FINAL : #18 Notre Dame 77 - Indiana 80 | McRoberts & Morgan MVP's

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I wasn't following the game thread but assume I'm in the minority in thinking that was a foul...I'll go back and watch it again but I've seen it probably 4 times

I think it's one of those that can go either way it was a little ticky-tack for my liking but there is contact, however I hate seeing that call made with a second left to essentially decide a game.


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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

I think it's one of those that can go either way it was a little ticky-tack for my liking but there is contact, however I hate seeing that call made with a second left to essentially decide a game.


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Personally I thought it was a "play on". However, I disagree with officials "swallowing" their whistle the last few seconds to let the players decide. If something is going to be called .8 seconds into the game, it should be called .8 seconds left in a game. The players did decide when they committed a violation.

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

National perspective on yesterday's win.  Couple of sentences that caught my eye.

 Indiana had no business beating Notre Dame on Saturday. 

Miller's team was tough, opportunistic, level-headed and tactically coached throughout the second half and overtime.

That's scouting, that's coaching. That's Miller.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/indianas-dramatic-win-over-notre-dame-is-why-archie-miller-was-brought-to-bloomington/

[mdn82]

Personally I thought it was a "play on". However, I disagree with officials "swallowing" their whistle the last few seconds to let the players decide. If something is going to be called .8 seconds into the game, it should be called .8 seconds left in a game. The players did decide when they committed a violation.

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If that’s the case I would love consistency. That was a call you see made 1 out of 50. It is rarely called. Of course last shot down low there will be body contact on it. It is just never called. If they consistently called it then ok. I have no problem with the call. That’s a call that isn’t even consistently called during a game let alone last seconds. I don’t think it’s a call made in High School or the NBA under 3 seconds.


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[BtownBanner6]

If that’s the case I would love consistency. That was a call you see made 1 out of 50. It is rarely called. Of course last shot down low there will be body contact on it. It is just never called. If they consistently called it then ok. I have no problem with the call. That’s a call that isn’t even consistently called during a game let alone last seconds. I don’t think it’s a call made in High School or the NBA under 3 seconds.


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This is my point, it's a call that won't be consistently called throughout the game so you definitely don't make it at that point in the game.


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[Walking Boot of Doom]

If you watched the play before when Morgan went to the basket for a layup, he was “fouled” in the same fashion. ND player had his hands up, but put his body into him. No call.


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[Stuhoo]

If you watched the play before when Morgan went to the basket for a layup, he was “fouled” in the same fashion. ND player had his hands up, but put his body into him. No call.


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Different ref; the lead ref on one end of the court turns into the trail ref at the other end.



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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

If that’s the case I would love consistency. That was a call you see made 1 out of 50. It is rarely called. Of course last shot down low there will be body contact on it. It is just never called. If they consistently called it then ok. I have no problem with the call. That’s a call that isn’t even consistently called during a game let alone last seconds. I don’t think it’s a call made in High School or the NBA under 3 seconds.

 

 

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I'm not disagreeing about the call. It should never have been made .8 seconds into the game or .8 seconds left in the game. I also agree about consistency.

 

EDIT- I'm not specifically talking about yesterday's game. Many of those calls were atrocious. But rather in a general sense of the game. I also think their needs to be more enforcement from Conferences on constantly bad officiating.

 

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[cthomas]

I hate arguing the quality of officiating because just about every fan base thinks their team gets the short end. If you want to call it consistently bad, no argument from me. But, it's important to remember it's human beings making these calls in real time without the benefit of what we see on slow motion replays from multiple angles. And no, I don't want to see every call reviewed to get it right. 

[mdn82]

I hate arguing the quality of officiating because just about every fan base thinks their team gets the short end. If you want to call it consistently bad, no argument from me. But, it's important to remember it's human beings making these calls in real time without the benefit of what we see on slow motion replays from multiple angles. And no, I don't want to see every call reviewed to get it right. 

NBA refs are close to 100% accurate. To the point where if a simple call is missed it’s egregious. Plus it is consistency that I want. I don’t mind if that call is made if it is consistently made during the game or in general from one game to the next. I don’t feel that is complaining about an individual ref. That is a general want from the refs where they all make a call or don’t.


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[yogisballin]

I thought Bonzie was going to hit that shot it was so close.

I absolutely love the no neck comment


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[cthomas]

28 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

NBA refs are close to 100% accurate. To the point where if a simple call is missed it’s egregious. Plus it is consistency that I want. I don’t mind if that call is made if it is consistently made during the game or in general from one game to the next. I don’t feel that is complaining about an individual ref. That is a general want from the refs where they all make a call or don’t.


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I can't speak about NBA officiating because I don't watch often and I agree that consistency should be the goal. I just don't think what we have now will change until the NCAA decides it needs to. I haven't heard coaches pressing the issue and I think it needs to start with them. I know I wouldn't want to put on a stripped shirt and try to do that job.

[The Ola Depot]

I agree with the consistency point. Right now I have no clue what legal defense is in college basketball and I think if you asked multiple refs you would get multiple different answers. Can’t happen.


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[HoosierHoops1]

7 hours ago, hoosierpap said:

I wasn't following the game thread but assume I'm in the minority in thinking that was a foul...I'll go back and watch it again but I've seen it probably 4 times

Technically, it was a foul, but something that minor (1 arm not 100% straight up when you jump into it) is rarely called at that point in the game. Would have been a shame for any team to lose on that call.

[Uspshoosier]

Technically, it was a foul, but something that minor (1 arm not 100% straight up when you jump into it) is rarely called at that point in the game. Would have been a shame for any team to lose on that call.

Stony Brook lost today on a similar call with .6 secs left. Brutal way to lose


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[HoosierHoops1]

That's "turable." Games would be 4 hours long if every play with that amount of contact was called.

[DChoosier]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Technically, it was a foul, but something that minor (1 arm not 100% straight up when you jump into it) is rarely called at that point in the game. Would have been a shame for any team to lose on that call.

That foul call but was bad but I thought the one that  fouled out Hartman was even worse.

Farrell clearly lowered his shoulder and initiated the contact but the foul was called on Collin.

i do not often complain about the refs but they had a really, really bad day.  We were called when we got within three feet of no-neck but ND repeatedly bodied Morgan on his shots without being called.   Very inconsistent/poor.

[HoosierAloha]

It seems like the officials were fighting amongst themselves yesterday. There were multiple calls where one had it going one way and another the opposite. It's not a good look. Unfortunately, it happens too often in college basketball.

Karma is a mofo... Farrell flopped around like a fish out of water for plenty of calls throughout the game. He attempted to do it on his last 3pt attempt and ended up looking foolish. Colson was getting Jordan/LeBron treatment most of the game and then pulled that fake eye poke to get two freebies. He was the one that missed the boxout on McBob for the game winning rebound-assist on Morgan's dunk.

I'm glad IU pulled through. I'm confident in saying IU would have lost that game in recent years. They showed some mental toughness to fight back and win that game.


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[bigrod]

9 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'm glad IU pulled through. I'm confident in saying IU would have lost that game in recent years. They showed some mental toughness to fight back and win that game.
 

The more games they play, the more it seems CAM's personality and mentality is coming out on this team. I seem to remember him saying something to the effect that you want to be the team that no one wants to play, regardless of talent level. We may be seeing signs of this team heading in that direction.

[reconmkd]

Just watched the replay on Youtube during my slow day at work, and I can say I really dislike Notre Dame even more. Farrel and Colson cry and fake their way through ball games, I can't stand that crap!! Yes the game had some terrible calls, but there were numerous no calls and wtf calls on favoring both of them. But I enjoyed get a chance to watch it without the screams and cheering at my family get together. Really love the fight in these guys here lately and really think that the buy in is almost complete, this game may have tipped them over the edge. The Christmas season just keeps on giving to the Hoosier Nation, defense, lower turnover rates, hustle, somewhat better decision making, proper timeouts, successful inbound play, Rojo seeming to get out of his head.... Let' see what Santa has left for us!!!!!