(2016) SG Grant Gelon commits to IU

[Crimson and Cream 5,953]

Should be a shot clock in high school bball. 

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

Should be a shot clock in high school bball.

No chance.

[MikeRoberts 7,941]

Relax pal.

just quoting madaboutindiana

[Stuhoo 88,599]

how can I not? By all accounts of people that have seen them play, he is the better talent.

Are you asserting that Gelon is the better talent? If so, how in the hell can you determine this?

 

See: Blackmon, Vijay. Stefanovic is that team's alpha dog - 'ball in his hands' kid. In college, Stefanovic will never, never play that role. Much like Vijay is not a good fit for IU, and will never be a high major alpha dog. 

 

Both may be better "talents" than Gelon. That doesn't mean they'll be more effective D1 high major basketball players.

 

Having said that, I have no idea whatsoever whether Gelon will be a: 

1. Priller (oops!), or a
2. Roth/Zeisloft/Kyle Hornsby (yippee!).

I do know that because of his quick release and his catch/shoot ability we're bringing him in. Hoping the coaching staff identified the right kid for that future role.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 89,857]

Great game plan by Warsaw and they really stuck it to Crown Point.  Great match-up next weekend with Warsaw vs. McCutcheon and Robert Phinisee for the semi-state.

 

MICHIGAN CITY --- "This is boring! This is boring!"

As Warsaw painstakingly held the basketball in the first half of Saturday's Class 4A Michigan City Regional championship, the Crown Point student section implored the Tigers to pick up the pace.

But Warsaw didn't get to 25-1 and one win from the state finals by being anything but patient on offense.

The Tigers secured an early eight-point lead and put the game in the deep freeze, icing the frustrated Bulldogs with their deliberate style that carried them to a 46-33 triumph and a trip to semistate and a matchup with McCutcheon.

"A team like us, we're up five, it's like 15," Tigers point guard Paul Marendet said. "It's hard to come back. That's our game. We frustrate the opposition. We just want to win, whatever it takes. They can not like how we play. That's fine, but we're regional champs."

Marendet set the plan in motion, slow motion that is, scoring the Tigers' first 10 points to stake them to a 10-2 second-quarter advantage over cold-shooting C.P.

"That's it right there," Bulldogs coach Clint Swan said. "We had to get off to a better start. They're a really good team. They're 25-1 for a reason. They mentally wear you down. Our style being what it is, we have to make shots and they didn't go down. We missed shots we normally hit. We were tired, but that's no excuse. They were tired, too."

The Bulldogs went 1 of 10 from the field in the first eight minutes and 3-of-16 for the half, including nothing of seven from the arc, yet managed to stay within four with a football-like 13-9 halftime score.

"I liked where we were at," Swan said. "The start of the first and third quarters did us in. We got off to another slow start. You have to seize the opportunities."

 

But it didn't Kyle Mangas warmed up quickly following an 0-for-5 start. burying three third-quarter treys and C.P. along with it. He notched 11 Warsaw points and the margin quickly went to 10 as the Bulldogs (19-9) continued to misfire.

Crown Point picked up the pace, pressing and trapping, but Warsaw kept it at bay with free throws, 16 of 19 in the fourth quarter, the very method that helped the 'Dogs reach this point.

"They make you pay the price," Swan said. "The times we did turn them over, we couldn't convert them into made shots. It's a tough place to be, behind a team like that."

Mangus booked all 18 of his points in the second half. Marendet scored the same. No other Tiger had more than three.

Grant Gelon topped C.P. with nine, all coming on fourth-quarter triples. The 'Dogs shot 12 of 47, that aided by a loose final few minutes, and was 4 of 28 (14 percent) from the arc.

C.P., which lost 77-74 in last year's final to South Bend Riley, was playing for its first regional title since 1998, the only team it has advanced that far in the tournament.

"Special," Swan said of his graduating group. "This senior class was in third grade when I came here. It's the first group to come up all the way through our youth league to their senior year. We were in a bad place when they were freshmen. Brick by brick, they built us back up. I'm gonna miss 'em. I'm hoping the younger kids took a lot of notes because that's how you do it."

Warsaw's last regional title came in 2010, when it was state runner-up.

Given their method of play, the Tigers were no stranger to suspense this season, winning 10 games by single digits. Five of those came in overtime, including a 42-38 victory over Lake Central and the regional semifinal against Riley. Warsaw also topped LaPorte 53-48. Its sole regular-season loss was to Carmel.

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

I have zero respect for coaches who deploy stall ball in non game ending situations or overtime.

It's absolutely ridiculous and unfair to the kids involved. Some coaches really are in it for the wrong reasons.

[Hoosier DaDa 3,756]

I have zero respect for coaches who deploy stall ball in non game ending situations or overtime.
It's absolutely ridiculous and unfair to the kids involved. Some coaches really are in it for the wrong reasons.

I'm sorry but disagree. I think a coach who knows his team's abilities and uses whatever tactics available to win is smart.

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

I'm sorry but disagree. I think a coach who knows his team's abilities and uses whatever tactics available to win is smart.

Standing is not a basketball skill.

To me winning means going for it, leaving it all out there. JMO no hard feelings

[Alford Bailey 13,190]

I have zero respect for coaches who deploy stall ball in non game ending situations or overtime.

It's absolutely ridiculous and unfair to the kids involved. Some coaches really are in it for the wrong reasons.

I absolutely love it. Great game plan. Frustrate the opponent. Crown Point shot 12 of 47 so not like they werent getting shots.

[Hovadipo 61,307]

Standing is not a basketball skill.

To me winning means going for it, leaving it all out there. JMO no hard feelings

Probably a discussion for another thread, but in my opinion if you don't want to be stalled on, play defense and don't let the other team stand there.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

Standing is not a basketball skill.

To me winning means going for it, leaving it all out there. JMO no hard feelings

Ah. But ball control is very much a part of the game. One team shows their advance skill.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 89,857]

It may not be exciting, but it doesn't bother me.  It takes a degree of basketball talent to control the ball for extended minutes without making a careless mistake especially with 16 - 18 year olds who play NBA style on the playground.  On the other side of the coin, if you can't put enough pressure on the defensive side to force mistakes or you give up easy back door lay-ups, then you're not that talented or well-coached on the defensive side of the ball.  I've seen McCutcheon play numerous games and while they don't play stall ball, they can be a wonderfully patient team with sharp crisp passing and very few turnovers.  I find it refreshing to watch vs. the cross mid-court, make 1 or 2 passes and heave up a 3.

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

Probably a discussion for another thread, but in my opinion if you don't want to be stalled on, play defense and don't let the other team stand there.

Agree with this. Didn't see Crown Point so I don't know what they chose to do.

However, I find it hard to define stalling as "ball control." It isn't basketball. I'm not speaking to taking time off of the clock. Talking about literally holding the ball up top for an entire quarter. That's called look at me coaching

[BlueDevil 9,549]

I'm interested to see how this stall ball approach will work against mccutcheon who is VERY active on the defensive side of the ball. Mccutcheon gets a lot of their offense started on the defensive end with quick hands and getting out on the fastbreak. I think Phinisee will give them fits.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

Agree with this. Didn't see Crown Point so I don't know what they chose to do.

However, I find it hard to define stalling as "ball control." It isn't basketball. I'm not speaking to taking time off of the clock. Talking about literally holding the ball up top for an entire quarter. That's called look at me coaching

High school rules still have the 5 second count. Get up on your man if you don't want them to stand.

[323SGrant 1,176]

I have zero respect for coaches who deploy stall ball in non game ending situations or overtime.

It's absolutely ridiculous and unfair to the kids involved. Some coaches really are in it for the wrong reasons.

[323SGrant 1,176]

The Coach should do anything within the rules to win the game.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 89,857]

I don't follow Warsaw basketball so I have no idea what kind of offense they typically run but they've only lost 1 game, so they're doing something right.  Yes, it was only 13 - 9 at halftime, but Warsaw scored 33 points in the 2nd half, so clearly they didn't play stall ball the entire game.  My take is they wanted to prevent Crown Point from getting into any kind of rhythm with outside shooting and it worked.

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

I'm interested to see how this stall ball approach will work against mccutcheon who is VERY active on the defensive side of the ball. Mccutcheon gets a lot of their offense started on the defensive end with quick hands and getting out on the fastbreak. I think Phinisee will give them fits.

Rob Phinisee is a must get for Tom Crean. Must be why he was there yesterday. Kid is the perfect point guard for Crean's offensive concepts. Hell of a player

[hoosierwhodey 1,256]

Rob Phinisee is a must get for Tom Crean. Must be why he was there yesterday. Kid is the perfect point guard for Crean's offensive concepts. Hell of a player

How is he as a shooter?