TOM CREAN FIRED

[JSHoosier 20,301]

I really don't get what people see in Alford.  If he didn't play at IU I really don't think anyone would want him.

If Alford is an improvement over Crean, and I still say he's not, then Gregg Marshall is an absolutely undeniable improvement.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

Must be in the minority but I am ready to see literally anyone but Tom boner roaming the sideline at IU next year.


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Does he get any rebuild years at UCLA and SWMS? If those are in your 22 years then there might be some need for that.

 

The problem with looking at his record is, other than Iowa, he builds a program up and then moves up. I would have loved to have seen sustained success at some school. The lack of sustained success is my biggest gripe with Crean.

Good catch, I took out two years for Mo State just didn't list it. Thanks!

 

Not giving him rebuild years for UCLA. No need to rebuild a program that was the conference champ the year prior. It's just hilarious because UCLA fans have the same complaints about Alford that we have about Crean. They're track records are oddly similar. Very good coaches who have had success at multiple schools and recruit well. Not very impressive records for bluebloods though.

 

 

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[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

2 minutes ago, BlueDevil2aHoosier said:

Must be in the minority but I am ready to see literally anyone but Tom boner roaming the sideline at IU next year.


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You're absolutely not in the minority. I don't want to see Tom Crean ever again on the IU sideline. I will take anyone but Crean

[AKHoosier 6,953]

28 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Steve would make connections with the AAU coaches. In today's climate that is how it works. Steve is more willing to dance than Tom.


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Ehh I'm not so sure about that I want that dance to happen.  A lot of these AAU coaches I don't want any part of.  Not all of course, but some are just out for themselves, and I couldn't care less if they have an Indiana kid on their travel league team.

And also, Steve is an arrogant a$$.  He is eventually going to rub someone the wrong way.

[MikeRoberts 7,030]

Crean with 30%. Insane.

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Those are votes from fans of other bigten schools


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[Feathery 4,005]

4 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

I can't believe I'm still reading arguments for Alford.

1) In what world was he UCLA program Alford inherited broken? Are we talking about the same team that was 25-10 the year prior, and won the PAC 12? Sounds pretty great to me.

2) Steve Alford has assembled exactly ZERO teams that were in both the KenPom top 30 for AjdOffense and AdjDefense. No team since KenPom started tracking in 2002 has won the title without falling in the top 30 for both of those statistics. Crean has assembled only two in the same time period, still more than Alford. Alford's "amazing" team this year is the #3 AdjO, but the #81 AdjD. Watch them fall woefully short in the tournament. Very much like our own teams under Crean, they're an offensive power house and a joke on defense.

3) He has missed the tournament 12 times in 22 years. Give him two "rebuild" years each when he arrived to Iowa and NM, like we all do with Crean at Indiana, and then how do we explain the other six years where he missed the tournament?

4) His recruiting has been excellent, but look at the variance between his recruiting at a very strong Iowa program in a top conference (Fran has no trouble recruiting) versus at UCLA. Night and day difference. He's definitely assembled, on average, better classes at UCLA than Crean has at IU, but I will argue that UCLA recruits itself possibly better than any elite program in the country. It's Indiana's history, in one of the coolest cities in America, with some of the best weather in the country, and better perks. I also think he'd have success recruiting the state, but if you think Wilkes is an example of how he'd land in-state kids, I suggest looking at Wilkes comments regarding wanting to go to LA for exposure and a better chance at going to the NBA. I think Alford is probably in the same range as Crean as a recruiter.

5) The Pierre Pierce incident at Iowa. It was handled so unprofessionally, the last thing I want at IU is someone without questionable morals or judgement, especially when handling a situation as serious as that.

6) [empty to represent banner #6 that will remain missing for the entirety of Alford's time as Indiana's head coach if he were hired]


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At least he has had both championship caliber offenses amd defenses this decade. Something we havent seen at IU. Im not saying Alford is a homerun, not saying I want Alford, but he is better than Crean.  Also, Iowa is not a quality job. Fran isnt recruiting well at all. This is a terrible Big ten right now and Iowa struggles. They have no recruiting base to pull from  making it difficult to win their.

The Wilkes commitment is all about under armor, not LA. This is from an off record conversation with a IU recruiting/reporter. Steve is willing to go into the grey area that Crean wouldnt. You must go into the grey to win the top players today, see Alford recruting wins vs Crean not landing a single top 30 player the last couple of years.

[Feathery 4,005]

11 minutes ago, VO5 said:

I guess I'm the Debbie downer today but are people forgetting Alford went 15-17 last year at UCLA? Why does one good year and recruiting mask his coaching abilities? To make it past the sweet 16, you need more than talent

Last 4 years is 2 sweet 16s, pac 12 tourny champ, and probably at least another sweet 16 trip. Just like Crean isnt about 1 year, neither is Alford. 

[Hovadipo 56,423]

At least he has had both championship caliber offenses amd defenses this decade. Something we havent seen at IU. Im not saying Alford is a homerun, not saying I want Alford, but he is better than Crean.  Also, Iowa is not a quality job. Fran isnt recruiting well at all. This is a terrible Big ten right now and Iowa struggles. They have no recruiting base to pull from  making it difficult to win their.

The Wilkes commitment is all about under armor, not LA. This is from an off record conversation with a IU recruiting/reporter. Steve is willing to go into the grey area that Crean wouldnt. You must go into the grey to win the top players today, see Alford recruting wins vs Crean not landing a single top 30 player the last couple of years.

We had a championship caliber offense/defense in 12-13. (#2/21)

[VO5 8,272]

1 minute ago, Feathery said:

Last 4 years is 2 sweet 16s, pac 12 tourny champ, and probably at least another sweet 16 trip. Just like Crean isnt about 1 year, neither is Alford. 

I mean, that's kindve my point. Never been past the sweet 16. What makes it easier to do that at IU than it does UCLA? UCLA is a much more national brand than IU. I'm not trying to bring IU down, it's just reality. When you're recruiting a kid, does California and LA sound better than Bloomington, IN? I would think most people without their IU glasses on would pick LA in a landslide

[IUrocker 2,200]

Let's say that it is in fact Donovan who will be our next coach. Would that mean we wouldn't find out until later down the road after he finishes the playoffs with the Thunder? Or would that not matter and we find out just as soon as any other candidate? You may think that if it does indeed take a while for a new coach announcement to be made, that it might be safe to assume that it could be Donovan just for the fact that we are waiting on him to be done with his NBA season....or that could not matter at all and we find out whether it's him just as soon as any other candidate. Curious as to how that would play out. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

At least he has had both championship caliber offenses amd defenses this decade. Something we havent seen at IU.

This is wrong. Alford has assembled teams that had EITHER a championship level offense or defense, never both. Crean has assembled one team with both while at Indiana. http://kenpom.com/index.php?y=2013


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[KingPG21 6,587]

3 minutes ago, Feathery said:

At least he has had both championship caliber offenses amd defenses this decade. Something we havent seen at IU. Im not saying Alford is a homerun, not saying I want Alford, but he is better than Crean.  Also, Iowa is not a quality job. Fran isnt recruiting well at all. This is a terrible Big ten right now and Iowa struggles. They have no recruiting base to pull from  making it difficult to win their.

The Wilkes commitment is all about under armor, not LA. This is from an off record conversation with a IU recruiting/reporter. Steve is willing to go into the grey area that Crean wouldnt. You must go into the grey to win the top players today, see Alford recruting wins vs Crean not landing a single top 30 player the last couple of years.

Isn't that just more reason not to want him here? Dude was solid but nothing special at Iowa. Dude has always had to have way more talent than the majority of his opponents to be able to win consistently. We all love Stevens because the guy is a savant for getting more out of guys. Same with guys like Marshall, and what we've seen with Archie so far at Dayton. 

 

Also those adjusted numbers while at New Mexico are horrible. Top 25 adjusted D just twice, when you look at other coaches when they go to mid majors they immediately are putting up top of the line adjusted offense or defenses or both. And he didn't until he got talent that was way better than his opponents. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Last 4 years is 2 sweet 16s, pac 12 tourny champ, and probably at least another sweet 16 trip. Just like Crean isnt about 1 year, neither is Alford. 

Alford has had the same success at a blueblood as Crean, so we should hire him. Got it.


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[mdn82 25,510]

At least he has had both championship caliber offenses amd defenses this decade. Something we havent seen at IU. Im not saying Alford is a homerun, not saying I want Alford, but he is better than Crean.  Also, Iowa is not a quality job. Fran isnt recruiting well at all. This is a terrible Big ten right now and Iowa struggles. They have no recruiting base to pull from  making it difficult to win their.

The Wilkes commitment is all about under armor, not LA. This is from an off record conversation with a IU recruiting/reporter. Steve is willing to go into the grey area that Crean wouldnt. You must go into the grey to win the top players today, see Alford recruting wins vs Crean not landing a single top 30 player the last couple of years.

IU adjusted offense was 1 in 2012-13 and their adjusted D was 21 that same year. UCLA this year is 3 for offense and 82 for defense both per Pomeroy so I have no clue what you are talking about.


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[Zach Farmer 106]

Crimson Quarry now saying they believe the Alford story was bogus cause Albers deleted the tweets.

[Bowhunter 2,694]

15 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Ehh I'm not so sure about that I want that dance to happen.  A lot of these AAU coaches I don't want any part of.  Not all of course, but some are just out for themselves, and I couldn't care less if they have an Indiana kid on their travel league team.

And also, Steve is an arrogant a$$.  He is eventually going to rub someone the wrong way.

I wonder were Steve got that from lol

[VO5 8,272]

I want a COACH. Someone that doesn't need 3 5 stars on their team to win. Someone that when you look at them on the sideline, you know you'll have a chance regardless who's on the floor. Someone who can get the most out of their guys on D. This is not Crean, and not Alford.

[HoosierRob 1,042]

Crimson Quarry now saying they believe the Alford story was bogus cause Albers deleted the tweets.

Crimson quarry are crean fan boys with no inside info at all.

[bryanthoosier40 29]

Alford at ucla for atleast 7 years is the only valid comparison to crean. IMO


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