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[HoosierD 504]

A little bit. Quentin Snider was slightly bigger and a composite #38 and 247 #53.

I kind of get this comparison based on the whole floor general tag, near same size, below the rim type.

But again, Snider was quite a bit more widely regarded. Maybe it's like Pap said, and RP can blame his AAU team for that. Idk.



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How many true pg's actually play "above the rim" in each class?


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I watched about 90% of Snider's games and with the exception of a few. I haven't seen a great PG. A little better than average with lots of talent behind him. I think RP has just as high of ceiling as Snider.

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[hoosierpap 14,300]

So this height at PG myth needs to be disproven. I'm tired of seeing it and almost posted about it like two weeks ago but got distracted.

 

National Champs:

2017- UNC- PG- Joel Berry- 6'0

2016-Nova- PG- Jalen Brunson-6'3

2015-  Duke- PG- Tyus Jones- 6'1

2014- UCONN- Shabazz Napier- PG- 6'1

2013- UL- PG- Peyton Siva-  6'0

2012- UK--PG- Marquis Teague- 6'2

2011-UCONN- PG- Kemba Walker- 6'1

2010- Duke- PG- Nolan Smith- 6'2

2009- UNC- PG- Ty Lawson- 5'11

2008- KU- PG- Mario Chalmers- 6'2/ Sherron Collins-5'11

2007- UF- PG- Taurean Green- 6'0

2006- UF-PG- Taurean Green- 6'0

2005- UNC- PG- Raymond Felton- 6'1

 

Okay. That's 12 years. That's modern day college basketball. That's an average height of 6'0 PG for national championship winners. There is literally no positive correlation between above avg height in PG's and national championships. If you think I'm cherry picking 12 years, keep going- it's only going to get worse for you. 

Again, the height thing is not me saying I would rather have RP at 6'0 than 6'6 as my PG...it's me saying height isn't the thing to focus on with PG. Sure, all things equal, duh- I want the taller guy. But waaayy more goes into it at PG. Give me talent, ball handling, ball control, leadership, IQ(O and D), passing ability, defensive fundamentals, cleverness, shooting, quickness - pretty much everything before height. 

I think IU fans have PTSD with regards to the Syracuse blunder. I was there, 3rd row. Crean was screaming nonsense. IU got beat because they had a terrible gameplan to attack a zone, not because Michael Carter-Williams was 6'6. It was one game and it was a mistake at the top. 

*This is probably broader than RP, and probably CCG is going to PM me about our own rules regarding the recruiting forum. But, yolo?

 

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29 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

 

You've basically nailed my position on the matter.


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That's because you're a wise, wise man :)

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27 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

So this height at PG myth needs to be disproven. I'm tired of seeing it and almost posted about it like two weeks ago but got distracted.

 

National Champs:

2017- UNC- PG- Joel Berry- 6'0

2016-Nova- PG- Jalen Brunson-6'3

2015-  Duke- PG- Tyus Jones- 6'1

2014- UCONN- Shabazz Napier- PG- 6'1

2013- UL- PG- Peyton Siva-  6'0

2012- UK--PG- Marquis Teague- 6'2

2011-UCONN- PG- Kemba Walker- 6'1

2010- Duke- PG- Nolan Smith- 6'2

2009- UNC- PG- Ty Lawson- 5'11

2008- KU- PG- Mario Chalmers- 6'2/ Sherron Collins-5'11

2007- UF- PG- Taurean Green- 6'0

2006- UF-PG- Taurean Green- 6'0

2005- UNC- PG- Raymond Felton- 6'1

 

Okay. That's 12 years. That's modern day college basketball. That's an average height of 6'0 PG for national championship winners. There is literally no positive correlation between above avg height in PG's and national championships. If you think I'm cherry picking 12 years, keep going- it's only going to get worse for you. 

Again, the height thing is not me saying I would rather have RP at 6'0 than 6'6 as my PG...it's me saying height isn't the thing to focus on with PG. Sure, all things equal, duh- I want the taller guy. But waaayy more goes into it at PG. Give me talent, ball handling, ball control, leadership, IQ(O and D), passing ability, defensive fundamentals, cleverness, shooting, quickness - pretty much everything before height. 

I think IU fans have PTSD with regards to the Syracuse blunder. I was there, 3rd row. Crean was screaming nonsense. IU got beat because they had a terrible gameplan to attack a zone, not because Michael Carter-Williams was 6'6. It was one game and it was a mistake at the top. 

*This is probably broader than RP, and probably CCG is going to PM me about our own rules regarding the recruiting forum. But, yolo?

 

That's fascinating. Thanks for posting Pap, probably my favorite post of the year tbh just because I wouldn't have guessed that either. 

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Wait, Ziggy is lurking??

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,835]

So this height at PG myth needs to be disproven. I'm tired of seeing it and almost posted about it like two weeks ago but got distracted.
 
National Champs:
2017- UNC- PG- Joel Berry- 6'0
2016-Nova- PG- Jalen Brunson-6'3
2015-  Duke- PG- Tyus Jones- 6'1
2014- UCONN- Shabazz Napier- PG- 6'1
2013- UL- PG- Peyton Siva-  6'0
2012- UK--PG- Marquis Teague- 6'2
2011-UCONN- PG- Kemba Walker- 6'1
2010- Duke- PG- Nolan Smith- 6'2
2009- UNC- PG- Ty Lawson- 5'11
2008- KU- PG- Mario Chalmers- 6'2/ Sherron Collins-5'11
2007- UF- PG- Taurean Green- 6'0
2006- UF-PG- Taurean Green- 6'0
2005- UNC- PG- Raymond Felton- 6'1
 
Okay. That's 12 years. That's modern day college basketball. That's an average height of 6'0 PG for national championship winners. There is literally no positive correlation between above avg height in PG's and national championships. If you think I'm cherry picking 12 years, keep going- it's only going to get worse for you. 
Again, the height thing is not me saying I would rather have RP at 6'0 than 6'6 as my PG...it's me saying height isn't the thing to focus on with PG. Sure, all things equal, duh- I want the taller guy. But waaayy more goes into it at PG. Give me talent, ball handling, ball control, leadership, IQ(O and D), passing ability, defensive fundamentals, cleverness, shooting, quickness - pretty much everything before height. 
I think IU fans have PTSD with regards to the Syracuse blunder. I was there, 3rd row. Crean was screaming nonsense. IU got beat because they had a terrible gameplan to attack a zone, not because Michael Carter-Williams was 6'6. It was one game and it was a mistake at the top. 
*This is probably broader than RP, and probably CCG is going to PM me about our own rules regarding the recruiting forum. But, yolo?
 

Love this

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RP reminds me a lot of Quenten Snyder of Louisville a couple years back. Played with very good talent around him.

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I hope pray and plead he is not, I think Snider is one of the worst starting PG I've ever watched consistently at an elite level.



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3 hours ago, hoosierpap said:

So this height at PG myth needs to be disproven. I'm tired of seeing it and almost posted about it like two weeks ago but got distracted.

 

National Champs:

2017- UNC- PG- Joel Berry- 6'0

2016-Nova- PG- Jalen Brunson-6'3

2015-  Duke- PG- Tyus Jones- 6'1

2014- UCONN- Shabazz Napier- PG- 6'1

2013- UL- PG- Peyton Siva-  6'0

2012- UK--PG- Marquis Teague- 6'2

2011-UCONN- PG- Kemba Walker- 6'1

2010- Duke- PG- Nolan Smith- 6'2

2009- UNC- PG- Ty Lawson- 5'11

2008- KU- PG- Mario Chalmers- 6'2/ Sherron Collins-5'11

2007- UF- PG- Taurean Green- 6'0

2006- UF-PG- Taurean Green- 6'0

2005- UNC- PG- Raymond Felton- 6'1

 

Okay. That's 12 years. That's modern day college basketball. That's an average height of 6'0 PG for national championship winners. There is literally no positive correlation between above avg height in PG's and national championships. If you think I'm cherry picking 12 years, keep going- it's only going to get worse for you. 

Again, the height thing is not me saying I would rather have RP at 6'0 than 6'6 as my PG...it's me saying height isn't the thing to focus on with PG. Sure, all things equal, duh- I want the taller guy. But waaayy more goes into it at PG. Give me talent, ball handling, ball control, leadership, IQ(O and D), passing ability, defensive fundamentals, cleverness, shooting, quickness - pretty much everything before height. 

I think IU fans have PTSD with regards to the Syracuse blunder. I was there, 3rd row. Crean was screaming nonsense. IU got beat because they had a terrible gameplan to attack a zone, not because Michael Carter-Williams was 6'6. It was one game and it was a mistake at the top. 

*This is probably broader than RP, and probably CCG is going to PM me about our own rules regarding the recruiting forum. But, yolo?

 

Great post.  Proves that narratives can grow legs all by themselves.  

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Great post.  Proves that narratives can grow legs all by themselves.  

Initially the height issue regarding RP, was because he is listed at 5'11".

Rabjohns says he is 6'1". If true it makes a huge difference to me still.

Often times when a player is listed it's a generous number, if you don't get the 6'0" bump you are short.

Paps list is awesome, but to me the 5'11" concerns would still exist.

At 6'1" I feel much better.


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Initially the height issue regarding RP, was because he is listed at 5'11".

Rabjohns says he is 6'1". If true it makes a huge difference to me still.

Often times when a player is listed it's a generous number, if you don't get the 6'0" bump you are short.

Paps list is awesome, but to me the 5'11" concerns would still exist.

At 6'1" I feel much better.


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His list will be over 6'0". The players Pap listed are living by the same rules and their list height is generous too. Of all things for RP his height will not be an issue.


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1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Initially the height issue regarding RP, was because he is listed at 5'11".

Rabjohns says he is 6'1". If true it makes a huge difference to me still.

Often times when a player is listed it's a generous number, if you don't get the 6'0" bump you are short.

Paps list is awesome, but to me the 5'11" concerns would still exist.

At 6'1" I feel much better.


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I just meant the narrative that you need height as a point guard.  That's been perpetuated since Magic Johnson.

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11 hours ago, hoosierpap said:

So this height at PG myth needs to be disproven. I'm tired of seeing it and almost posted about it like two weeks ago but got distracted.

 

National Champs:

2017- UNC- PG- Joel Berry- 6'0

2016-Nova- PG- Jalen Brunson-6'3

2015-  Duke- PG- Tyus Jones- 6'1

2014- UCONN- Shabazz Napier- PG- 6'1

2013- UL- PG- Peyton Siva-  6'0

2012- UK--PG- Marquis Teague- 6'2

2011-UCONN- PG- Kemba Walker- 6'1

2010- Duke- PG- Nolan Smith- 6'2

2009- UNC- PG- Ty Lawson- 5'11

2008- KU- PG- Mario Chalmers- 6'2/ Sherron Collins-5'11

2007- UF- PG- Taurean Green- 6'0

2006- UF-PG- Taurean Green- 6'0

2005- UNC- PG- Raymond Felton- 6'1

 

Okay. That's 12 years. That's modern day college basketball. That's an average height of 6'0 PG for national championship winners. There is literally no positive correlation between above avg height in PG's and national championships. If you think I'm cherry picking 12 years, keep going- it's only going to get worse for you. 

Again, the height thing is not me saying I would rather have RP at 6'0 than 6'6 as my PG...it's me saying height isn't the thing to focus on with PG. Sure, all things equal, duh- I want the taller guy. But waaayy more goes into it at PG. Give me talent, ball handling, ball control, leadership, IQ(O and D), passing ability, defensive fundamentals, cleverness, shooting, quickness - pretty much everything before height. 

I think IU fans have PTSD with regards to the Syracuse blunder. I was there, 3rd row. Crean was screaming nonsense. IU got beat because they had a terrible gameplan to attack a zone, not because Michael Carter-Williams was 6'6. It was one game and it was a mistake at the top. 

*This is probably broader than RP, and probably CCG is going to PM me about our own rules regarding the recruiting forum. But, yolo?

 

Boy do I have a story for you about the game plan for that game. I would say you wouldn't believe it but after 8 years with Crean you wouldn't be surprised.

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Boy do I have a story for you about the game plan for that game. I would say you wouldn't believe it but after 8 years with Crean you wouldn't be surprised.

Please share. PM if necessary.


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2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Boy do I have a story for you about the game plan for that game. I would say you wouldn't believe it but after 8 years with Crean you wouldn't be surprised.

 

Did it involve a trunk full of midgets and a gallon of cooking oil? Cause even that wouldn't surprise me.

 

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14 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Please share. PM if necessary.


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It says you can't recieve PM's

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Can't put it on the forum? I'd love to hear!

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Put it on the forum! 

I'll take a PM if you can't do that.

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It's just another instance of Crean asking a member of the staff to do something, than after it's done, he decided his way would be better. As we saw in the game Crean's way was not very good against Syracuse. 

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I would love a PM also please?