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AKHoosier
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Green needs all of Newkirk's minutes. Anyone can see that.

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So i've been saying Newkirk is the problem with this team. No PG and Crean knows that but is forcing it. Green or Cujo needs to step up and kudos to Wayne for believing in Green. It may be on him

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I don't know, IMO Freddie is high risk. He's not a basketball player, he's an athlete masquerading a basketball player. McRoberts isn't great, but the kid plays hard, moves the ball super fast (which

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I know that's why I said these numbers will change but since all B1G teams rpi are around the same area do u really believe they will drop all they way out of the top 100 rpi?


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If anyone can do it Ill can! At the end of the season it will be a decent win. I believe Ill stacked their schedule to make it look like their a better team than they actually are re: RPI.
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Thanks for posting the list---Minnesota with a top 5 NCAA RPI is surprising.  Little Pitino is NOT dodging competition. As Knight used to say---to become the best you have to play the best.  I hope Crean starts scheduling fewer cupcakes except at finals and the holidays---and we get our RPI/SOS up where it should be for a blueblood!

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1 hour ago, rebelhoosier848891 said:

So is it true this is only our 3rd win against a top 100 team----the other two being Kansas and UNC ? Yikes---I forgot about all the cupcakes we play. Maybe that's why it takes us a while to get going each year......

It felt like we improved the schedule this year but we arent even close to many of the top teams.

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When are y'all gonna stop complaining about TB shooting 3s? He's got a nice shot..and they're going in. Thought he had a solid game..he showed up in the 2nd half. Now we just need to play 2 halves of basketball. If we would have mimicked the first half the statline would have been beautiful.

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When are y'all gonna stop complaining about TB shooting 3s? He's got a nice shot..and they're going in. Thought he had a solid game..he showed up in the 2nd half. Now we just need to play 2 halves of basketball. If we would have mimicked the first half the statline would have been beautiful.

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I'll stop complaining when..

- we short a lot more twos than threes.
- we play inside out rather than outside out.
- we have our 5 man dominate the paint
- we stop having our 5 handle on the perimeter

I get what Crean is trying to do with Bryant. That's great for the NBA but not great for IU getting wins. I just hope he doesn't do the same with Davis but fear he will
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In the post game presser, CTC mentioned McRoberts without having been asked a question. My take was that he must be getting questions concerning the amount of his playing time and went to defend Zach in a preemptive strike. Anyway, he said that ZM played 12 possessions in the game. We scored on 9 of those and they scored on only 2. Maybe I'm wrong about Zach. Maybe his contributions on defense and hustle are bigger than I thought.


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I'll stop complaining when..

- we short a lot more twos than threes.
- we play inside out rather than outside out.
- we have our 5 man dominate the paint
- we stop having our 5 handle on the perimeter

I get what Crean is trying to do with Bryant. That's great for the NBA but not great for IU getting wins. I just hope he doesn't do the same with Davis but fear he will

I agree and they should pound it inside to davis but i doubt he will.

The offense is way way to predictable and when your post guy plays like a wing its not going to work against good teams. I dont like purdue but they do a good job pounding it inside. Your not going to be able to shoot 50 percent from three each night. You gotta have an inside game.

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16 minutes ago, cappymo14 said:

In the post game presser, CTC mentioned McRoberts without having been asked a question. My take was that he must be getting questions concerning the amount of his playing time and went to defend Zach in a preemptive strike. Anyway, he said that ZM played 12 possessions in the game. We scored on 9 of those and they scored on only 2. Maybe I'm wrong about Zach. Maybe his contributions on defense and hustle are bigger than I thought.


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Id like to see the same info about McRoberts from the other games cause I just don't see the positive of having him out there. He tends to get beat by his man on defense and seems to try to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it. Seems scared to shoot the ball

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It felt like we improved the schedule this year but we arent even close to many of the top teams.


I said this in another thread. I feel, to get recruiting exposure, we need to take risks early. If we retain competitive talent next year, we should double and triple down on our non-con. I remember watching a game under RMK several years ago. The announcers were talking about recruiting at IU and Purdue Person Vitale suggested it was made easier for Indiana because the recruits knew that a majority of their games would be on CBS National or ESPN National. He made a direct correlation between the amount of national tv exposure and the number of quality recruits wanting to play on it. It's not without risk as the potential for losing is higher but, even so, I think there's more to be gained from losing to a powerhouse on national television than from a 40 point win on BTN plus over a team that one needs to look up to find out if it's real.


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Id like to see the same info about McRoberts from the other games cause I just don't see the positive of having him out there. He tends to get beat by his man on defense and seems to try to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it. Seems scared to shoot the ball


I've been critical of his minutes. Not critical of his play but, more that there has been no benefit offensively. I feel he is taking minutes from guys who can score better, rebound better and have the confidence to make a move. Tonight was no different, essentially he did nothing. Passed up a WIDE open shot in the corner and was bailed out by an off ball foul. Clearly he lacks confidence to hoist it.


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bleedhoosier Newbie

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I'd agree that McRoberts is kind of stiffling our offense by his man not having to respect him and sagging off to help on switches and drives. I specifically looked for it yesterday and noticed it many times. Dude has to shoot the ball if he is going to be in the floor. He is literally Hartman all over again.. scared to shoot but does many intangiables.

And for his defense, let me start by saying this team just hasn't really shown the guts for defense but I will definitely lump McRoberts in our top 5ish defenders (davis, morgan, OG, Johnson, Newkirk if he turns it on, McRoberts). I'm not seeing his man get by him. He did a great job in Bronstein with Wisky the other night, for example. He seems a hair quicker laterally than Hartman.

I guess my thought here is "balances". Crean must see that McRoberts has a statically more positive effect on the game than Green. I personally feel Green needs trial by fire time but he also just came out of Das Boot. May be on a time limit right now. Conversely, I think it's obvious Green has a super short leash with Crean. Reeling in the confidence? That sort of thing happens when the player isn't listening to the coach in practice. Anyway, we need to start giving Green like 5 mins of Newkirk's time.

I don't think Newkirk is completely useless but he is definitely frustrating too watch. I would split him and Green and make sure Green understands that he needs to chill on the extra dribbling. Play simple.

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Illinois sucks and we played pretty well. First half defense was solid and 2nd half was.....not, but whatever. Someone fire those refs. That was the longest game I think I've ever seen. Otherwise fun game to be at, the fiancée didn't get the last laugh, and I still get goosebumps when U2 starts playing so all is right in the world.


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