TOM CREAN FIRED

[GloryDays 5,920]

Let me just be clear, I hate my gut.  But it is telling me after all we've seen from Glass that Crean is back next yr.  As far as a new coach, I can definitely see Glass hiring what everyone thinks is a "2nd tier" candidate.   I just have no faith he wants a banner like "we" do.  I'm gonna go eat rat poison now.

Thanks,I just lost my breakfast!

[JSHoosier 20,232]

27 minutes ago, IUHAHN82 said:

Let me just be clear, I hate my gut.  But it is telling me after all we've seen from Glass that Crean is back next yr.  As far as a new coach, I can definitely see Glass hiring what everyone thinks is a "2nd tier" candidate.   I just have no faith he wants a banner like "we" do.  I'm gonna go eat rat poison now.

If Crean is back then we need a new AD along with a new coach.  There is no defending bringing him back.

Glass's job is to do what's best for the program, that means not bringing Crean back.

[HooHooHoo22 3,902]

If Crean is back then we need a new AD along with a new coach.  There is no defending bringing him back.

Glass's job is to do what's best for the program, that means not bringing Crean back.

I agree, if glass brings Crean back this year, I'll be on the fire Fred Glass train


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1 hour ago, smpenny2009 said:

From 96.9 Mike Bianchi on 96.9am this morning. FWIW "I know people who know Billy Donovan and he is not happy right now in OKC." Billy Donovan thought the OKC Job with Durant was a once in a lifetime opportunity but now it is just another job. Bianchi thinks that Donovan will end up back in the NCAA in "a year or two". However, Bianchi, who originally thought it would be at IU, does not think that Tom Crean will get fired after this year; thus Donovan will not end up here. He finished up by reiterating that he thinks there is a "real opportunity" that Donovan ends up in the NCAA next year. 

Sounded like the chances of Donovan being at IU next year being "very good" was really more of a belief that Donovan will end up in the NCAA somewhere in a year or two but not necessarily at IU. Just passing along what he said. 

We are one of a handful of schools that could afford him. With Duke opening up soon and U.K. Opening as soon as an NBA owner is dumb enough to give cal managerial control we need to jump on any chance to land Billy D

[Trish 11,566]

There's a side of me that think Glass has already told Crean he's gone and then there's another side of me thinking Crean will be back. There's no question Crean is on the hot seat, right now it's about finding a BETTER coach that is willing to come to Indiana. 

[devkitt 48]

Haven't seen anyone post this but pretty much sums up my feelings.

Crean's recruiting prowess peaked in 2013. It's been pretty lackluster ever since. Lost his ability to bring in the right guys.

http://kentsterling.com/2017/02/18/indiana-basketball-is-tom-crean-a-great-recruiter-a-look-at-every-class-tells-the-tale-iubb/

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9 minutes ago, devkitt said:

Haven't seen anyone post this but pretty much sums up my feelings.

Crean's recruiting prowess peaked in 2013. It's been pretty lackluster ever since. Lost his ability to bring in the right guys.

http://kentsterling.com/2017/02/18/indiana-basketball-is-tom-crean-a-great-recruiter-a-look-at-every-class-tells-the-tale-iubb/

The 'great recruiter' schtick really annoys me. Great recruiting isn't just getting highly ranked kids (which hasn't really happened recently). It's also being able to maintain a program and bring in guys to fill your needs. Crean throws out offers to any kid that shows 'potential' without thinking about how they fit with his team. I never feel good when we're in a kid's top 3, top 5, whatever, because I don't trust Crean being able to go head to head with top coaches and seal the deal.  

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23 minutes ago, devkitt said:

Haven't seen anyone post this but pretty much sums up my feelings.

Crean's recruiting prowess peaked in 2013. It's been pretty lackluster ever since. Lost his ability to bring in the right guys.

http://kentsterling.com/2017/02/18/indiana-basketball-is-tom-crean-a-great-recruiter-a-look-at-every-class-tells-the-tale-iubb/

Thanks for the link.  It's good to see someone has documented the recruiting history of CTC with data and in an unbiased way.

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4 hours ago, jaxalum said:

Archies dream job is OSU, he's worked there, and Matta is not doing to well on the court and physically(back).  We have been hearing for years that Archie has been holding out for OSU, and its essentially a done deal when Matta decides to resign.  Now, can he say no to a job offer from a team in the same conference, but that's a blue blood with infinite amounts of history, a true destination job.  

 

While it may be a destination job, I wouldn't call it a blueblood with infinite amounts of history. You may be getting them confused with us on those points.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

The 'great recruiter' schtick really annoys me. Great recruiting isn't just getting highly ranked kids (which hasn't really happened recently). It's also being able to maintain a program and bring in guys to fill your needs. Crean throws out offers to any kid that shows 'potential' without thinking about how they fit with his team. I never feel good when we're in a kid's top 3, top 5, whatever, because I don't trust Crean being able to go head to head with top coaches and seal the deal.  

This.

His teams often lack something; this year a pg, in the past a true post players, and with his best team at IU he lacked height in the backcourt.

He's an above average recruiter that struggles to build a team. He's had more opportunities to have higher ranked classes because of the transfer rate from IU. He hasn't recruited nor developed his bench to overcome injuries. He's recruited some players with questionable character.

He's been given way more credit as a recruiter than he deserves.

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8 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

This.

His teams often lack something; this year a pg, in the past a true post players, and with his best team at IU he lacked height in the backcourt.

He's an above average recruiter that struggles to build a team. He's had more opportunities to have higher ranked classes because of the transfer rate from IU. He hasn't recruited nor developed his bench to overcome injuries. He's recruited some players with questionable character.

He's been given way more credit as a recruiter than he deserves.

It seems like he landed Zeller and Yogi and the 'great recuriter' label has stuck ever since, even though the facts don't support it. He's able to get some talent here, I'll give him that, but it almost never fits well together. His best two classes in 2012 and 2013 were disasters both on and off the court outside of 2-3 guys. To be an elite team in college basketball today you usually need a combination of 1-and-done talent and upperclassmen leadership.. We have neither. 

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7 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

This.

His teams often lack something; this year a pg, in the past a true post players, and with his best team at IU he lacked height in the backcourt.

He's an above average recruiter that struggles to build a team. He's had more opportunities to have higher ranked classes because of the transfer rate from IU. He hasn't recruited nor developed his bench to overcome injuries. He's recruited some players with questionable character.

He's been given way more credit as a recruiter than he deserves.

I've thought for a while he's been overrated as a recruiter.  There is more to recruiting than getting good (or potentially good) players to sign, and he's been pretty underwhelming at the other parts.

[Adillac 953]

I love it when people use data. It all depends on your expectations. If you're an Iowa fan, then Crean is recruiting very well. If you're an IU fan, not so much. 

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24 minutes ago, schoosier said:

While it may be a destination job, I wouldn't call it a blueblood with infinite amounts of history. You may be getting them confused with us on those points.

 

I think he was referencing us, not OSU, for what it's worth. Saying would he be able to say no to the traditional  blue blood (us) over OSU.

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This.

His teams often lack something; this year a pg, in the past a true post players, and with his best team at IU he lacked height in the backcourt.

He's an above average recruiter that struggles to build a team. He's had more opportunities to have higher ranked classes because of the transfer rate from IU. He hasn't recruited nor developed his bench to overcome injuries. He's recruited some players with questionable character.

He's been given way more credit as a recruiter than he deserves.

I will say this most teams have flaws and I have noticed when we have something its usually something else were missing. A great coach finds his strengths and builds his team around it to avoid the weak spots from being made vulnerable. Crean can't so that. If we miss a pg than he puts the ball in 8 kids hands and how does that help? It gives no one on our team a true chance to learn to be a point. We miss a post player he throws an athletic kid down there and hopes and prays but it takes away that kids true abilities. Like Troy. He tries way to hard and forgets how to make the game simple. The ones that can well they usually have continued success. Crean looks for his players on the recruiting trail not what the team needs. He has gotten a tad better but it has hurt us plenty of years. He used OG so bad it annoys me. JBJ finally got some screens the other night and he made easier shots than he has all year. He puts Green in too much with other ball handlers and makes him invisible on offense. When he is in he needs the ball to make a difference on the game. TB just does whatever he wants and I don't think Crean can do much about that but he is our our only big beside DD so he kinda has no choice but DD should see more minutes to limit TB being a guard at times. This season is pretty much over so to late to fix it now, but Crean's coaching is affected by luck a lot too and he just hasnt had it this year. I wouldnt be surprised if we won the B1G tourney just cause it seems so Crean to me.

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35 minutes ago, devkitt said:

Haven't seen anyone post this but pretty much sums up my feelings.

Crean's recruiting prowess peaked in 2013. It's been pretty lackluster ever since. Lost his ability to bring in the right guys.

http://kentsterling.com/2017/02/18/indiana-basketball-is-tom-crean-a-great-recruiter-a-look-at-every-class-tells-the-tale-iubb/

I appreciate you bringing this which refutes the "great recruiter" tag Crean always gets labeled. Now we're down to his kids graduate, so it's not all against him at this point.

[Stuhoo 80,877]

The recruiting has been plenty talented, has included numerous five stars and McD AAs, and has included numerous diamonds in the rough.

It's the results with those recruits that have been unsatisfactory. 

I remember it often being said about the prime of the RMK era that he could beat you with his players, and if he had your players and you had his, he would've beat you then too. That's what we are shooting for.

 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

I will say this most teams have flaws and I have noticed when we have something its usually something else were missing. A great coach finds his strengths and builds his team around it to avoid the weak spots from being made vulnerable. Crean can't so that. If we miss a pg than he puts the ball in 8 kids hands and how does that help? It gives no one on our team a true chance to learn to be a point. We miss a post player he throws an athletic kid down there and hopes and prays but it takes away that kids true abilities. Like Troy. He tries way to hard and forgets how to make the game simple. The ones that can well they usually have continued success. Crean looks for his players on the recruiting trail not what the team needs. He has gotten a tad better but it has hurt us plenty of years. He used OG so bad it annoys me. JBJ finally got some screens the other night and he made easier shots than he has all year. He puts Green in too much with other ball handlers and makes him invisible on offense. When he is in he needs the ball to make a difference on the game. TB just does whatever he wants and I don't think Crean can do much about that but he is our our only big beside DD so he kinda has no choice but DD should see more minutes to limit TB being a guard at times. This season is pretty much over so to late to fix it now, but Crean's coaching is affected by luck a lot too and he just hasnt had it this year. I wouldnt be surprised if we won the B1G tourney just cause it seems so Crean to me.

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Dakich had a great line about Troy. He makes the game complicated. Crean coaches in the same manner. The point of the game is to stop the other team from scoring while scoring. He's over complicated things so much he's confused his own team. That's not some basketball genius that others can't keep up with that's a bad leader and coach.

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Greg Doyel on local radio down here in Jeffersonville. Hes at least entertaining the possibility of Crean losing his job.

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Never thought id see the day. However you will never ever see kravitz get to that point. He thinks crean is the greatest thing since sliced bread

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[Adillac 953]

In today's game I think you need significant recruiting to be at the big boy table. If 5 schools are getting the lionshare of the top 20 kids each and every year, then it's always going to be those schools as the 1-3 seeds in the tournament, etc...it is not a coincidence that the same schools with the top 3 seeds are the schools with most of the top 20 kids. I think coaching is very important, but if Crean could have recruited better, he would have had a yogi ferrell for this year's team, and he would have had shooters for the 2013-2014 team. When does UNC, Kansas, UK, Duke, Arizona, have just a staggering weakness on their roster...they usually don't.