Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[mdn82]

Again.. I didn't take it personally. Until your last post I never saw you state you wanted a big guy. Truly have no clue where you're coming with any of this. You can pretend I'm upset when I'm not, I guess. 

Then why did you keep responding to my requests for a big with some variation of “we don’t need a big, we need guards. Did you watch our guard play?” I am guessing you had an inking I wanted a guard for the many responses that stated that and proceeded to tell me how many times our guards turned the ball over and how bad their shot was. You may want to go back and read some of what started our discussion if memory is telling you that.


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[mdn82]

Judging by Archie's recruitment strategy he's rather satisfied with out big rotation next year. 
Definitely looks to be trying to improve perimeter shooting. 
Im gonna have faith and I'm gonna expect next year to be a little rocky regardless of getting Romeo or not. 

Oh absolutely. He needs to improve our perimeter play. It was bad. Romeo is priority 1a, 1b, and 1c. But we were discussing the possibilities of transfers and where we would go beyond 1 or 2 schollies after Romeo. After Romeo I would like something on the interior. We have plenty of young developmental interior players. A grad transfer would be awesome. Btown wanted multiple guards and was as adamant as he usually is about things. Aloha and I disagreed with him and apparently he doesn’t remember any of the discussions I had with him. So there is that. But yeah. Romeo first and then see where we are with transfers. If we don’t get Romeo we still need a guard for sure.


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[Brass Cannon]

9 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Oh absolutely. He needs to improve our perimeter play. It was bad. Romeo is priority 1a, 1b, and 1c. But we were discussing the possibilities of transfers and where we would go beyond 1 or 2 schollies after Romeo. After Romeo I would like something on the interior. We have plenty of young developmental interior players. A grad transfer would be awesome. Btown wanted multiple guards and was as adamant as he usually is about things. Aloha and I disagreed with him and apparently he doesn’t remember any of the discussions I had with him. So there is that. But yeah. Romeo first and then see where we are with transfers. If we don’t get Romeo we still need a guard for sure.


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Yeah I am just saying judging by his recruiting Archie disagrees with you. 

[Chris007]

14 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Oh absolutely. He needs to improve our perimeter play. It was bad. Romeo is priority 1a, 1b, and 1c. But we were discussing the possibilities of transfers and where we would go beyond 1 or 2 schollies after Romeo. After Romeo I would like something on the interior. We have plenty of young developmental interior players. A grad transfer would be awesome. Btown wanted multiple guards and was as adamant as he usually is about things. Aloha and I disagreed with him and apparently he doesn’t remember any of the discussions I had with him. So there is that. But yeah. Romeo first and then see where we are with transfers. If we don’t get Romeo we still need a guard for sure.


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Well I will tell you that Romeo is option 1, Ryan Taylor is option 2, another guard grad transfer is option 3, a juco guard is option 4, then a big man grad transfer is next. Now we might use two scholarships on guards & if another one opens up then get a big guy. Or we might go Romeo & big. But Ryan Taylor is someone they want bad

[mamasa]

46 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Well I will tell you that Romeo is option 1, Ryan Taylor is option 2, another guard grad transfer is option 3, a juco guard is option 4, then a big man grad transfer is next. Now we might use two scholarships on guards & if another one opens up then get a big guy. Or we might go Romeo & big. But Ryan Taylor is someone they want bad

Is anyone getting a read on Taylor's interest (to anywhere)?

[Chris007]

3 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Is anyone getting a read on Taylor's interest (to anywhere)?

Not that I know of but we have very high interest

[yogisballin]

Can we go after Omer Yurtseven?


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

3 minutes ago, yogisballin said:

Can we go after Omer Yurtseven?


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Is he a confirmed grad transfer and thus immediately eligible?  I've seen the news of his leaving NC St., but haven't seen anything about remaining eligibility.  

[SlamaJamaSisley]

8 minutes ago, yogisballin said:

Can we go after Omer Yurtseven?


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I don't know this guy from Adam, but I read that he went through the NBA Draft combine after last season and was projected as a late first or early second round pick.  Surely, his stock is up from last year to where he is a lock first rounder, right?  If so, not sure why he wouldn't go pro.

[pumpfake]

13 minutes ago, yogisballin said:

Can we go after Omer Yurtseven?


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Wow.  That name is so similar to one of my professors back in the late 70's  http://newscenter.iupui.edu/index.php?id=3850

[BGleas]

In general, I'm far more concerned with skill, length and athleticism than I am with height. As far as the current roster, while the inexperience of our interior guys worries me, but in terms of sheer numbers of guys and their size I think we're fine. I'm far more concerned with our backcourt and wing positions. 

While he does give up some size defensively, Morgan offensively creates so many mismatches as a 5, and you mitigate any size deficiency he has by surrounding him with stretch 4's and wings players that are in the 6'5" - 6'8" range with skill, athleticism and length. It's perfectly fine to have a 6'8" center if your stretch 4 is 6'7" - 6'8"ish and your two wings are between 6'5" - 6'7".

The problem with IU recently is that we've been playing 3 guards along with undersized 5's. When your wings are 6'2" combo guards, then yes you need more size on the interior. 

But in this day and age it's about pace and space, and you need multi-skilled guys that can handle, shoot, and create plays all over the court. A guy like Davis for example really clogs things up offensively and then also hurts you defensively because he can't recover from the high ball screen quick enough and he can't switch onto perimeter players. 

As far as the two open scholly's go, I'm way more concerned with filling out our guard/wing spots than interior spots. I think Race will be good, so we're pretty covered with Morgan, Smith and Race, then you hope one of Forrester and Moore can contribute, and finally you hope Davis can give some minutes as the season moves on. 

But, we need shooting, skill and athleticism on the perimeter in a MAJOR way, and I worry counting on Anderson and Hunter. I'd love to see Archie lock up Langford and Taylor. That gives us two long, athletic, shot/play makers on the perimeter, which is what we need. 

[Stuhoo]

Kalob Ledoux from McNeese St apparently getting a look. 15.1 as a three point shooting sophomore; not sure if he’d be a one year sit.



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[BH33]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Kalob Ledoux from McNeese St apparently getting a look. 15.1 as a three point shooting sophomore; not sure if he’d be a one year sit.



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He's only spent two years in college, so it looks like he'd have to sit.

Season Averages
SEASON	TEAM	MIN	FGM-FGA	FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
2017-18	MCNS	30.0	5.4-12.9	.421	2.3-6.0	.374	1.8-2.3	.803	4.3	1.0	0.1	0.5	2.4	2.4	15.0
2016-17	MCNS	24.5	4.2-9.3	.454	1.7-4.5	.385	1.7-2.3	.758	2.8	1.1	0.0	0.4	1.9	2.2	11.9

[ebridges24]

In general, I'm far more concerned with skill, length and athleticism than I am with height. As far as the current roster, while the inexperience of our interior guys worries me, but in terms of sheer numbers of guys and their size I think we're fine. I'm far more concerned with our backcourt and wing positions. 
While he does give up some size defensively, Morgan offensively creates so many mismatches as a 5, and you mitigate any size deficiency he has by surrounding him with stretch 4's and wings players that are in the 6'5" - 6'8" range with skill, athleticism and length. It's perfectly fine to have a 6'8" center if your stretch 4 is 6'7" - 6'8"ish and your two wings are between 6'5" - 6'7".
The problem with IU recently is that we've been playing 3 guards along with undersized 5's. When your wings are 6'2" combo guards, then yes you need more size on the interior. 
But in this day and age it's about pace and space, and you need multi-skilled guys that can handle, shoot, and create plays all over the court. A guy like Davis for example really clogs things up offensively and then also hurts you defensively because he can't recover from the high ball screen quick enough and he can't switch onto perimeter players. 
As far as the two open scholly's go, I'm way more concerned with filling out our guard/wing spots than interior spots. I think Race will be good, so we're pretty covered with Morgan, Smith and Race, then you hope one of Forrester and Moore can contribute, and finally you hope Davis can give some minutes as the season moves on. 
But, we need shooting, skill and athleticism on the perimeter in a MAJOR way, and I worry counting on Anderson and Hunter. I'd love to see Archie lock up Langford and Taylor. That gives us two long, athletic, shot/play makers on the perimeter, which is what we need. 

You can't count on Anderson unless he makes unbelievable strides.

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[mdn82]

In general, I'm far more concerned with skill, length and athleticism than I am with height. As far as the current roster, while the inexperience of our interior guys worries me, but in terms of sheer numbers of guys and their size I think we're fine. I'm far more concerned with our backcourt and wing positions. 
While he does give up some size defensively, Morgan offensively creates so many mismatches as a 5, and you mitigate any size deficiency he has by surrounding him with stretch 4's and wings players that are in the 6'5" - 6'8" range with skill, athleticism and length. It's perfectly fine to have a 6'8" center if your stretch 4 is 6'7" - 6'8"ish and your two wings are between 6'5" - 6'7".
The problem with IU recently is that we've been playing 3 guards along with undersized 5's. When your wings are 6'2" combo guards, then yes you need more size on the interior. 
But in this day and age it's about pace and space, and you need multi-skilled guys that can handle, shoot, and create plays all over the court. A guy like Davis for example really clogs things up offensively and then also hurts you defensively because he can't recover from the high ball screen quick enough and he can't switch onto perimeter players. 
As far as the two open scholly's go, I'm way more concerned with filling out our guard/wing spots than interior spots. I think Race will be good, so we're pretty covered with Morgan, Smith and Race, then you hope one of Forrester and Moore can contribute, and finally you hope Davis can give some minutes as the season moves on. 
But, we need shooting, skill and athleticism on the perimeter in a MAJOR way, and I worry counting on Anderson and Hunter. I'd love to see Archie lock up Langford and Taylor. That gives us two long, athletic, shot/play makers on the perimeter, which is what we need. 

Which would undoubtedly be awesome if we got those two. I hope we do then go after a big.


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[BGleas]

 

Just now, mdn82 said:

Which would undoubtedly be awesome if we got those two. I hope we do then go after a big.


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Yeah, if a 3rd scholly opens up. If not, then I think we're ok with what we have after getting two wing/perimeter scorers. 

[mdn82]

Yeah I am just saying judging by his recruiting Archie disagrees with you. 

I don’t want us recruiting another freshman big. That isn’t what I said at all. We need a guard/wing/scorer first and foremost which I also said. Once we get that player, let’s see where we are at and if he is still scoping the wings like he has been. I am not entirely sure they are 100% on if anybody is transferring or not. If nobody is it is a guard all day. I never argued against that. Archie hasn’t been one to look 5 steps ahead. If he feels comfortable with what he has inside I will disagree with that, but it isn’t my team.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

47 minutes ago, BH33 said:

He's only spent two years in college, so it looks like he'd have to sit.

Season Averages
SEASON	TEAM	MIN	FGM-FGA	FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
2017-18	MCNS	30.0	5.4-12.9	.421	2.3-6.0	.374	1.8-2.3	.803	4.3	1.0	0.1	0.5	2.4	2.4	15.0
2016-17	MCNS	24.5	4.2-9.3	.454	1.7-4.5	.385	1.7-2.3	.758	2.8	1.1	0.0	0.4	1.9	2.2	11.9

Am I missing something because other than his FT% I don't see anything that just screams Candystripes.  His numbers aren't any better than RoJo's.   For this past season RoJo was 43% FG's and 37% on 3's and there was a lot of handwringing this past season over Johnson's shooting.  Now compared to Durham, Green and Newkirk's shooting, Ledoux looks like a 5-star talent.

[HoosierAloha]

While Golden State is the poster team for the "small ball" movement they still play with a 5. Pachula (sp?) and McGee (sp?) or whoever they have now.  This is how I would like Archie to build IU. 

I believe Forrester will play that role, one day, but he won't be there yet.  Morgan can take an opponents 4 on the block and score over him with 3 shooters spread and the 5 on the opposite block.  If the opponents 5 goes to double our 5 slashes to the basket for a layup.  If they double from the wing or guard spot it leaves a shooter open.  Getting Romeo or the UE guard would give us another shooter.  I would like to see a grad transfer "Forrester" or for Moore/Forrester be ready to play that role.  If Davis is healthy enough he could be our banger for 20 mpg against teams with a true 5. 

I just don't see Morgan lasting a full season as the 5 playing 30 mpg.  He wore down this season splitting 30 mpg between the 4/5.  I want Thompson developing behind Morgan and being ready to take over next season as the starting 4.  Smith's game is of a college 4 but showed a good enough stroke to develop into a wing player with time.  If Moore or Forrester develop enough I won't be concerned because both of them could have the ability to help defend the rim.  My concerns are Morgan picking up fouls against bigger 5s and wearing down over the course of an entire season.

First and foremost we need to shore up the guard spot and I believe Romeo or the UE guard will help with that.  If we can get both and a grad transfer big that would be the best outcome.  If not I'd like to see a guard and a grad transfer big.

[yogisballin]

Is he a confirmed grad transfer and thus immediately eligible?  I've seen the news of his leaving NC St., but haven't seen anything about remaining eligibility.  

I know nothing other than(from what I’ve read) he is done with NC State. Now whether he has improved his stock enuff to declare, idk. Just simply mentioned his name and know basically nothing about him


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