NCAA Considering Freshman Ineligibility

[LIHoosier 27,177]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25067832/freshman-ineligibility-ncaa-commissioners-at-least-considering-it

 

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[bnkepner 1,509]

Dumb idea. This would not be any sort of solution at all. The NCAA needs to work hand in hand with the NBA to find a solution. Both sides need to sit down and figure something out that helps both leagues. The NBA is not as competitive as it used to be and one reason is that too many players are getting to the NBA without enough experience in the game (that can be traced to the awful AAU leagues but thats another discussion). The NBA would benefit from better prepared players and the NCAA would benefit from having players stay longer

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Works for me. If your not here to "play" school, then we don't need you to play ball. Freshman ineligibility would improve the college game.

[Bobman1 2,909]

Works for me. If your not here to "play" school, then we don't need you to play ball. Freshman ineligibility would improve the college game.

and the NBA, the players would be prepared much better and the talent level would be much better. Look at Noah, he was drafted solely off of potential and he's in the d league now. If he stayed four years, he'd be able to compete in the NBA and wouldn't have been sent down to the Development league. The only thing id be afraid of would be Kentucky.

[ou812dude 3,326]

the NBA is also considering an age minimum of 20 to play in the league...

that still puts the top talent available to college ball for 2 to 3 years...

if anything, it probably will help the likes of UK as most changes seemingly do.

[Scooter D 928]

I think that this is a great idea. Personally, I don't care about the NBA, so I would see it as a big middle finger to the NBA and the stupid one-and-done rule. It would certainly make college hoops better. You would get better player development and hopefully more roster stability. But sadly, in this day, it will never happen. At the very least they should do it so that it shows that colleges and universities are about the kids and academic and not all about the almighty dollar.

[LIHoosier 27,177]

the NBA is also considering an age minimum of 20 to play in the league...

that still puts the top talent available to college ball for 2 to 3 years...

if anything, it probably will help the likes of UK as most changes seemingly do.

Well, the new NBAPA director said this about one and done recently...

 

On Friday, union executive director Michele Roberts made her position on raising the age limit to 20 very clear when she said: "Be happy with one-and-done; it's not going to be two-and-done."

 

:negative:

[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

I hope the NBA & NCAA can work together on some type of plan... I am not really a big fan of making the Freshman ineligible however if the NBA would raise the age limit that would be a great thing for both... I don't follow NBA but from waht I have read the product suffers from too many players coming in and not being NBA ready... and in College some say it suffers because the best talent leaves quickly... If the NBA were to raise the age requirement that would force players to stay in college a little longer, which in turn forces them to be actual "STUDENT" Athletes... as they would have to actually attend more than 1 semester and keep good grades in order to be able to play the 2nd year.

 

I really feel like this Freshman ineligibility is really just the NCAA's bluff to the NBA to try to help move along the new commissioners agenda to raise the age requirement. NBA doesn't want the NCAA to do this I wouldn't think as then these GREAT talents will be forced to not competitively play the game for a year which would not help them be NBA ready.

[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

Well, the new NBAPA director said this about one and done recently...

 

On Friday, union executive director Michele Roberts made her position on raising the age limit to 20 very clear when she said: "Be happy with one-and-done; it's not going to be two-and-done."

 

:negative:

Not sure what say a NBAPA Union director has in all of this? College players are not part of the union. If the NBA decides to set an age requirement (or in this case raise an age requirement) all the union could do would be look out for the interest of its members, all of which would be unaffected by the new requirement.

Adam Silver and her will probably keep fighting about it but I think this is more in his wheel house and he controls if this happens or not once all is said and done.

 

And if the NBAPA does somehow stop it they will hurt their product even more if the NCAA goes through with the threat of Freshman ineligibility.

[LIHoosier 27,177]

Str8, I believe that the age entry is part of the CBA, so the union would be able to negotiate that. From the union's perspective, having players have as many years as possible to make NBA $ is beneficial to them; whether it makes the end product better or worse is in the eye of the beholder.

[87ashtonhoosier 150]

It used to be the rule that freshmen were ineligible to play college varsity sports, circa 1970 and before. That's why most records are held by players from the mid-70'son, four years eligibility verses three.

[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

Str8, I believe that the age entry is part of the CBA, so the union would be able to negotiate that. From the union's perspective, having players have as many years as possible to make NBA $ is beneficial to them; whether it makes the end product better or worse is in the eye of the beholder.

Could be, I was just guessing/assuming really... I just assumed the job was to do the best interest for it's members... But it could include future members in which case the more years you can play and the more $ you can make is beneficial.....

Thanks for the info.

[87ashtonhoosier 150]

and the NBA, the players would be prepared much better and the talent level would be much better. Look at Noah, he was drafted solely off of potential and he's in the d league now. If he stayed four years, he'd be able to compete in the NBA and wouldn't have been sent down to the Development league. The only thing id be afraid of would be Kentucky.

Right on, but most shady teams like older players. Perfect example, UNLV 1990 team, average age 25, all straight to the NBA or prison. Let KU continue, enough rope will hang them.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Could be, I was just guessing/assuming really... I just assumed the job was to do the best interest for it's members... But it could include future members in which case the more years you can lpay and the more $ you can make is beneficial.....

Thanks for the info.

Yeah, IIRC the players union is a major obstacle in getting this done. They have a lot of power in approving this. Not sure why, but that is my impression.

[yogisballin 2,408]

Dumb idea. This would not be any sort of solution at all. The NCAA needs to work hand in hand with the NBA to find a solution. Both sides need to sit down and figure something out that helps both leagues. The NBA is not as competitive as it used to be and one reason is that too many players are getting to the NBA without enough experience in the game (that can be traced to the awful AAU leagues but thats another discussion). The NBA would benefit from better prepared players and the NCAA would benefit from having players stay longer

Couldn't agree with you more. College bball is really hurting right now. My interest is way down from years past. And I've always loved college bball. The NBA brand is good right now, however I fear in a few years it could start hurting again with these one and done's. How many year in and year out are fading to eventually never hearing from again? These 5 star kids are getting more and more few and far between. You've got 2/3 star kids going to school for 3-4 yrs, working hard on their game and then going and making a name for theirselves in the league. Klay Thompson, Vic Oladipo, Steph Curry, Damian Lillard, Khris Middleton, this list goes on.

[BGleas 8,133]

This is correct. The age requirement is something that has to be collectively bargained between the owners and the players union.

Yeah, IIRC the players union is a major obstacle in getting this done. They have a lot of power in approving this. Not sure why, but that is my impression.

[drewheck 749]

They need to make the eligibility like college baseball either you go pro out of high school or if you play in college you have to be there for two years

[bnkepner 1,509]

and the NBA, the players would be prepared much better and the talent level would be much better. Look at Noah, he was drafted solely off of potential and he's in the d league now. If he stayed four years, he'd be able to compete in the NBA and wouldn't have been sent down to the Development league. The only thing id be afraid of would be Kentucky.

im not sure you understood the idea of freshman being ineligible. It would not help prepare kids for the NBA more. It would be the same as it is now. Kids would just go to the D league or to Asia for a year and play ball then onto the NBA. It would still be a one and done situation

[bnkepner 1,509]

Str8, I believe that the age entry is part of the CBA, so the union would be able to negotiate that. From the union's perspective, having players have as many years as possible to make NBA $ is beneficial to them; whether it makes the end product better or worse is in the eye of the beholder.

Rookie contracts don't fall under anything to do with the players union or CBA from what Ive read so the age players came in wouldn't affect other players in any way shape or form

[Hovadipo 59,060]

Rookie contracts don't fall under anything to do with the players union or CBA from what Ive read so the age players came in wouldn't affect other players in any way shape or form

No...rookie contracts are in the first section of the 2011 CBA. It's a huge deal with the NBPA and the CBA. There was also nearly a lockout in 2005 over disputes including minimum age.