Yogi CAN dunk!!

[Kepner 1,261]

Disagree.  He had Sheehey and Vonleh one year (an NBA lottery pick and a kid who played a significant role 4 years in the same system), and he had another McDonald's all american (Blackmon) the next year, along with a vastly improved Troy Williams (who may well be another lottery pick) the next.  Yogi's had more "help" than most guards in the country.

 

Yogi is a very solid college guard.  He's OUR solid college guard, but that doesn't make him a better player than he is.  Yogi has displayed awful shot selection several times, poor decision making others.  He's also a streaky shooter who's won some games for us, and a very creative and efficient passer in transition.   He's still a 43% career shooter who took 2x as many shots as the rest of his team 2 years ago.  You say he had no help.  I say he didn't use his help, didn't make anyone better, and his team ended up missing the post-season.  He's a scorer first, with a very vanilla A/TO ratio.   He's just fine.  I like him.  He needs a lot of help to be at his best.  This year...he has more.  Hopefully, that'll make him better.

Sheehey was a shell of himself his senior year and Vonleh had games where he didn't show up. The same can be said about Williams and Blackmon Jr last year. None of the four players you mentioned could be counted on every game. Some games they'd show up and other games they would disappear completely. If Yogi wasn't here the last few years, this team finishes at the bottom of the Big Ten. Even the games we lost by a few points, Yogi kept us in them. 

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Disagree.  He had Sheehey and Vonleh one year (an NBA lottery pick and a kid who played a significant role 4 years in the same system), and he had another McDonald's all american (Blackmon) the next year, along with a vastly improved Troy Williams (who may well be another lottery pick) the next.  Yogi's had more "help" than most guards in the country.

 

Yogi is a very solid college guard.  He's OUR solid college guard, but that doesn't make him a better player than he is.  Yogi has displayed awful shot selection several times, poor decision making others.  He's also a streaky shooter who's won some games for us, and a very creative and efficient passer in transition.   He's still a 43% career shooter who took 2x as many shots as the rest of his team 2 years ago.  You say he had no help.  I say he didn't use his help, didn't make anyone better, and his team ended up missing the post-season.  He's a scorer first, with a very vanilla A/TO ratio.   He's just fine.  I like him.  He needs a lot of help to be at his best.  This year...he has more.  Hopefully, that'll make him better.

Isn't Sheehey the same guy who sat inside Kilroy's laughing and telling jokes because he knew Yogi was getting arrested outside?

 

Great leader. Almost as good a leader as he is a starter.

[bleedhoosier 3,627]

We haven't had a leader-player since jordy and crew left.. That's sad

[Old Friend 8,389]

Sheehey was a shell of himself his senior year and Vonleh had games where he didn't show up. The same can be said about Williams and Blackmon Jr last year. None of the four players you mentioned could be counted on every game. Some games they'd show up and other games they would disappear completely. If Yogi wasn't here the last few years, this team finishes at the bottom of the Big Ten. Even the games we lost by a few points, Yogi kept us in them. 

Isn't it part of the point guard's job to get the ball to people where they need it and run the offense so the team is most efficient?   I agree with everything you said, but I also think Yogi's play had a lot to do with that.  Crean's offense did too; but here you have a very good point guard taking 2x as many shots as anyone else on the team.  That's on Yogi.  That's selfish basketball that will never win at this level.  It's also on Crean, I get that; but blaming the people around him ignores the real story.  The reason WHY they weren't helpful had more to do with Yogi I think than it did them.  Not having shooters around him hurt, but we fixed that a year ago and still finished 7th.   

 

 I don't see the world from a perspective of "it would have been even worse without ______."  So your last point is sort of "eh," for me.   We finished 8th and missed the post season.  We finished 7th and lost in the first round.  That's awful by Indiana's standards, and Yogi's had plenty of talent around him to do better than that.  

 

I like Yogi.  Really...I do.  He's going to go down as one of the better guards to play at IU.  I just don't think he's a great leader and I think since he's "ours" he gets put on a pedestal that's a little too high, and I've been frustrated with him and his shot selection frequently.   He's a 42% career shooter.  Taking far more  shots than anyone else on his teams.  That's not good for a point guard, whether you love him or not.

[mdn82 25,510]

So Yogi dunked huh? I am of the personal opinion to start a new thread if anyone is this opinionated over this type of subject. Please do not turn a thread that has no bearing whatsoever on what this was turned into.

[Chips&Dipo 1,461]

I remember a video of him trying to dunk it and not being able to that he posted with him and hanner his freshman year. Cool to see that he can now.

[Trish 11,505]

Yogi isn't as short as people say he is. He is legit six foot. 

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Yogi isn't as short as people say he is. He is legit six foot. 

Maybe if he grows his hair out. I've met him and we were exactly the same height. I am not a legit six foot, though, I would expect the team to tell people I am.

 

Unless he's grown in the past couple of years. Which, would be awesome for him. If he can get to a legit six foot it changes up his draft picture some.

[Chips&Dipo 1,461]

Yogi isn't as short as people say he is. He is legit six foot. 

I served McNutt C-store sandwiches to him is freshman year. He was shorter than me and I am a bit above six foot.

[coonhounds 8,787]

I served McNutt C-store sandwiches to him is freshman year. He was shorter than me and I am a bit above six foot.

if u r a bit over six foot r u saying he is or isn't six foot?

[HoosierTrav 7,727]

Yes. Let's do that. Let's blow something out of proportion because you don't like it. (accuracy and reality don't matter) Always productive. Or, let's inflate him to something he isn't because we like him. You choose.

To be honest, I'm not sure your positions on Yogi are accurate at all. Yogi is a great point guard and you will soon find out how lucky we were to have him. I disagree with nearly all of your criticisms of him. Nothing against you personally. I just think you're flat out wrong here.

[mdn82 25,510]

To be honest, I'm not sure your positions on Yogi are accurate at all. Yogi is a great point guard and you will soon find out how lucky we were to have him. I disagree with nearly all of your criticisms of him. Nothing against you personally. I just think you're flat out wrong here.

Please start another thread for that. Last warning for everyone.