TOM CREAN FIRED

[Stuhoo 90,642]

 

Jeez...if you guys are gonna resort to name calling and personal insults of IU's basketball coach, take it to Rupp's Rafters. What's next after "Clappy", references to him kissing his son on the cheek?

Not okay, even in the Fire Tom Crean thread.

 

[Hoosierfan2017 25,109]

3 minutes ago, recker222000 said:

I did not realize its a d III school. He gets like one minute in blow out wins as a 7 footer. We pay 3.5 million a year for this genious recruiting.

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Lol oh boy..

 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I did not post any of this as an indictment of Crean on the transfer thing... it was a play on the "deflections" comment...

A lot of coaches (most coaches) experience transfers, and it's not a negative thing, per se... but there is the issue of "Creaning" where Clappy brings in a body who has no hope of contributing to the team or the end result, just to avoid having an open scholly. And then subsequently sending said player packing in search of a new home. THAT speaks more about his character than is coaching (in)abilities.

April could easily be the poster child for this behavior. No way he was going to help IU - he's not even playing at tiny Wabash College, a D-3 school.

Fair, and i didn't enjoy the play on words


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Could not disagree more. His time at Marquette and Indiana has been marred by transfers. A transfer means there is not a good fit. Sometimes Crean comes to that conclusion and sometimes the player does and sometimes it's mutual. His shotgun approach to recruiting, promises, conduct, poorly constructed teams etc all play a part in kids leaving whether they want to or not.

Rarely do you have a kid transfer with a smile on his face and all the friends, family, AAU coaches, high school coaches all feeling great about the situation. In many cases they feel disappointed, angry, mislead. This sentiment permeates throughout the state and impacts relationships and recruiting.

It is a huge black eye on Crean and subsequently IU. It's damaging

Have you noticed the trend in college basketball? Over 700 transfer a year between about 352(?) D-I teams. Rough average of two a year. Crean is not a unique case at all.

I don't agree with the shotgun recruiting approach, but I think it is much less to blame than the overall mentality that has "marred" college basketball as a whole.


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[recker222000 1,010]

Lol oh boy..

 

In the nba with priller I suppose as a one two punch for the pacers

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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,708]

Yeah, guys, no name calling. Discuss deficiencies at length but no need to name call.


Please and Thanks.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,708]

Have you noticed the trend in college basketball? Over 700 transfer a year between about 352(?) D-I teams. Rough average of two a year. Crean is not a unique case at all.

I don't agree with the shotgun recruiting approach, but I think it is much less to blame than the overall mentality that has "marred" college basketball as a whole.


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I think the shotgun approach fits his personality but more so, I think it comes from his desire to land 5 stars but his knowing he is unlikely to get them. He doesn't seem to have the gauge on which players he legitimately stands a chance with.




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[southernindianahoosier 422]

Dakich had some good points just now about this current team and what he believes their mindset is.


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Can you elaborate on what he said? You can PM me if you want.

[pappy1865 2,283]

21 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier said:

 

Can you elaborate on what he said? You can PM me if you want.

 

Same here.  Not able to listen and every so often I'm curious what Dakich says.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

Could not disagree more. His time at Marquette and Indiana has been marred by transfers. A transfer means there is not a good fit. Sometimes Crean comes to that conclusion and sometimes the player does and sometimes it's mutual. His shotgun approach to recruiting, promises, conduct, poorly constructed teams etc all play a part in kids leaving whether they want to or not.

Rarely do you have a kid transfer with a smile on his face and all the friends, family, AAU coaches, high school coaches all feeling great about the situation. In many cases they feel disappointed, angry, mislead. This sentiment permeates throughout the state and impacts relationships and recruiting.

It is a huge black eye on Crean and subsequently IU. It's damaging

I went through all recruits and the W/L record for Crean to make a excel spreadsheet a few years ago. I have to see numbers, stars, figures, etc. to backup claims before making most statements. At that time, Crean was "winning" on the recruiting trail, meaning he was bringing in more stars and talent than the rest of the B1G. The reason why he was doing this? He had about 5 more recruits than the next closest B1G contender over that 3-4 year stretch. That was removing his first few years with the roster instability. If you're playing with more roster spots at IU of course you'll have more room for the stars.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

I think the shotgun approach fits his personality but more so, I think it comes from his desire to land 5 stars but his knowing he is unlikely to get them. He doesn't seem to have the gauge on which players he legitimately stands a chance with.




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A lot about the team and program fits his personality. The shotgun approach to recruiting, the play fast and wild turnovers on offense, and the lack of defense.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 92,853]

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/01/05/what-has-gone-wrong-with-indiana/

Rob Dauster must be following btb because his article pretty much mirrors what this thread has complained about with this year's team.  The final paragraphs of the article:

"At the end of the day, this is an Indiana team with a flawed roster. They have no point guard, which makes them entirely reliant on making difficult threes to win games, and they have no alpha-dog, which makes it just that much more difficult to stop runs within a game and to stop losing streaks within a season.

They’ll finish in the top four or five of a Big Ten that isn’t all that intimidating. They’ll win 22 games and get to the NCAA tournament, and if they get the right draw, they might be able to get to the second weekend.

But that’s about all Indiana fans should expect from a team that used Juwan Morgan to initiate offense on critical possessions at home against Big Ten favorites Wisconsin."

 

 

 

[KingPG21 6,606]

36 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I think the shotgun approach fits his personality but more so, I think it comes from his desire to land 5 stars but his knowing he is unlikely to get them. He doesn't seem to have the gauge on which players he legitimately stands a chance with.




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People remember him recruiting BeeJay Anya, at all? He wasn't a five star recruit, but he was a pretty highly rated center that didn't make the slightest bit of sense. Just another example of his shotgun approach to things. 

[recker222000 1,010]

People remember him recruiting BeeJay Anya, at all? He wasn't a five star recruit, but he was a pretty highly rated center that didn't make the slightest bit of sense. Just another example of his shotgun approach to things. 

Im still waiting on the signed Loi from goodluck. That was a done deal.

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[mdn82 26,344]

Im still waiting on the signed Loi from goodluck. That was a done deal.

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When? Never heard that.


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[Stuhoo 90,642]

When? Never heard that.

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Don't matter if it actually happened, he's on a random "I hate Tom Crean" roll. lol

[Alford Bailey 13,233]

49 minutes ago, KingPG21 said:

People remember him recruiting BeeJay Anya, at all? He wasn't a five star recruit, but he was a pretty highly rated center that didn't make the slightest bit of sense. Just another example of his shotgun approach to things. 

Yep. If I remember right we were pushing hard but it became clear Anya was going to NC State. Within a week we landed Vonleah.

[recker222000 1,010]

Don't matter if it actually happened, he's on a random "I hate Tom Crean" roll. lol

Yep for sure. I must of hit a nerve since you dont find it funny.

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[mdn82 26,344]

Yep for sure. I must of hit a nerve since you dont find it funny.

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I don't think it's that. I think the man has done enough for us to want to fire him without being ignorant and making things up.


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[Stuhoo 90,642]

1 hour ago, recker222000 said:

Yep for sure. I must of hit a nerve since you dont find it funny.

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It's a message board; I'm not questioning your right to say what you want, but I also feel free to call it the way I see it.
So, I don't think it's funny; I think it's low class.
I also think that Tom Crean is a good man with integrity, but that he is not the right coach for IU.