TOM CREAN FIRED

[HoosierSadaseci]

Disappointed that we couldn't get past the Sweet 16....again, but with how the team improved since Maui and Duke Crean earned another year, but the leash is still short. We will see what he can do with the team next season.  His seat may not be on fire for now, but it's staying lukewarm.

[JSHoosier]

16 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

True he has done that in 20 years. Although a lot of the rhetoric centers on him no being able to improve. Has he not done that over the last 5 years? I don't care what he did 20 years ago if he is improving. He is at this point. The moment the improvement stops he should be gone unless he is at a level not acceptable. 3 conference titles in 20 years. Well 2 were in the last 4 years. Both outright. To act like that is not improving is odd at best.

What coach has done as little as Crean has in almost 20 years and then suddenly put it together?  Sure he's done better here than he did at Marquette, but that doesn't mean he's the coach to get us where we should want to be.  

[8bucks]

What coach has done as little as Crean has in almost 20 years and then suddenly put it together?  Sure he's done better here than he did at Marquette, but that doesn't mean he's the coach to get us where we should want to be.  

Crean did seem to find a way to change a few things this year (getting his team to play D and giving their legs a break).

As for a coach that made changes late in their career consider Jim Boeheim who did not switch to his zone D until late in his career.

"Finally it dawned on me,” said Boeheim in a candid moment after his team’s 61-50 win over Indiana in last year’s Sweet 16, “after about 27 or 28 years that if we played zone all the time and didn’t waste time playing man-to-man and put some wrinkles in the zone, that our defense would be better.”

http://dailyorange.com/2014/01/the-buildup/

[Uspshoosier]

What coach has done as little as Crean has in almost 20 years and then suddenly put it together?  Sure he's done better here than he did at Marquette, but that doesn't mean he's the coach to get us where we should want to be.  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Calhoun

It took Jim a little time before he put up the numbers that made him a hall of fame coach

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Boeheim

Same for this Jim.

I'm im in no way comparing crean to these 2 I'm just pointing out that even for hall of fame coaches it took over 20 years before they got their shining moment

[mdn82]

What coach has done as little as Crean has in almost 20 years and then suddenly put it together?  Sure he's done better here than he did at Marquette, but that doesn't mean he's the coach to get us where we should want to be.  

I get what you are saying. But the argument has been since the start of this he can't improve. Then you bring up 20 years with 3 conference titles. 2 of which are in the last 4 years. I honestly don't care what he did at Marquette, Final Four included once he got here. Every page of this thread includes xxxx coach has done this so at xxxx school. Once he gets here he has all of the resources in the world. So I think we should look at Crean's improvement here separate from Marquette. Apples and Oranges once he was hired by IU. Plus it doesn't help the argument he can't do it here because once the program has stabilized he has improved from his time at Marquette. Everyone wants to bring up D Wade like he was Jordan. I grew up with Allan Iverson not making it. I grew up with UNC having Jerry Stackhouse and Rasheed Wallace going as far as D Wade and no further. At that point he wasn't this generational talent some make him out to be. Great player? Yes. Generational talent at the college level? No

[Walking Boot of Doom]

In the last five years under Crean:

- 2 B1G Title

- 4 NCAA Tourney Appearances

- 3 Sweet Sixteens

- 2-1 versus "better" Kentucky teams

If you're being honest with yourself, that's a pretty consistent 5 year resume. Getting your team to the second weekend 60% of the time will eventually result in a break through to the Final Four. As Wayne pointed out, we may have just run into the champ twice, based on how well UNC has played in this tournament, and Syracuse turned out to be a Final Four team in 2013. If Crean keeps up this kind of consistency, I feel pretty good about us going to the Final Four with him as coach.

Excited for next year.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Izzo, Coach K, Calipari, and now Bill Self all with failed seasons, if you apply Indiana expectations. March is cruel.

Those are, in my opinion, four of the six (Boeheim and Roy) elite college basketball coaches right now. Some new names are starting to rise up, but these are the top dogs right now.

But, none should be questioned as they have all won a championship. Crean reaching the Final Four is the next big milestone of his Indiana career. Championships don't come easy. Each of those guys above have had many chances, and I think only Coach K and Roy have won multiple with their current programs.

[Old Friend]

10 hours ago, Bittersince87 said:

I don't mind the debate but honestly no one has addressed the fact that we have not passed the sweet sixteen in 8 years. All the arguments are asking us skeptics to base our decision simply through this year alone. This happens each year. One year we were exhausted down the stretch. Another year we had no three point shooters and next year no big man. Last year we needed another year of development. This year we just crossed with a superior team. When's enough? None of the supporters have actually discussed what their limitations are. They blindly just defend, defend, defend.

This has been mentioned many times.  I've said it myself several times that Crean has gone past the sweet 16 exactly once in his career.  Not good enough.  This is part of the pattern of his doing just enough.  I think everyone's on the same page.   I think many are more optimistic and supportive now; but not totally sold.   That's certainly where I am.

[Old Friend]

27 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

 

In the last five years under Crean:

 

- 2 B1G Title

 

- 4 NCAA Tourney Appearances

 

- 3 Sweet Sixteens

 

- 2-1 versus "better" Kentucky teams

 

If you're being honest with yourself, that's a pretty consistent 5 year resume. Getting your team to the second weekend 60% of the time will eventually result in a break through to the Final Four. As Wayne pointed out, we may have just run into the champ twice, based on how well UNC has played in this tournament, and Syracuse turned out to be a Final Four team in 2013. If Crean keeps up this kind of consistency, I feel pretty good about us going to the Final Four with him as coach.

 

Excited for next year.

Big Ten finishes :

 

5th

1st

8th

7th 

1st

 

Not consistent.   Some decent things on the resume, but not consistent.

[Uspshoosier]

Big Ten finishes :

 

5th

1st

8th

7th 

1st

 

Not consistent.   Some decent things on the resume, but not consistent.

That 5th place finish was 2 games out of 1st. Iu once finished 2nd but 6 games out of first back in 98. For me what place you finish in the big 10 isn't as important as if you are actually in contention for the big 10

But I agree consistency is crucial for a program

[MikeRoberts]

Crean has a history of builds, not reloads. If he can reload and stay consistently good and occasionally great, this thread would slowly die. The next two years cannot be another build. We just won the bigten, that should give us recruiting momentum. We haven't seen that momentum translate to high level recruits yet... Here's to hoping it does and we don't experience the same woes we did after the previous bigten title

[MadAboutIndiana]

I don't think IU has to worry about reloading this time around.

[Uspshoosier]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2016/03/26/tom-crean-indiana-hoosiers-big-ten-ncaa-tournament-north-carolina/82292544/

[MadAboutIndiana]

http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2016/3/26/11309202/indiana-basketball-fans-who-think-tom-crean-should-go-are-undeserving

Interesting take

[JaybobHoosier]

Crean has a history of builds, not reloads. If he can reload and stay consistently good and occasionally great, this thread would slowly die. The next two years cannot be another build. We just won the bigten, that should give us recruiting momentum. We haven't seen that momentum translate to high level recruits yet... Here's to hoping it does and we don't experience the same woes we did after the previous bigten title

I agree with this. While this year was important, we are losing a lot of really good/important seniors. We have a lot of really good recruits coming in that IMO, will lead us further in the tournament next year. Just have a really good feeling.

[pumpfake]

11 hours ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Izzo, Coach K, Calipari, and now Bill Self all with failed seasons, if you apply Indiana expectations. March is cruel.

Those are, in my opinion, four of the six (Boeheim and Roy) elite college basketball coaches right now. Some new names are starting to rise up, but these are the top dogs right now.

But, none should be questioned as they have all won a championship. Crean reaching the Final Four is the next big milestone of his Indiana career. Championships don't come easy. Each of those guys above have had many chances, and I think only Coach K and Roy have won multiple with their current programs.

I would expect that the fanbases of MSU, Duke, UK, and KU all consider this season a huge disappointment.  I don't think any of those who aren't sold on Crean think he's awful, they're just losing patience because we're always a couple of steps away from where we want to be.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

I would expect that the fanbases of MSU, Duke, UK, and KU all consider this season a huge disappointment.  I don't think any of those who aren't sold on Crean think he's awful, they're just losing patience because we're always a couple of steps away from where we want to be.

Just pointing out that there will be more disappointment than success in the tournament. I saw a tweet last night that said Self had tied Coach K with the most tournament losses as a higher seed. They've both consistently been seeded high in a lot of tournaments, so their success sort of skews that stat, but Crean has had 5 shots at the tournament here so far. Give it time.

[Hoosier42bbq]

IU played in 3 tournaments this year and pooped the bed in each of them. For me it's not about getting beat by a hot UNC team but the fact that IU was even in that bracket with that seed. All they had to do was win 1 or 2 games in the BTT and they are a 3 seed with a lot better path.

For whatever reason Crean struggles with this. While he deserves credit for getting IU to this point, he also deserves credit for not being able to get any team but one (Marquette) past it either.

Folks we as fans (or maybe just myself) might just have to accept that this might just be his ceiling. Crean's abilities might just be "middle of the road". If the administration is fine with this, there's just not much we can do. Unfortunately as more time passes the more we lose the people who remember what it was for IU to be great and the more new fans IU gains have no idea what that was like. For ALOT of fans the best tournament run they have seen was 2002. That's scary. We are slowly eroding away into mediocrity.

[Uspshoosier]

IU played in 3 tournaments this year and pooped the bed in each of them. For me it's not about getting beat by a hot UNC team but the fact that IU was even in that bracket with that seed. All they had to do was win 1 or 2 games in the BTT and they are a 3 seed with a lot better path.

For whatever reason Crean struggles with this. While he deserves credit for getting IU to this point, he also deserves credit for not being able get to get any team but one (Marquette) past it either.

Folks we as fans (or maybe just myself) might just have to accept that this might just be his ceiling. Crean's abilities might just be "middle of the road". If the administration is fine with this, there's just not

much we can do. Unfortunately as more time passes the more we lose the people who remember what it was for IU to be great and the more new fans IU gains have no idea what that was like. For ALOT of fans the best tournament run they have seen was 2002. That's scary. We are slowly eroding away into mediocrity.

Slowly? Where have you been since 1995

[mdn82]

Slowly? Where have you been since 1995

Hell I was admiring jumping 2 seeds in the Tournament with 1 win in BTT.