TOM CREAN FIRED

[mdn82]

I think Wojo in a couple of years will be a better head coach than Capel ever was, but he has to win. Doing better.


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[Baltimore Hoosier]

1 minute ago, mdn82 said:

.700 winning percentages while making the NCAA tournament and winning a couple of games vs. .553 and no NCAA tournament experience?


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In the A-10...... Miller has NEVER even landed a 4 star recruit that I'm aware of. Not that I don't like him. Just don't think that coaching wise, there is much of a gap, if any.

That .553 record includes a complete rebuild of a team playing in a power conference BTW.

[mdn82]

In the A-10...... Miller has NEVER even landed a 4 star recruit that I'm aware of. Not that I don't like him. Just don't think that coaching wise, there is much of a gap, if any.

That .553 record includes a complete rebuild of a team playing in a power conference BTW.

Complete rebuild? Agree to disagree.

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[KB0]

45 minutes ago, BtownBanner6 said:

I agree I'd like to build around my coach as well. Realistic options I'd like to have are Holtmann, Miller, and Enfield.

Only reason I would want Enfield at IU is so his wife could sit behind the bench and be on TV during every game.

[Baltimore Hoosier]

6 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Complete rebuild? Agree to disagree.

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Ummmm.. Buzz walked out the door with the entire starting rotation and his recruiting class. So you can disagree but you'd be wrong.

Took Wojo a year to recover. By year two he had 20 wins and landed a 5 star recruit and several 4 stars. 

[Trish]

Fire Crean!

An L tonight could continue the seat getting hotter and hotter.


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[BtownBanner6]

Only reason I would want Enfield at IU is so his wife could sit behind the bench and be on TV during every game.

Eh wouldn't hurt. He's definitely the third option of those 3.

[Baltimore Hoosier]

Just now, Treesh said:

Fire Crean!

An L tonight could continue the seat getting hotter and hotter.


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Fire Crean, I'm on board with that... But I will never root for a loss. Might as well turn over your fan card if you're hoping for L's.

[mdn82]

Ummmm.. Buzz walked out the door with the entire starting rotation and his recruiting class. So you can disagree but you'd be wrong.

Took Wojo a year to recover. By year two he had 20 wins and landed a 5 star recruit and several 4 stars. 

Of course. You are a fun one to have a discussion with.


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[Alford Bailey]

Id take Collins before Wojo. Both are down the list.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Andy Enfield did more at FGCU than wojo with a hell of a lot less talent. Now he has taken USC to be cool again which since OJ Mayo was there it hasn't been. He's won a few tourney games, has won good recruiting battles, has developed two kids in Metu and Boatright that wasn't near an NBA radar when he got them. He is 18-4 without his best player which they just beat UCLA at home. I don't even care about that win, because 5 top 10 teams have lost in the last 2 days. Upsets happen, when they do not everyone one of those coaches gets a big time job. Enfield has a resume of winning, recruiting, and developing. I would take his little more experience of Wojo who had ELLENSON and Fischer in a frontcourt in the big east and couldn't do anything with it. Sorry. Strong pass unless it is a few years from now and he adds to his resume. Coach K's assistants dont always turn out good. I like Chris Collins more than wojo.

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[mdn82]

18 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Ummmm.. Buzz walked out the door with the entire starting rotation and his recruiting class. So you can disagree but you'd be wrong.

Took Wojo a year to recover. By year two he had 20 wins and landed a 5 star recruit and several 4 stars. 

BTW, Buzz's "decimated" team he left included 4 graduates.  1 left to go pro.  One left before Wojo stepped on campus.  Any players after that left after Wojo came on.  That seems like a normal year no?  It's Marquette.  The type of team Wojo inheritted wasn't great.  Wojo inheritted some good transfers (Luke Fischer and Matt Carlino).  He will be a fine coach.  Just not the one I or most everyone here wants at IU.  Like Alford says, I would take Collins in a heartbeat over Wojo.  Collins at least has bloodlines, learning under K (which doesn't always mean much look at Crean).  It's all a moot point.  Sorry everything is so black and white for you and you can't seem to believe people may not actually agree with everything you say.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Huh? Are you trying to compare Wojo to Crean? That's ridiculous.

Just trying to get on your level of ridiculousness in claiming Woj inherited a decimated team. Plus, what an incredible argument to use when defending the lack of success of Crean's replacement, given that argument was Crean's #1 defense early on.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

11 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Fire Crean, I'm on board with that... But I will never root for a loss. Might as well turn over your fan card if you're hoping for L's.

I hate comments like this. We're going to have to lose some games if we want the Crean roller coaster to be over. If Crean gets lucky, salvages the season, and maybe wins a game in the tournament he's probably going to get extended. Then we'll be right back in the same position next year, and the next, etc. It would never end. Is he really a bad fan for hoping for losses that will benefit the program long term? I'm down for whatever has to happen for Crean to be fired. If that's a whole bunch of losses to finish the season then so be it. 

[Uspshoosier]

I hate comments like this. We're going to have to lose some games if we want the Crean roller coaster to be over. If Crean gets lucky, salvages the season, and maybe wins a game in the tournament he's probably going to get extended. Then we'll be right back in the same position next year, and the next, etc. It would never end. Is he really a bad fan for hoping for losses that will benefit the program long term? I'm down for whatever has to happen for Crean to be fired. If that's a whole bunch of losses to finish the season then so be it. 

I hate comments like this. Obviously you are not a parent. So you purposely want someone kids to fail just so you as a fan can get another coach. Never mind the fact the kids busted their butts in the off season and season to win games. Luckily us fans really have no say this matter


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[BtownBanner6]

I hate comments like this. We're going to have to lose some games if we want the Crean roller coaster to be over. If Crean gets lucky, salvages the season, and maybe wins a game in the tournament he's probably going to get extended. Then we'll be right back in the same position next year, and the next, etc. It would never end. Is he really a bad fan for hoping for losses that will benefit the program long term? I'm down for whatever has to happen for Crean to be fired. If that's a whole bunch of losses to finish the season then so be it. 

I don't think you're a bad fan if this is your thought process. However I am on the same page as Baltimore in the fact I just can't watch IU play and hope they lose. I guess I just hope someday Glass and the athletic department will stop being okay with mediocrity.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

I hate comments like this. Obviously you are not a parent. So you purposely want someone kids to fail just so you as a fan can get another coach. Never mind the fact the kids busted their butts in the off season and season to win games. Luckily us fans really have no say this matter


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Exactly!! I hate when my 3 year old fails to build his legos just the way he wants and gets upset. I couldn't imagine WANTING him or any kid to loss every game of probably their most important times of their lives. If Crean stays cause these kids bust their ass and make a good run then I would have rather have him. I don't want our kids to fail even if that meant Greg Popovich wanted to come here.

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[Hoosierfan2017]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I hate comments like this. Obviously you are not a parent. So you purposely want someone kids to fail just so you as a fan can get another coach. Never mind the fact the kids busted their butts in the off season and season to win games. Luckily us fans really have no say this matter


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Do these kids who bust their butts all summer not deserve the best coaching possible? 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Enfield is very intriguing.

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Do these kids who bust their butts all summer not deserve the best coaching possible? 

Now this is a great point.

The comments about rooting for us to lose is mean the the kids. Not necessarily.

That is only short term in these fans minds.

They all expect a new coach to put these SAME KIDS in a better position to succeed.

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