College Football Thread

[hoosierbgh]

8 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

and funerals.

I'm not sure you could tell the difference if he were in attendance. 

[kreigh8]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

And what did he get this year? Why is everyone butthurt at me because our running game isn't good? That's on Hart, the OC and OLine coach. Losing Hart isn't a big deal. 

Didn’t Hart have a big hand in landing Sampson James and Stevie Scott? James who’s one of the better rated recruits this program has ever had? But sure not a big deal...

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

14 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

Didn’t Hart have a big hand in landing Sampson James and Stevie Scott? James who’s one of the better rated recruits this program has ever had? But sure not a big deal...

And? Scott is just an okay back. He's not some superstar by any means and his production has gone down each year. Except touchdowns. He has 30, 10 each year. Sampson James has hardly even played. 

[IUc2016]

Mike hart is a big loss. Really helped with recruiting and the culture.

I am not a fan of Sheridan as he seems to be a Debord clone. Hope I am wrong, but don’t see the run game going anywhere under him.


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[kreigh8]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

And? Scott is just an okay back. He's not some superstar by any means and his production has gone down each year. Except touchdowns. He has 30, 10 each year. Sampson James has hardly even played. 

You're the first one to say that IUBB will not get back to where we want to be until we get better players consistently. You don't have to look very hard to see that Hart has had a big part in landing some of these better players the last few years. He also doesn't call the plays, or teach the offensive blocking scheme so pinning the blame of running game on him is quite shortsighted. Just firmly believe you're underestimating his contributions to the program. And if we land a replacement that is not on Hart's level or doesn't continue to land these quality players (mainly RBs) I'd wager you'll be the first one to complain.

[NashvilleHoosier]

37 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

You're quite shortsighted. 

I like the detail of your post, but I've fixed it to capture his real issue, though it's being quite generous. I can't for the life of me understand how he sees any enjoyment whatsoever in posting on this board. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

1 hour ago, kreigh8 said:

You're the first one to say that IUBB will not get back to where we want to be until we get better players consistently. You don't have to look very hard to see that Hart has had a big part in landing some of these better players the last few years. He also doesn't call the plays, or teach the offensive blocking scheme so pinning the blame of running game on him is quite shortsighted. Just firmly believe you're underestimating his contributions to the program. And if we land a replacement that is not on Hart's level or doesn't continue to land these quality players (mainly RBs) I'd wager you'll be the first one to complain.

I'm going to complain if our run game and offensive line continue to be so weak. We should be looking to upgrade. And after this seasons results, shouldn't be difficult. 

[kreigh8]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I'm going to complain if our run game and offensive line continue to be so weak. We should be looking to upgrade. And after this seasons results, shouldn't be difficult. 

I'll definitely agree that IU needs to get better and far deeper along the offensive line, but I'd simply say that the OL recruits was not something Hart was tasked with from what I've seen. Without quality holes for the RBs to run through, it maybe hard to discern the talent that has been accumulated by Hart at the position, which I can assure you is there based on the ratings. I recall the bowl game against Utah in Santa Clara when Lagow and Diamont were the QBs, which was only a full recruiting class away. It's night and day the offensive talent from that team to that of today, and it's not even close. If you're unable to see that, it's quite unfortunate as this is quite the time to be alive as an IU football fan

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

37 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

I'll definitely agree that IU needs to get better and far deeper along the offensive line, but I'd simply say that the OL recruits was not something Hart was tasked with from what I've seen. Without quality holes for the RBs to run through, it maybe hard to discern the talent that has been accumulated by Hart at the position, which I can assure you is there based on the ratings. I recall the bowl game against Utah in Santa Clara when Lagow and Diamont were the QBs, which was only a full recruiting class away. It's night and day the offensive talent from that team to that of today, and it's not even close. If you're unable to see that, it's quite unfortunate as this is quite the time to be alive as an IU football fan

Who was the running backs coach under Wilson? Stephen Houston, Tevin Coleman and Jordan Howard, Devine Redding... None of them ran for under 4 yards per carry. That's on the running backs too. For not being good enough to make creative cuts. 

[kreigh8]

14 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Who was the running backs coach under Wilson? Stephen Houston, Tevin Coleman and Jordan Howard, Devine Redding... None of them ran for under 4 yards per carry. That's on the running backs too. For not being good enough to make creative cuts. 

Spriggs, Brewer, Feeney and even Saffold if you'd like to go back that far had a large part in those RBs success. Pretty clear that Wilson was able to land some better OL than Allen has thus far, but he's essentially had one full recruiting cycle - give him some time.

[Bobman1]

And what did he get this year? Why is everyone butthurt at me because our running game isn't good? That's on Hart, the OC and OLine coach. Losing Hart isn't a big deal. 

2nd Team this year. And last. Just a note at your point that he only got it this year cause UW, PSU, and UM had down years. I do agree with you though that it’s not a huge deal as I have faith in our RB room and CTA to replace Hart well.

 

 

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

3 hours ago, kreigh8 said:

Spriggs, Brewer, Feeney and even Saffold if you'd like to go back that far had a large part in those RBs success. Pretty clear that Wilson was able to land some better OL than Allen has thus far, but he's essentially had one full recruiting cycle - give him some time.

We just have to give credit where it is due.. Kevin Wilson knew how to coach an offensive line. The scheme we ran also helped. We didn't just run it up the middle every time. 

[LamarCheeks]

U of Maryland and Jordan McNair's family settled ... 
 

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Has yet to be officially confirmed but all indications are Tennessee is terminating Jeremy Pruitt and AD Phil Fulmer is retiring.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/university-of-tennessee/football/2021/01/18/jeremy-pruitt-fired-tennessee-football-coaching-search-vols/6413502002/

[NashvilleHoosier]

20 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Has yet to be officially confirmed but all indications are Tennessee is terminating Jeremy Pruitt and AD Phil Fulmer is retiring.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/university-of-tennessee/football/2021/01/18/jeremy-pruitt-fired-tennessee-football-coaching-search-vols/6413502002/

I believe it's official now. Are we nervous? I really don't think we should be. Joe Rexrode, who writes for the Athletic down here, pushed Allen's name a while back as someone UT should go after if Pruitt were let go. Yet the fanbase seemed to remember the end of the Gator Bowl too much to get on board. Good. I have a feeling TA is too locked in to be interested in a job at a program under investigation, especially knowing where he has the IU program in comparison at this point. Now if they get turned down by their first 3 choices, I'll get nervous. 

[MemphisHoosier]

22 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I believe it's official now. Are we nervous? I really don't think we should be. Joe Rexrode, who writes for the Athletic down here, pushed Allen's name a while back as someone UT should go after if Pruitt were let go. Yet the fanbase seemed to remember the end of the Gator Bowl too much to get on board. Good. I have a feeling TA is too locked in to be interested in a job at a program under investigation, especially knowing where he has the IU program in comparison at this point. Now if they get turned down by their first 3 choices, I'll get nervous. 

@Nashville Hoosier Out of my own pure morbid curiosity, which names are you hearing floated around Knoxville at this point?

[NashvilleHoosier]

5 minutes ago, MemphisHoosier said:

@Nashville Hoosier Out of my own pure morbid curiosity, which names are you hearing floated around Knoxville at this point?

I don't really pay much attention to UT sports and I'm not near as in touch with UT alum friends these days either. I'm nowhere near having any inside info at all, so I likely don't have any different answer here than what you already know. Freeze is the name I see the most. The guy from Coastal as well. I've heard plenty of people say they would take Kiffin back. The funny thing is I think UT football is a pretty decent comparison to IU basketball. Previously far more successful, lots of history, has shown some signs of success but generally pretty mediocre in recent memory. UT fans think of their program as being elite, but it becomes a bit detached from reality. Logically, I don't think UT is anywhere near the historical relevance to college football that IU is to college hoops. When our fans throw out the best of the best names for coaches we think we could get and should get, I think it's far more based in reality than when UT football fans do the same. 

[MemphisHoosier]

7 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I don't really pay much attention to UT sports and I'm not near as in touch with UT alum friends these days either. I'm nowhere near having any inside info at all, so I likely don't have any different answer here than what you already know. Freeze is the name I see the most. The guy from Coastal as well. I've heard plenty of people say they would take Kiffin back. The funny thing is I think UT football is a pretty decent comparison to IU basketball. Previously far more successful, lots of history, has shown some signs of success but generally pretty mediocre in recent memory. UT fans think of their program as being elite, but it becomes a bit detached from reality. Logically, I don't think UT is anywhere near the historical relevance to college football that IU is to college hoops. When our fans throw out the best of the best names for coaches we think we could get and should get, I think it's far more based in reality than when UT football fans do the same. 

Solid parallel, thanks for sharing my friend - I appreciate the perspective!

[johnsoniu]

It should be open season on UT recruits. I know we offered a handful that chose them, time for some follow up calls.

For that matter, with the current transfer rules, it should be open season on their whole roster lol. Tell Warren to stop in Knoxville on his way up and send out some feelers.

[Hovadipo]

Tennessee is Kelvin Sampsoning their own football program. Will be interesting to see who their Tom Crean is.