2018 General Recruiting Thread

[MoyeNeeded 3,073]

I actually agree with everyone on here because there is only one way to consistently be there in the end and that is excellent recruiting year in year out. Everyone has their preferred way of doing it snd I like the DUKE method. Now, as far as must gets...is Romeo a must get? Is Brooks a must get? Yes! Because the BPA is always must gets! Especially from your state when you are the state school. Except a handful of highly ranked in state kids, we have failed to recruit the best within our borders for far too long. What to show for it? Couple of B10 titles in 20 some yrs. Don't tell me 5* in state players aren't a must!

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[WayneFleekHoosier 49,772]

Zeller impacted the game much more significantly than his PPG indicates. Same as Soph and Junior Oladipo.

Zeller in particular made everyone better. Zeller also was our go to guy when we needed a bucket.


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[Hoosierfan2017 23,218]

Personally I don't think any players are "must get" recruits. We need a certain level of talent to compete at the level we want to compete at, but there is more than one combination of players that can get us there. Romeo or Brooks aren't must gets, players at that talent level are. 

[Stuhoo 85,194]

Some of you guys have a very different definition of "must" than me.

[Brass Cannon 25,169]

To me Romeo is a must get only if Dort, Garland and Brown are assumed to be off the table. Then he's a must by virtue of being the last elite player still being recruited. 

[mdn82 25,767]

Zeller impacted the game much more significantly than his PPG indicates. Same as Soph and Junior Oladipo.

Zeller in particular made everyone better. Zeller also was our go to guy when we needed a bucket.


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He did, but a big part of his freshman year was improved Juniors Watford, Hulls, Sophomores Oladipo, and Sheehey. If we can't recognize an upper class of a top ten recruiting improved finally and the rise of Oladipo and Sheehey also playing a role in this. An excellent top 20 player with a solid year was a perfect storm. That doesn't make him transcendent. I look at transcendent like Okafor and Anthony Davis as freshman. Defensively Davis changed the game. Okafor getting double doubles nightly as a Freshman is transcendent. Transcendent means to lead beyond normal. We went to the Sweet 16. That isn't transcendent. He was a very good Freshman. I wish we could get another him. But he couldn't lead a team as a Freshman to a title. That's what I am saying.


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[mdn82 25,767]

Some of you guys have a very different definition of "must" than me.

Exactly. If you can't physically function due to not getting a certain player, then that is a must get.


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[mdn82 25,767]

Zeller was woefully underutilized by Crean which limited his ability to help the team to his full potential. The 2012 and 2013 teams only went to the Sweet 16 because of the ineptitude of the coach. 
We had 22 turnovers against VCU and gave up a wide open three pointer to win the game. Thankfully, the guy missed. If we hadn't blown the Nebraska and Minnesota games and just beaten Wisconsin ONCE we could have been a 2-3 seed and avoided Kentucky. Syracuse was no juggernaut and the 2013 roster was more than good enough to win a title but our awkward coach had no idea how to attack a zone, which you can learn to do watching friggin' Youtube.

I don't disagree with this aspect of it.


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[Hoosier Guy 7,904]

I still believe Brooks and Watford are the most important recruits for 2019. But I would very much enjoy Brooks and Davis. An in-state haul like that would be awesome

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

I don't ever see us going to a Duke or puke type recruiting method.

It seems the 2018 class is setting up to have top 100 players as the core for future runs. This approach will work if we can consistently land top 50ish talent to start and a few elite talents for a year or two.

[8bucks 6,945]

I don't ever see us going to a Duke or puke type recruiting method.

It seems the 2018 class is setting up to have top 100 players as the core for future runs. This approach will work if we can consistently land top 50ish talent to start and a few elite talents for a year or two.

I think we should look at Arizona as something to expect here. If so, Sean has had 3 of 5 classes ranked in the top 3.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/platform/amp/basketball/2017/5/31/15716444/arizona-wildcats-basketball-recruiting-class-updates-marvin-bagley-brandon-williams-bol-sean-miller

[Hoosierfan2017 23,218]

25 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

Sean seems more open and friendly than Archie, plus Tucson sells itself and there is less competition on the West Coast for top prospects. It is UCLA, USC, and Arizona. Conversely, there are a ton of programs from surrounding states that dip their feet into Indiana, and given IU's poor coaching decisions over the last 15 years, our recruiting power in the state has waned.

What makes you say that?

[Hoosier Guy 7,904]

25 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

What makes you say that?

I had the same thought haha

[mdn82 25,767]

What makes you say that?

I thought Archie was a really nice and personable person when I met him. Straightforward, but not unfriendly or a Dick at all. Granted it was at Parkview Regional Medical Center at the Mirro Center right after he got hired for a speech on expectations and was quick. He went to recruit Brooks right after. He shook people's hands. He is exactly the type of personality people around this state will like imo.


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[Hoosier Guy 7,904]

8 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

I thought Archie was a really nice and personable person when I met him. Straightforward, but not unfriendly or a Dick at all. Granted it was at Parkview Regional Medical Center at the Mirro Center right after he got hired for a speech on expectations and was quick. He went to recruit Brooks right after. He shook people's hands. He is exactly the type of personality people around this state will like imo.


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Completely agree. Archie is gonna be good

[Dalton26 17,015]

After reading through the last couple pages I have to disagree with some of you. Zeller wasn’t the program changer that a lot of people choose to remember him as. Was he a good player? Yes. Program Changer? Not at all.


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[Hoosierfan2017 23,218]

24 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

I thought Archie was a really nice and personable person when I met him. Straightforward, but not unfriendly or a Dick at all. Granted it was at Parkview Regional Medical Center at the Mirro Center right after he got hired for a speech on expectations and was quick. He went to recruit Brooks right after. He shook people's hands. He is exactly the type of personality people around this state will like imo.


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Yeah Archie seems like he likes to just get down to business. He doesn't seem unfriendly at all, I just think he feels more comfortable when he's in the gym working than he does when he's yucking it up with big groups of people. He's a doer, not a talker. 

[8bucks 6,945]

After reading through the last couple pages I have to disagree with some of you. Zeller wasn’t the program changer that a lot of people choose to remember him as. Was he a good player? Yes. Program Changer? Not at all.


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We went from bottom feeder to one of the best teams in the country. He was the primary reason and yogi largely committed because of him.

Now one guy can't sustain success for a program after they leave but they can help a team quickly go from the bottom to the top. Once you get to the top it should be easier to stay near the top.

I think Zeller fits this. The fact we fell off after he left is why Crean was let go.

[mdn82 25,767]

We went from bottom feeder to one of the best teams in the country. He was the primary reason and yogi largely committed because of him.

Now one guy can't sustain success for a program after they leave but they can help a team quickly go from the bottom to the top. Once you get to the top it should be easier to stay near the top.

I think Zeller fits this. The fact we fell off after he left is why Crean was let go.

Oladipo, Hulls, Watford, and Sheehey were also large parts of those two teams Zeller was on. He was the best player as a Freshman. His Sophomore year? Oladipo by a country mile. Zeller was really good, but the convo was about him being a transcendent talent. A transcendent talent carries you further than the Sweet 16. Isiah Thomas was a transcendent talent. Nobody is saying he wasn't good. He also had the luxury of a top 10 class becoming Juniors and Vic as well as Sheehey becoming what they were as Sophomores and Juniors. He was a primary reason for Yogi. I would love to have him or someone with his talents coming to IU every year. I would also love for someone to have improved his game from a Frosh to a Soph as a coach.


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[8bucks 6,945]

Oladipo, Hulls, Watford, and Sheehey were also large parts of those two teams Zeller was on. He was the best player as a Freshman. His Sophomore year? Oladipo by a country mile. Zeller was really good, but the convo was about him being a transcendent talent. A transcendent talent carries you further than the Sweet 16. Isiah Thomas was a transcendent talent. Nobody is saying he wasn't good. He also had the luxury of a top 10 class becoming Juniors and Vic as well as Sheehey becoming what they were as Sophomores and Juniors. He was a primary reason for Yogi. I would love to have him or someone with his talents coming to IU every year. I would also love for someone to have improved his game from a Frosh to a Soph as a coach.

 

 

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I guess you could argue that Isaiah had the benefit of Witman, Landon, Ray and Kitchel. Isaiah joined a strong program with a HOF coach whereas Cody joined a much different team, could have gone anywhere, and along with Vic he led a team that could have won it all. Give them a HOF coach and maybe the results are similar.

 

Now I do agree that Isaiah was something special. He was my favorite player as a kid and one of the key reasons I became a fan. I definitely put him well ahead of Cody but I think when a guy who could go anywhere but comes to a team at the bottom of the standings and helps lead them to where he got us sounds like a transcendent player.