in the second half of games where talent is evenly matched otherwise. Just ask the General.

[Stuhoo]

35 minutes ago, schoosier said:

If this is true then coaching will make the difference. How do you win when you’re deeper than your opponents? Defense. You press, trap, and play at 100% on every possession. Winning time will be in the second half of games where talent is evenly matched otherwise. Just ask the General.

 

Play at 100% on every possession? For sure.

Use the bench as a motivator? You betcha.

Press and trap? Not going to happen - that is the antithesis of the packline defense. The packline has a few basic principles: Always pressure the ball, never double beyond the three point line unless the ballhandler gives up his dribble, play off your man when he's without the ball beyond the three point line, force drivers into the lane where help awaits (and never allow baseline drives), an the help defenders should slap at the ball and double in the lane.

 

[LIHoosier]

2 hours ago, ap2345 said:

I think there will be a lot of guys getting some minutes in the first few games in order to see who actually can play when the lights come on.


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As compared to schedules past, there's only 2 games to try out the roster. Playing vs Marquette and at Arkansas in games 3 & 4 will mean the tried and true guys will get the majority of the minutes. The next chance for 'tryouts' is during Thanksgiving break before the Dookies.

[HoosierFan1994]

25 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

As compared to schedules past, there's only 2 games to try out the roster. Playing vs Marquette and at Arkansas in games 3 & 4 will mean the tried and true guys will get the majority of the minutes. The next chance for 'tryouts' is during Thanksgiving break before the Dookies.

I said the same thing to someone on Saturday. Part of the reason Hoosier Hysteria was so early was to get the hoopla out of the way and get to work. Marquette is not an easy team who will be dancing in March. They have a couple of really good studs. I think Arkansas has a big man that is projected to go in the lottery.  The non-con isn't the hardest slate ever but it sure is an improvement. Also, thank god for no Indiana State or IPFW. Lol I was at the Indiana State game last year and it was miserable. 

[Crimson and Cream]

5 hours ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I said the same thing to someone on Saturday. Part of the reason Hoosier Hysteria was so early was to get the hoopla out of the way and get to work. Marquette is not an easy team who will be dancing in March. They have a couple of really good studs. I think Arkansas has a big man that is projected to go in the lottery.  The non-con isn't the hardest slate ever but it sure is an improvement. Also, thank god for no Indiana State or IPFW. Lol I was at the Indiana State game last year and it was miserable. 

Daniel Gafford is the hogs big man I assume is projected to go in the lottery. I'm skeptical of that though unless he makes a big jump and showcases some kind of jump shot. Big time shot blocker though. Wonder who we'll put on him. 

[Crimson and Cream]

10 hours ago, ALASKA HOOSIER said:

I don't know if it's been mentioned.... Don Fischer was interviewed and he stated that this is the deepest team he has seen since 1975. Don't know where I read or heard this but it excited me.

And I'm incredibly intrigued to see how Archie handles a team this deep with talent. He never really had this problem/luxury at Dayton.

[Chris007]

22 hours ago, jbell833 said:

I was at HH and from what I saw from the scrimmage ( I know it's a small sample size and it's a SCRIMMAGE), but Green looked to be the same player trying make the impossible passes with all risk very low reward type plays, took a couple quick shots and didn't even look to get Romeo the ball hardly at all. I was never a fan of him last year and he has to prove to me that he can lead this team, otherwise I start RP over him. He won't do anything flashy but he'll do everything asked of him and will make the right plays. This team with its talent/shooting, doesn't need to be making forced plays like it did last year. If I'm Archie I put Green on a VERY short leash. As far as what you said about Hunter, you were spot on. He was checking Romeo and playing physical and looked like he belonged out there just as much as anyone else and is physically ready to handle anything thrown his way.

 

 

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My question would be what did you see from RP in HH that would make you think that he needs to start over Green and Durham. To me, I didn't see anything from him to make me think he is going to get minutes at the beginning of the year. 

[Stuhoo]

 

My takeaway from (admittedly only) a 15 minute hard played clock-running scrimmage?

Al Durham could end up as the starting point, and Race Thompson is likely the first big off the bench.

 

[Brass Cannon]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

My takeaway from (admittedly only) a 15 minute hard played clock-running scrimmage?

Al Durham could end up as the starting point, and Race Thompson is likely the first big off the bench.

 

If he can hit the perimeter shots regularly I think it has to be him tbh when looking at complete games. The starting lineup should primarily be constructed to make space for Romeo and Morgan and play defense. 

[ap2345]

I think the rotation will be a revolving door based on who’s playing well. This team has to much depth to say these are the 8 guys that are getting minutes and that’s it. There will be competition for playing time and that should lead to greater success at the end of the season.


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[Myrmidon76]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

My question would be what did you see from RP in HH that would make you think that he needs to start over Green and Durham. To me, I didn't see anything from him to make me think he is going to get minutes at the beginning of the year. 

Agreed. I was asked privately what I saw of Rob after my post the other day. My response was basically "He did fine, but I didn't see anything that put him over the other guards." I thought Rob did well with the group he was with, but he's not starter material and to be honest...its ok to let him watch the game, get some playing time, and grow. I will offer that I think Rob is definitely a player that can be used to make Green become better. Rob is definitely good enough to take Green's minutes if he starts playing hero ball..that's the way it should be.

I want the "best" players starting, but too often we discount experience in favor of production (be it offense or defense). As long as Green/Durham show they can run the offense effectively and defend with purpose, let Rob grow and become a force.

[NRT137]

Agreed. I was asked privately what I saw of Rob after my post the other day. My response was basically "He did fine, but I didn't see anything that put him over the other guards." I thought Rob did well with the group he was with, but he's not starter material and to be honest...its ok to let him watch the game, get some playing time, and grow. I will offer that I think Rob is definitely a player that can be used to make Green become better. Rob is definitely good enough to take Green's minutes if he starts playing hero ball..that's the way it should be.
I want the "best" players starting, but too often we discount experience in favor of production (be it offense or defense). As long as Green/Durham show they can run the offense effectively and defend with purpose, let Rob grow and become a force.

McRob started like 80% of the games last year, and he averaged like 4 points a game or something, but coach said he just “couldn’t keep him off the court.”


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[HoosierX]

2 hours ago, Myrmidon76 said:

Agreed. I was asked privately what I saw of Rob after my post the other day. My response was basically "He did fine, but I didn't see anything that put him over the other guards." I thought Rob did well with the group he was with, but he's not starter material and to be honest...its ok to let him watch the game, get some playing time, and grow. I will offer that I think Rob is definitely a player that can be used to make Green become better. Rob is definitely good enough to take Green's minutes if he starts playing hero ball..that's the way it should be.

I want the "best" players starting, but too often we discount experience in favor of production (be it offense or defense). As long as Green/Durham show they can run the offense effectively and defend with purpose, let Rob grow and become a force.

Why is he not starter material? What are the skills that he lacks? Or is it that he is solid but doesn't have any elite skills? Isn't overly athletic?  I'm genuinely curious as I have never seen him play.

I ask because I feel like it was practically gospel for months that Rob was underrated and would be a major contributor this year.  I'm also curious if Old Friend has seen him play at all since he's been at IU.

[Chris007]

1 hour ago, HoosierX said:

Why is he not starter material? What are the skills that he lacks? Or is it that he is solid but doesn't have any elite skills? Isn't overly athletic?  I'm genuinely curious as I have never seen him play.

I ask because I feel like it was practically gospel for months that Rob was underrated and would be a major contributor this year.  I'm also curious if Old Friend has seen him play at all since he's been at IU.

Because IMO he is not nearly ready for it. Do I think he will end up a 2-3 year starter yes but do I think he will start his freshman year over a returning junior starter no I don't. But of course, I have been wrong before. 

[Uspshoosier]

Juwan earned the gold jersey for the first week of practice

 

 

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