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jdailey1981

TOM CREAN FIRED

By jdailey1981, in Indiana Men's Basketball

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RobPoff    172

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Maybe the Alford contact is just to keep the "we considered an IU guy" out there. I doubt that our in-state recruiting would be great if he was here. He's been coaching since 91 and has only been to 3 Sweet 16s. High school kids have no idea who he is and even their parents might not know. He played in the 80s. Let's not forget that was 30 years ago! Lol


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Trish    11,566

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I highly doubt Steve leaves UCLA for a mediocre Indiana program right now. He's got top talent coming into UCLA for the next few years, it's LA, it's somewhat of an easy conference these days.

 

Steve would be a lateral move, yes. Along with many other potential hires including Marshall, Smart, other names I can't remember right now. 

 

 

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Hoosierfan2017    21,390

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2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

[Not taking a swipe at the post above - seen too much of this generally]

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In my opinion, ANYONE that proclaims "If (fill in name) is hired, I will no longer root for Indiana University" is welcome to exit stage left no matter who is hired.

  • Indiana is my alma mater (twice).
  • It is the school I will always root for. 
  • It is like family; you don't pick it, you are in it.
  • I don't root solely for the coach at the time, I root for my team, my school.

When Kelvin Sampson was coach, it was a damn shame, but I was still an absolute, no questions IU fan. I was simply an IU fan that wished we had a different coach. If Tom Crean is the coach next year? Same thing. (though it won't be nearly as bad as when Sampson was in charge)

If the identity of the coach can determine your fandom? For me...GTFO.

 

I'll still be an IU fan, but I'll be an "Oh IU won last night? Sweet" fan instead of a *refreshes btown banners obsessively* fan. My excitement would go out the window with another year of Crean. 

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Class of '66 Old Fart    84,744

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For some of you who would like to see Alford on our sideline, there are more issues about his character than just how he handled the rape charge at Iowa.  When he left New Mexico there were stories that he routinely tried to stiff local businesses that provided services to he and his family.  Stiff them in the sense he would try to get the business to accept his doing an endorsement for their business in lieu of cash payment and if they declined, he would drag his heels before finally ponying up.  He was a great player for us and is a step above CTC in coaching ability, but character matters to me and because of his character issues, I'll pass.

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VO5    8,272

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10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

[Not solely taking a swipe at the last post of this ilk above - seen too much of this generally]

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In my opinion, ANYONE that proclaims "If (fill in name) is hired, I will no longer root for Indiana University" is welcome to exit stage left no matter who is hired.

  • Indiana is my alma mater (twice).
  • It is the school I will always root for. 
  • It is like family; you don't pick it, you are in it.
  • I don't root solely for the coach at the time, I root for my team, my school.

When Kelvin Sampson was coach, it was a damn shame, but I was still an absolute, no questions IU fan. I was simply an IU fan that wished we had a different coach. If Tom Crean is the coach next year? Same thing. (though it won't be nearly as bad as when Sampson was in charge)

If the identity of the coach can determine your fandom? For me...GTFO.

 

I get this, but I'll respectfully disagree. Why should we blindly support an administration that makes bad hire after bad hire? I'll always love my university, but that doesn't mean I should have to stand for mediocrity either just because it's there. At some point, accountability has to happen or nothing ever changes

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hoosierpap    14,300

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8 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I highly doubt Steve leaves UCLA for a mediocre Indiana program right now. He's got top talent coming into UCLA for the next few years, it's LA, it's somewhat of an easy conference these days.

 

Steve would be a lateral move, yes. Along with many other potential hires including Marshall, Smart, other names I can't remember right now. 

 

 

I don't think that assumption is correct. Not saying your logic isn't sound, just not the case with Alford

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RobPoff    172

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[Not solely taking a swipe at the last post of this ilk above - seen too much of this generally]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In my opinion, ANYONE that proclaims "If (fill in name) is hired, I will no longer root for Indiana University" is welcome to exit stage left no matter who is hired.

  • Indiana is my alma mater (twice).
  • It is the school I will always root for. 
  • It is like family; you don't pick it, you are in it.
  • I don't root solely for the coach at the time, I root for my team, my school.
When Kelvin Sampson was coach, it was a damn shame, but I was still an absolute, no questions IU fan. I was simply an IU fan that wished we had a different coach. If Tom Crean is the coach next year? Same thing. (though it won't be nearly as bad as when Sampson was in charge)

If the identity of the coach can determine your fandom? For me...GTFO.

 


A-freakin-men brother!


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seihoosier    165

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5 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

For some of you who would like to see Alford on our sideline, there are more issues about his character than just how he handled the rape charge at Iowa.  When he left New Mexico there were stories that he routinely tried to stiff local businesses that provided services to he and his family.  Stiff them in the sense he would try to get the business to accept his doing an endorsement for their business in lieu of cash payment and if they declined, he would drag his heels before finally ponying up.  He was a great player for us and is a step above CTC in coaching ability, but character matters to me and because of his character issues, I'll pass.

Loads of the same stories out of Iowa when he was at the helm there.  Haircuts at the local barber and even about a John Deere tractor being delivered and he thought it should be free because he was Steve Alford.  Great player 30 years ago for IU.  No thanks as a coach.  I'd take Damon Bailey before him.  Humble down to earth guy, plus he's got a budding superstar son at BNL this year.  

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HoosierAloha    30,068

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[Not solely taking a swipe at the last post of this ilk above - seen too much of this generally]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In my opinion, ANYONE that proclaims "If (fill in name) is hired, I will no longer root for Indiana University" is welcome to exit stage left no matter who is hired.

  • Indiana is my alma mater (twice).
  • It is the school I will always root for. 
  • It is like family; you don't pick it, you are in it.
  • I don't root solely for the coach at the time, I root for my team, my school.
When Kelvin Sampson was coach, it was a damn shame, but I was still an absolute, no questions IU fan. I was simply an IU fan that wished we had a different coach. If Tom Crean is the coach next year? Same thing. (though it won't be nearly as bad as when Sampson was in charge)

If the identity of the coach can determine your fandom? For me...GTFO.

 


I disagree with this to an extent. Yes, you can support the players, team, and program without supporting the coach. However, if that program continues to hire questionable coaches that relationship, even by blood, can be fractured.

I stepped away when Samscum was hired. That went against everything IUBB I was raised on. Like a family member, if they committed a crime I would not fully support them just because we were blood relatives.
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