Corruption in College Basketball

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We have 109 pages filled with back and forth about the FBI investigation. I have checked out a few of the UK Forums, and hardly a mention. There are going to be some real meltdowns when this all comes out. Start looking for Cal's name to start popping up with job openings elsewhere. Banners Down.

You gotta remember, it takes them a full day to come up with a complete sentence. And even then it's only legible to their own kind.

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[TheWatShot]

1 hour ago, Whojainjawja said:

We have 109 pages filled with back and forth about the FBI investigation. I have checked out a few of the UK Forums, and hardly a mention. There are going to be some real meltdowns when this all comes out. Start looking for Cal's name to start popping up with job openings elsewhere. Banners Down.

There have been a few mentions. Their fans are convinced Calipari would never recruit a player with eligibility concerns or anyone associated with money, and the only reason he doesn't get a player he offers is because he decides he doesn't want that recruit or another school cheats to get him.

[Baltimore Hoosier]

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

This is directly from the G-League website, and has always been the case...

"Players must be 18 years old to be eligible for the NBA G League Draft, as opposed to the NBA’s age minimum of 19."

http://gleague.nba.com/faq/

Ok... Great. But that doesn't change the fact that the NBA is finally starting to do something with the G-League. As evidence by the mere fact that it's now, in fact, called the G-League as of 2017. Adam Silver said himself in an interview that the 18 year old rule has always been around but has never been pushed by the NBA to high-end prospects.

I'm not the first person to talk about he G-League replacing college basketball. I just think that now may be the perfect opportunity for the NBA to actually set the wheels in motion to do that.

[Baltimore Hoosier]

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

Who said that wouldn't be part of the solution? Players should be able to go right to the NBA. And, players currently can go straight to the G-League, problem is the money and exposure isn't there so nobody wants to. 

Why is the NCAA so corrupt (and it is, not saying it isn't), but the NBA isn't? Again, these are NBA sanctioned agents that are selling high school players to college coaches. NBA sanctioned agents! The one and done is an NBA rule, not an NCAA rule. Maybe the NBA should have a problem with their sanctioned agents brokering high school kids to the highest bidder?

Yes, the NCAA is corrupt, but it's quite hypocritical for anyone in the NBA to be acting all high and mighty on the problems with AAU, high school and college basketball. 

Why would a high major prospect who in all likelihood end up in the NBA in 1-2 years want to go to college instead of being paid? I'd argue that the college game would suffer majorly from a talent level basis.

All it takes to become an agent in the NBA is a college degree (or equivalent experience), an application, passing a 50 question multiple choice test, and $1,350. So I'm not sure how closely these agents are actually monitored.

[Baltimore Hoosier]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

Are you saying they would still get their million+ dollar salary while playing in g league

I don't know about that.. Maybe some kind of minimum.. But remember, money from agents and endorsement deals would be legal.

[Brass Cannon]

5 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

I don't know about that.. Maybe some kind of minimum.. But remember, money from agents and endorsement deals would be legal.

Then the stars would be better off in college

[BGleas]

16 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Ok... Great. But that doesn't change the fact that the NBA is finally starting to do something with the G-League. As evidence by the mere fact that it's now, in fact, called the G-League as of 2017. Adam Silver said himself in an interview that the 18 year old rule has always been around but has never been pushed by the NBA to high-end prospects.

I'm not the first person to talk about he G-League replacing college basketball. I just think that now may be the perfect opportunity for the NBA to actually set the wheels in motion to do that.

I wasn't trying to change that fact, just stating that players have always been able to go right to the G/D-League after high school which most people aren't aware of. Not sure if it was this board or not, but I was one touting once the Gatorade deal was made that it was good to see the NBA finally start to try to turn the league into an actual viable option, and that real sponsorships and TV deal would could be what propels the league.  

 

[BGleas]

49 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Why would a high major prospect who in all likelihood end up in the NBA in 1-2 years want to go to college instead of being paid? I'd argue that the college game would suffer majorly from a talent level basis.

All it takes to become an agent in the NBA is a college degree (or equivalent experience), an application, passing a 50 question multiple choice test, and $1,350. So I'm not sure how closely these agents are actually monitored.

Isn't the entire point trying to get rid of the one and done rule so that players that have no desire or business being in college bypass it? Maybe the college game suffers, maybe it doesn't. I think seeing players like Oden, Durant, and so forth has definitely helped college basketball in terms of exposure and excitement, but are we trying to clean college basketball up, or not?

You're proving my point on the agent thing. How is the NCAA supposed to police their players and coaches taking money and the process of essentially selling players to colleges when the NBA/NBAPA are so extremely lax on how they approve, vet and monitor THEIR agents? The NBA/NBAPA is getting away clean in all of this, when they're a huge, huge part of the problem. 

[HoosierAloha]

Isn't the entire point trying to get rid of the one and done rule so that players that have no desire or business being in college bypass it? Maybe the college game suffers, maybe it doesn't. I think seeing players like Oden, Durant, and so forth has definitely helped college basketball in terms of exposure and excitement, but are we trying to clean college basketball up, or not?
You're proving my point on the agent thing. How is the NCAA supposed to police their players and coaches taking money and the process of essentially selling players to colleges when the NBA/NBAPA are so extremely lax on how they approve, vet and monitor THEIR agents? The NBA/NBAPA is getting away clean in all of this, when their a huge, huge part of the problem. 

That last sentence is why I don't think we'll see drastic changes from the NBA.



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[BGleas]

10 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

That last sentence is why I don't think we'll see drastic changes from the NBA.



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If I was the NCAA, Mark Emmert, and college coaches I would be going on a PR offensive against the NBA, especially after Stan Van Gundy's rant the other day. I'd be putting things in the media about how poorly the NBA is vetting prospective agents and then monitoring them. How NBA agents are preying on poor, uneducated families, etc., etc. What are college coaches supposed to do when agents are essentially selling recruits? Put those stories and the one and done rule thing front and center in the media. Force the NBA to come to the table. 

Just to be clear, I'm a big NBA fan as well as college basketball fan. This isn't me trying to defend the NCAA, it's me trying to get all of the parties involved at the table to fix this mess, and the NBA is a huge part of the equation. I also don't like all the NBA coaches and players acting high and mighty in regards to college basketball, when their organization is a huge part of the problem. But again, I love the NBA just like I love college bball.  

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I've wondered why the NCAA can't have rules that make one and done players less desirable.  Maybe count every scholarship for a full four years unless that player uses it at another school?

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

I've wondered why the NCAA can't have rules that make one and done players less desirable.  Maybe count every scholarship for a full four years unless that player uses it at another school?

Hmm interesting idea. Not sure how it would fly since it would result in fewer kids getting scholarships

[BGleas]

2 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

I've wondered why the NCAA can't have rules that make one and done players less desirable.  Maybe count every scholarship for a full four years unless that player uses it at another school?

I don't know that it really makes sense to punish a program for players leaving early. Now you're in a situation where those one and done type kids can't go to the NBA and the NCAA is essentially colluding to for schools not to recruit them. Then what happens with a kid like OG? Is IU basically punished because he exceeded expectations and was able to leave early? 

[HoosierAloha]

If I was the NCAA, Mark Emmert, and college coaches I would be going on a PR offensive against the NBA, especially after Stan Van Gundy's rant the other day. I'd be putting things in the media about how poorly the NBA is vetting prospective agents and then monitoring them. How NBA agents are preying on poor, uneducated families, etc., etc. What are college coaches supposed to do when agents are essentially selling recruits? Put those stories and the one and done rule thing front and center in the media. Force the NBA to come to the table. 
Just to be clear, I'm a big NBA fan as well as college basketball fan. This isn't me trying to defend the NCAA, it's me trying to get all of the parties involved at the table to fix this mess, and the NBA is a huge part of the equation. I also don't like all the NBA coaches and players acting high and mighty in regards to college basketball, when their organization is a huge part of the problem. But again, I love the NBA just like I love college bball.  

Completely agree, I'd also go after shoe companies. If college basketball is going to get "fixed" it would have to be done by willing participants at all levels. AAU (shoe companies) would have to be involved as well. I just don't see a reason why they would as they can claim "rogue employees" are the ones that are doing this.


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[HoosierHoops1]

1 hour ago, Iugradman said:

The Anthony Davis and Lyles recruitments stink to high heaven. There is a reason why Trey decomitted from IU.

How about Terrence Jones?

[Baltimore Hoosier]

Great article about what I've been talking about.. There are others that date back to before the whole FBI investigation thing. SB Nation ran one back in early 2017.

I just want to reiterate that I hate this. I wish this was a utopian world where slimy agents, boosters, and coaches didn't exist. But sadly, it may become the reality.

https://theundefeated.com/features/elite-high-school-hoops-prospects-should-stop-playing-the-ncaa-game-and-consider-the-g-league/

Looks like Lebron is on the G-League train too

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/27/lebron-james-ncaa-corrupt

[BGleas]

16 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Great article about what I've been talking about.. There are others that date back to before the whole FBI investigation thing. SB Nation ran one back in early 2017.

I just want to reiterate that I hate this. I wish this was a utopian world where slimy agents, boosters, and coaches didn't exist. But sadly, it may become the reality.

https://theundefeated.com/features/elite-high-school-hoops-prospects-should-stop-playing-the-ncaa-game-and-consider-the-g-league/

Looks like Lebron is on the G-League train too

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/27/lebron-james-ncaa-corrupt

I've been saying these same things. Since Gatorade sponsored the D/now G-League. That's the way to begin to clean some of this up. 

I guess it just rubs me the wrong way when you have guys like LeBron and Van Gundy out there ripping the NCAA and calling it corrupt, wen their organization and in some cases LeBron personally, are a big part of that corruption. It's just hugely hypocritical IMO, and I wish someone would call them on it. 

[RatpigHoosier]

There have been a few mentions. Their fans are convinced Calipari would never recruit a player with eligibility concerns or anyone associated with money, and the only reason he doesn't get a player he offers is because he decides he doesn't want that recruit or another school cheats to get him.

I've had a bunch of time to visit some of the fan sites of a couple of the schools named in the yahoo release, namely UK and KU. There is shockingly a dearth of information compared to on this site. It seems like the fan bases are deluded by thinking that Cal and Self couldn't be involved. Others are dismissive of the issues, saying things like "Well, it's possible (or probable) that the coaches knew nothing about any of this". Really?
I will say, however, that there are a few fans who seem to genuinely nervous about all this. One UK can even spoke the unmentionable...if Calipari is involved he needs to go (gasp!).
Makes we wonder if they are adopting the approach that 1) if we don't talk about it, it will go away...or 2) we are (insert school name here) and the NCAA needs us so we will come out smelling like roses and (insert other school name here) will be exposed as the cheaters and frauds they are.
Man, this topic hit the news cycle at the perfect time for me and my uptick in sitton' around free time!


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[JSHoosier]

55 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

How about Terrence Jones?

And Eric Bledsoe.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Recommend people check out twitter convo of Steve Risely and Kent Sterling and Brian Snow.

 

Worth it.

 

 

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