2018 General Recruiting Thread

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,276]

[MoyeNeeded 3,073]

Romeo is going to IU. I really do believe that

I'll keep pounding my chest on this one. What do I have to lose? Ain't getting paid for my opinion! If I'm wrong, oh well, I'm wrong and I'll take some ribbing from you guys on here. But if I'm right.....

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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,465]

I caught part of the interview. He really sounded like he wanted to be there. I especially liked the part about how these commits are low level 4* and acted like it was no big deal FCTC would have been on these guys as well!


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He probably has a point relative to UK or Duke but it's a different strategy, and I think it's going to pay off over the long run. If we can pluck a 5 star every year and then surround him with guys like we added yesterday and today it's a winning formula in my mind.

Can we get the Langford or Garland to go with them is the question. Heck, even Dort. 1 of these 3 would make for great class.



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[Brass Cannon 24,862]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

He probably has a point relative to UK or Duke but it's a different strategy, and I think it's going to pay off over the long run. If we can pluck a 5 star every year and then surround him with guys like we added yesterday and today it's a winning formula in my mind.

Can we get the Langford or Garland to go with them is the question. Heck, even Dort. 1 of these 3 would make for great class.



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Archie Miller is Herb Brooks basically, hes not necessarily looking for the best players.  Hes looking for the right players.  There will of course be some overlap.

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[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

27 minutes ago, MoyeNeeded said:

I'll keep pounding my chest on this one. What do I have to lose? Ain't getting paid for my opinion! If I'm wrong, oh well, I'm wrong and I'll take some ribbing from you guys on here. But if I'm right.....

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I've been wrong on here a lot of times haha. But who cares. I'm just saying what I feel. Romeo is gonna be a Hoosier. Mark it down

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,465]

2018 roster as of now.

Guards-1. Green 2. Durham. 3. CuJo

Guards/Wings- 1. Smith 2. Damezi 3. Hunter

4's- 1. Race 2. Juwan

Bigs- 1. DeRon. 2. Clifton

Way too early Projected starters

1. Green
2. CuJo
3. Smith
4. Juwan
5. DeRon.

Not sure if a current recruit would be a projected starter yet in my mind. Maybe Hunter over Smith or CuJo. Langford would slot at the 2. Garland vs a Junior Green could be interesting.

It's all interesting. We will learn a lot this year about our returning players. All except DeRon and Juwan have big question marks to me.


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[Stuhoo 81,202]

2018 roster as of now.

Guards-1. Green 2. Durham. 3. CuJo

Guards/Wings- 1. Smith 2. Damezi 3. Hunter

4's- 1. Race 2. Juwan

Bigs- 1. DeRon. 2. Clifton

Way too early Projected starters

1. Green
2. CuJo
3. Smith
4. Juwan
5. DeRon.

Not sure if a current recruit would be a projected starter yet in my mind. Maybe Hunter over Smith or CuJo. Langford would slot at the 2. Garland vs a Junior Green could be interesting.

It's all interesting. We will learn a lot this year about our returning players. All except DeRon and Juwan have big question marks to me.


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Way too early projected 2018 starters:
Al Durham
Romeo
JSmith
Juwan
DeRon

I tell ya; you guys are sleeping on Al. He won't just be popular, he'll be good.

[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Way too early projected 2018 starters:
Al Durham
Romeo
JSmith
Juwan
DeRon

I tell ya; you guys are sleeping on Al. He won't just be popular, he'll be good.

 

I think we're gonna see these players perform beyond expectations because they believe in Archie. Belief and respect in a coach go a long way

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,465]

It's hard for me to see Al being better than Green, Stuhoo. But I'm an unabashed Green fan. I can see Al surpassing CuJo though if CuJo doesn't improve this offseason.

That being said, I can see CuJo being REALLY good if he learns how to use his speed and gets a more consistent shot.


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[Stuhoo 81,202]

11 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It's hard for me to see Al being better than Green, Stuhoo. But I'm an unabashed Green fan. I can see Al surpassing CuJo though if CuJo doesn't improve this offseason.

That being said, I can see CuJo being REALLY good if he learns how to use his speed and gets a more consistent shot.


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I dunno; I loved the way Green played last year, but something nags at me that he's limited in his potential.

His skill set is really that of a two guard; he has very little ability to break defenders down on the bounce, and while he has good court vision and a natural feel for the game, a short armed point who can't get past people is gonna turn it over a lot. He's not a bad shooter, but he's not a great shooter either. He can defend a point, but he's too short to defend a big guard or a wing. I see him as a junior or senior seventh or eighth man on a very good team. I don't see him as a 25-30 minute per game starter. Ever.

Durham? Also reportedly has a great feel for the game, and having watched him in a real game (albeit a sloppy one) at the Derby Classic I can tell you that he has a lot of wiggle and can get past people to pass or finish. And he's 6'4". Much more potential as a starting point some day.

 

 

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Here is the thing that Jerry Meyer doesn't get, he is talking about a new coach who lost 3 guys to the NBA draft and is taking over a program who has lost it's luster. Archie knows besides maybe getting lucky(Dort) or an in state kid(Langford) or ties to it(Garland) this first class was more about building a foundation not grab a bunch of one and dones. Say he got 5 one and dones next year he would replace 9 players the following year lol. Archie isn't gonna do that until he has this program built like he wants or ever. What these kids do is build on what we have and make it to where we can get the high 4 stars or 5 star kids that when they leave we will be okay. I am perfectly happy with 3 60-90 kids each year with the occasional 5 star. You know who else does that? Nova! Up until the last 2 years so did Michigan State and U of L as well as Syracuse, Virgina, Wisconsin & even UNC to an extent. Zona, Duke, KU & UK are the ONLY schools who constantly get more than 1 5 star. Yes it leads to success, but also it can be done the other way.

Meyer just wants to ran on our parade and honestly I stopped listening halfway through because you could tell where he was going with it.

I truly believe along with Archie we have one of the best staffs in the country and for that alone I will continue to have high hopes until proven otherwise. The '19 class has been the big name class to all of us since Archie got the job, so like I said keep getting the role players and guys who have potential to be more Archie and sprinkle in the big names when you need to.

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[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

Oh yeah btw I believe CuJo will be our best guard not named RoJo this year and I think Green ends up being looked at as our PG for the future this year, so I am not as high on a need for guards or big names as others.

I believe we get 2 of Langford, Garland, Dort, Duke or Phinisee and that will be perfect. I also believe we end up with a transfer coming in. Grad or sit one. Just a feeling.

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[Brass Cannon 24,862]

1 hour ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

Oh yeah btw I believe CuJo will be our best guard not named RoJo this year and I think Green ends up being looked at as our PG for the future this year, so I am not as high on a need for guards or big names as others.

I believe we get 2 of Langford, Garland, Dort, Duke or Phinisee and that will be perfect. I also believe we end up with a transfer coming in. Grad or sit one. Just a feeling.

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I also expect to see Cujo take a big leap. 

[Brass Cannon 24,862]

Judging by our recruitment it looks like Archie wants a stable of 5-6 solid contributors, 2-3 guys developing into contributors then some studs ugh I love this recruiting strategy so much. 

Especially makes sense considering Archie says it takes years to really learn his D. 

I hope we make a habit of using red shirts like we are doing with Race also. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,914]

5 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

 

I hope we make a habit of using red shirts like we are doing with Race also. 

I'm certainly not opposed to using them but it takes a unique kid in today's era to buy into the fact he's better off spending another year in developing his game before actually jumping into D1 competition.  The kids we want have been the stars on their high school team and most likely one of the stars on their AAU team.  They've been told for years "man, you're really good" and they start thinking about their 10-year career in the NBA, being a one and done, etc.  I think Thompson's willingness to redshirt makes him extra special in my mind.  I'm not trying to paint every kid we're trying to recruit with that same paintbrush, but I do think far too many of today's AAU players think they're too good to redshirt and would immediately turn off the recruiting pitch from a coach who suggested that's what they should consider doing.    

[HoosierCoop 3,927]

I love the buzz that is happening now.

Starting to get some pieces to fall.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

So that was a big day and a half or so, huh?

Not only for the actual team but for Archie, recruiting perception, and '18 and '19 recruiting. And credit to staff, as well. 

Immediate results...Ostrom and Schilling seem to be having the biggest impact so far- as expected. Ostrom on Race, and Hunter- to some degree- though seems it was Archie there. Schilling/Flint/Archie on Damezi...Schilling also had Henry pretty close and is right there w Phinisee. 

IU currently has 3 grants for next year still available. Things could get a little messy if you bring 3 more in because that's essentially a 6 man class with Race being a freshman.If that 3rd is a Romeo, well- that's different. He counts against you for one year and you're back to a balanceable team.  But, IU is in a great spot to be picky. The immediate need is PG. I see no way IU says no to Phinisee even if pursuing higher touted prospects. It's simply too risky and Phinisee isn't scaring off the likes of Garland, Duke, etc. We talked about this earlier so no need to get into it.

Other need? A big? Swing for the fences on guys like Moses Brown. or wait till '19 where you're in w some instant impacts.

But looking forward, and back to praise of the staff, Schilling (somewhat expectedly) has IU back in it and maybe leading with Keion Brooks. Archie and Schilling back in it with RL. The program has gotten the jolt it needed with this staff but there is still work to be done. IU is just in a great place right now. And looking forward with Ostrom...Minnesota is a talent hotbed the last few years..I'm not joking. Ostrom has IU in it till the end with Hurt in '19 and has already produced as stated above.

'19's class appears to be on the smaller size. Add 3 (in '18) and no attrition you have 1 grant (Morgans). Add 2 (in '18) or the Romeo scenario and no attrition you have 2 (in '18) and so on and so forth. Though attrition is bound to happen, it's looking like 2-3. Stabilizing. Focus the approach, narrow in- Hurt, Brooks, Wiseman, Watford, Stewart.

This approach is much more effective, in my very humble opinion. But cannot overstate what the last two days meant for this staff, Archie Miller, and IU.