TOM CREAN FIRED

[mdn82 26,344]

I'm just trying to see if posters on this board are willing to be proactive about getting a great coach, and not sit around and hope someone comes calling.

I've said he's earned one more year but that's it.  It took more than one season for the fans to get to this point, so the leash shouldn't be much longer because of one season either.

I honestly don't share your pulse of the situation though. I know where you are coming from. I just don't see where the leash is as tight as you feel at this point. We still need to keep improving but at this point his seat is more comfortable that at this point than last year. We will see which way we go. I do finally feel this situation going forward is at a crossroads. Keep improving.

[JSHoosier 22,210]

3 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

I feel as though that season was disappointing for a few reasons. We were more talented than the majority of teams we faced that season we lost to. We peaked I felt in the end of November into early December. It is up to the coach to keep the pulse of the club and make adjustments for the benefit of his team. We were talented enough to win the B1G but struggled down the stretch into both tournaments. The Syracuse game as bad is was wasn't our low point. That was the Illinois game IMO. For starters we completely fell apart in the second half against an overmatched team. But still should have won. That out of bounds play was a bigger kick in the nuts than the Syracuse game to me.

I'm still trying to forget that out of bounds play.  Or the one against Butler.

Thanks for that...

[Bittersince87 209]

I feel as though that season was disappointing for a few reasons. We were more talented than the majority of teams we faced that season we lost to. We peaked I felt in the end of November into early December. It is up to the coach to keep the pulse of the club and make adjustments for the benefit of his team. We were talented enough to win the B1G but struggled down the stretch into both tournaments. The Syracuse game as bad is was wasn't our low point. That was the Illinois game IMO. For starters we completely fell apart in the second half against an overmatched team. But still should have won. That out of bounds play was a bigger kick in the nuts than the Syracuse game to me.

I felt we were better than anyone on paper except Louisville. I flew to that Syracuse game - I was a broken man . Lol

[JSHoosier 22,210]

4 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

I honestly don't share your pulse of the situation though. I know where you are coming from. I just don't see where the leash is as tight as you feel at this point. We still need to keep improving but at this point his seat is more comfortable that at this point than last year. We will see which way we go. I do finally feel this situation going forward is at a crossroads. Keep improving.

I'm just speaking from a fan standpoint.  I don't think the administration, Glass included, cares if the program returns to what it's capable of though.

[mdn82 26,344]

I'm just speaking from a fan standpoint.  I don't think the administration, Glass included, cares if the program returns to what it's capable of though.

I can understand that.

[mdn82 26,344]

I felt we were better than anyone on paper except Louisville. I flew to that Syracuse game - I was a broken man . Lol

Absolutely agree!

[JSHoosier 22,210]

14 minutes ago, Bittersince87 said:

I felt we were better than anyone on paper except Louisville. I flew to that Syracuse game - I was a broken man . Lol

That Syracuse game was painful to watch.  Comically unprepared.  I can handle a loss better if the team was ready, i.e. UNC.

[JSHoosier 22,210]

10 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

I can understand that.

That's what's so frustrating to me.  This program has everything it needs to be one of the best in the country, except for one; and that one thing is at least partially controllable.  Where Kentucky went after who wanted, where Alabama went after who they wanted because they knew and cared what those programs are capable of; I don't for one second think our administration is in that ilk, I think they know but couldn't possibly care less.

Frankly if it was reported tomorrow that Crean was signed to a lifetime contract I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

That's what's so frustrating to me.  This program has everything it needs to be one of the best in the country, except for one; and that one thing is at least partially controllable.  Where Kentucky went after who wanted, where Alabama went after who they wanted because they knew and cared what those programs are capable of; I don't for one second think our administration is in that ilk, I think they know but couldn't possibly care less.

Frankly if it was reported tomorrow that Crean was signed to a lifetime contract I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

For five years 15-20 million I could live with that . Can't you?

So 15 mil at one place that things are going well and look to be getting better compared to 20 mil at another where they just fired a coach after 2 outright conference titles in 5 years, 3 Sweet 16s in 5 years, and a solid looking team the next year.

I can't confidently say I would take an extra 5 mil where my job depended on so much that I couldn't control. You're dependent on the decisions of where 16-18 year old males choose to attend college. The health and decisions of those student-athletes while attending the university. That is so much you're dependent on when coaching amateur athletes.

Edit: that's just me though.

[mdn82 26,344]

So 15 mil at one place that things are going well and look to be getting better compared to 20 mil at another where they just fired a coach after 2 outright conference titles in 5 years, 3 Sweet 16s in 5 years, and a solid looking team the next year.

I can't confidently say I would take an extra 5 mil where my job depended on so much that I couldn't control. You're dependent on the decisions of where 16-18 year old males choose to attend college. The health and decisions of those student-athletes while attending the university. That is so much you're dependent on when coaching amateur athletes.

Edit: that's just me though.

Yep then you add how people have treated his family. No way. I wouldn't subject my wife and kids to that for $5 million.

[JSHoosier 22,210]

2 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Yep then you add how people have treated his family. No way. I wouldn't subject my wife and kids to that for $5 million.

Outside of that one reporter going too far questioning his wife, has there been much at his family besides some high school kids chanting?  I don't recall hearing anything else.

Note:  Honest question, I'm not endorsing any of it.  Whatever you think of his coaching abilities, leave his family out of it.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 90,514]

2 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Yep then you add how people have treated his family. No way. I wouldn't subject my wife and kids to that for $5 million.

To a degree, any woman who marries a man with head coaching aspirations does so with her eyes open that criticism of her husband is inevitable and often very crude and brutal.  Unfortunately, it shouldn't end up being directed at their children but that's simply not the way today's society acts.  I've not been a CTC supporter, but comments and actions that have been directed at his kids are disgusting. 

[Bittersince87 209]

Yep then you add how people have treated his family. No way. I wouldn't subject my wife and kids to that for $5 million.

Yeah that was scumie thing to do. Kids and family should be left out. Still Roy Williams gets booed in public and that's from UNC. It just sadly comes at a high profile school. Stupid people are everywhere.

[mdn82 26,344]

Outside of that one reporter going too far questioning his wife, has there been much at his family besides some high school kids chanting?  I don't recall hearing anything else.

Note:  Honest question, I'm not endorsing any of it.  Whatever you think of his coaching abilities, leave his family out of it.

There has been talks of that happening a bit during the down years. I am with you on the family thing. It was fair game during the Knight years outside of Bloomington. I just think within Bloomington family should be off limits. High school kids always did that to Pat as a kid. Not classy but that's what it is.

[Bobman1 2,913]

Outside of that one reporter going too far questioning his wife, has there been much at his family besides some high school kids chanting?  I don't recall hearing anything else.

Note:  Honest question, I'm not endorsing any of it.  Whatever you think of his coaching abilities, leave his family out of it.

To answer your question, on April Fools Day a professor said "Tom Crean has been fired" and the class erupted into cheers all while Crean's daughter or nephew was in the class. And then the professor said, "April Fools."

Not trying to argue or anything just answering your question.

[JSHoosier 22,210]

1 minute ago, mdn82 said:

There has been talks of that happening a bit during the down years. I am with you on the family thing. It was fair game during the Knight years outside of Bloomington. I just think within Bloomington family should be off limits. High school kids always did that to Pat as a kid. Not classy but that's what it is.

Coaching at this level is a pressure cooker.  It's not unique to Indiana.  Family should be off limits, but at the same time coaches and family have to understand that any job of this stature has drawbacks like that.  Not endorsing it by any stretch, but it's not unique to Indiana.

[JSHoosier 22,210]

2 minutes ago, Calipari said:

To answer your question, on April Fools Day a professor said "Tom Crean has been fired" and the class erupted into cheers all while Crean's daughter or nephew was in the class. And then the professor said, "April Fools."

Not trying to argue or anything just answering your question.

I remember hearing that now.  Very poor taste on the professor's part.

[MikeRoberts 7,993]

To answer your question, on April Fools Day a professor said "Tom Crean has been fired" and the class erupted into cheers all while Crean's daughter or nephew was in the class. And then the professor said, "April Fools."

Not trying to argue or anything just answering your question.

Pretty sure that sorry is made up. I've heard it but don't think it's true

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

Don't know what's true but there is zero doubt about their family facing ridiculous vitriol.

As much as it is Crean, it's gonna happen to any coach here.

Tony Bennett is immune to criticism, so maybe he can be the first to avoid the ugly truth about coaching IU. That Tony, so dreamy. Passing and catching, no shooting, just beautiful basketball. Fantastic stuff.