Who this team is and where they're going

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,984]

My biggest fear for this season may be coming true. I'd be thrilled if Crean could win large and show improve. But a mediocre, or slightly better season will keep him at the helm just long enough to waste a few more seasons. I'd rather swing for the fences.

He'll win enough home games and crap non-con games to stay aboard. I'd be thrilled if he gave me hope that he could get IU to be a national powerhouse but I don't see it.

[Magnanimous 4,516]

My biggest fear for this season may be coming true. I'd be thrilled if Crean could win large and show improve. But a mediocre, or slightly better season will keep him at the helm just long enough to waste a few more seasons. I'd rather swing for the fences.

He'll win enough home games and crap non-con games to stay aboard. I'd be thrilled if he gave me hope that he could get IU to be a national powerhouse but I don't see it.

 

I think he's assured himself one more year. Unless there is a complete second half collapse this season, he'll be back. I doubt that will happen anyway as our schedule lightens up after Maryland. Plus you have to account for the buyout and when that significantly drops.

 

At this point though, it almost doesn't matter if he's back or not for one more year, as these problems are going to take a few years to correct anyway.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

CTC belongs in the MAC, where Dakich came from.

[Geometry Hoosier 1,151]

I try to stay positive on here, but it's hard to sometimes. Here's the way I see things.

Some games coach has impressed me with his decision making. Then there are the games where I'm left scratching my head, wondering if he forgot what was successful for him the game before.

I honestly fell like as long as IU wants to have the occasional good year mixed with general mediocrity, then CTC is the man. If IU wants to become a consistent top team, we better look elsewhere.

[jonz44 805]

My biggest fear for this season may be coming true. I'd be thrilled if Crean could win large and show improve. But a mediocre, or slightly better season will keep him at the helm just long enough to waste a few more seasons. I'd rather swing for the fences.

He'll win enough home games and crap non-con games to stay aboard. I'd be thrilled if he gave me hope that he could get IU to be a national powerhouse but I don't see it.

I am in total agreement with you and this is something I've stated all along. I DON'T want mediocre! Some will probably kill me for saying this but I'd rather we suck than be mediocre. Mediocre will bring us more years of the same thing. At least if we suck there will be no denying that we have to make a change. I really believe that for Crean it should be win big or go away time.

I'm not saying this because I dislike Crean and want him gone. As a matter of fact it's just the opposite. I'd much rather see him get it together and start winning big and stay for a long time...but if he doesn't let's all move on. Get it done or go away!

As I stated earlier I'm kinda willing to give him a pass on the first three seasons. The program was in shambles and he had to build it up. But the last 3.5 years?I think it's a disturbing trend. Only one of those years have we beat expectations. Zellers freshman year. His sophomore year? It was nice being ranked number one but when you get bounced in the sweet sixteen the number one ranking is kinda...meh. We have regressed from there.

I see absolutely no way that Crean is gone after this season unless some type of off court issue of a large magnitude comes up. I do feel though that he should be made to understand after this season that next year is sink or swim. Elite eight or better...or your gone! Results matter! Do better. Consistently!

If Glass has a problem firing Crean? Then somebody needs to tell him he's gone also!

[djsalway 4,161]

Amazing how people go from one end to the other after a couple losses.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Amazing how people go from one end to the other after a couple losses.

And instead of focusing on the success of the season thus far, let's go back to discussing where this program is headed in 3-5 years.

[crazywillie 192]

And instead of focusing on the success of the season thus far, let's go back to discussing where this program is headed in 3-5 years.

same place we are now...middle of the pack big ten team

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

same place we are now...middle of the pack big ten team

Two games out of first, one game out of second, and half a game out of third. That would put us at fourth for those of you keeping score at home.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

same place we are now...middle of the pack big ten team

Also, unless you're Wisconsin, who's easily the best team in the B1G, or one of the dumpster fire teams, the other 10 teams are all fairly equal and fighting it out to be in the top half of the conference. IU is in position to be in the top 5 by the end of the year.

[djsalway 4,161]

EVERYONE on this board would have taken a 5-3 record and 4th place in the B1G at the beginning of the season.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

and again, not taking shots but stating facts. Our preseason prediction was appalling and I place the blame on the coach. You don't seem to have any issue wit it. It denotes your loyalty to the coach. I'm being honest with my assessments, not taking shots.

I'd like to highlight that you're blaming Crean for the national media predicting, during the preseason, that we would finish 9-10th in the B1G. Crean is currently exceeding those predictions, and you accuse me of blind loyalty to the coach for stating that fact. Meanwhile, you're placing blame on the coach for preseason predictions.

[TrueHoosier62 1,592]

I've given up making any blunt albeit honest observations about either Crean or the team in general. It usually elicits too many arguments, and I'm the one that ends up hearing about it. It's much easier to sit here quietly, and watch things unfold. They are what they are.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,984]

Coach is very much involved in the preseason rankings.  His results from previous year, his players, his returning players, his recruited players, and his coaching go into preseason rankings.  Look at Michigan St, for example, they absolutely had less talent (national scouting wise) returning than we do but they still are ranked by most services in the 3-6 spots in the B1G.  The coach as a lot to do with rankings, regular or preseason. 

 

When is the last time you've seen UK, Kansas, OSU, Duke etc not ranked in the preseason top 25.  The bring in reinforcements as recruits and win year in and year out.  Crean doesn't do that, hence the poor preseason ranking.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I've given up making any blunt albeit honest observations about either Crean or the team in general. It usually elicits too many arguments, and I'm the one that ends up hearing about it. It's much easier to sit here quietly, and watch things unfold. They are what they are.

RMK looks so happy in your avi. He's a grizzled, cranky looking old bear these days.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Coach is very much involved in the preseason rankings. His results from previous year, his players, his returning players, his recruited players, and his coaching go into preseason rankings. Look at Michigan St, for example, they absolutely had less talent (national scouting wise) returning than we do but they still are ranked by most services in the 3-6 spots in the B1G. The coach as a lot to do with rankings, regular or preseason.

When is the last time you've seen UK, Kansas, OSU, Duke etc not ranked in the preseason top 25. The bring in reinforcements as recruits and win year in and year out. Crean doesn't do that, hence the poor preseason ranking.

Can't believe you're trying to defend that stance. The teams failure can be placed on coach. Preseason rankings are predictions made by analysts.

Coach is still putting together a good year with this roster. Any failures can be credited to him whether you want to call it roster management or coaching. But right now there's been more to be happy about this year. With 10 games left, we're only two wins away from matching last season's record. That is significant improvement season over season with limited roster additions and the loss of a McDAA, lottery pick center.

[KingPG21 6,583]

This site is funny. I think I over react to things, but man some of you flip some switch so readily between liking the state of the program and thinking we need to change now.

I've been really critical of Crean. Let's wait to see where we are at the end of the year, rather than the hills and valleys of the season

[Ratbastard 22]

I agree 100%!

[coonhounds 8,794]

If we lose at home to Rutgers then r we allowed to panic? I am not happy with the way this team play's on certain nights but if by some miracle we win the next two we r right back in this thing so let's keep a cool head for now. I dont agree with anybody who wants to blame posters for losing there minds or cliff jumping after last night because it was purdue and we looked terrible.

[Stuhoo 79,805]

When adversity strikes, that's when you have to be the most calm. Take a step back, stay strong, stay grounded and press on.

LL Cool J

 

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LL Cool J must have understood, on some level, that we'd very likely be 6-3 in conference after the Rutgers game at the halfway point of the B1G season.

 

Y'all need to relax just a little bit (or don't...what the hell do I care!) 

 

We are overachieving. The primary weakness of our team going into the season was size and physicality. Since then, we lost our two most effective remaining size/physicality players to injury. 

 

Even with that happening, we are very likely to be 6-3 (yes...6-3!!) in the B1G at the midway point, have discovered that freshmen Holt and Hoetzel are WAY better than we expected, and that a sophomore named Hartman is, instead of an end of the bench cheerleader, likely the kind of player that as a junior/senior could be the sixth man on a championship caliber team.

 

Yes, we played like crap last night. By the way...Purdue played GREAT. Their game plan was great, their fans were great, their energy level was great, and their very talented 7'0" big man was motivated, skilled, and fantastic.

 

R-E-L-A-X, discuss, and enjoy Indiana Hoosiers basketball.