IU vs. MSU Postgame

[schoosier 3,521]

Watched CTC's post-game wrap up on inside the hall earlier, and his comments to HMP were surprisingly pointed.  In CTC's years with the program this is the first time I have heard him address a player's work ethic and performance so bluntly.  Specifically he mentioned that HMP "hadn't worked" in his first two years with the program and that HMP was a "work in progress."  
 
This echos a lot of what gets tossed about on the board, but I must admit that I was surprised to hear CTC stat it.  Let's hope this is a wake up call to the players and staff.

Interesting that Crean mirrors my comments on the high school high light tape thread from a few days ago. Hanner was more athletic, aggressive, and better all around player 3 years ago. Just sad to have Cook Hall and a player with Hanner's ability and absolutely no work ethic. Another of Crean's project centers doesn't pan out. Its not like I'm surprised by Crean's comments; they show the desperation of his program and tenure specifically. With all the luck running off most of these projects its too bad he doesnt have the same keeping the few good ones he managed to get here.

[FKfootball 1,046]

We are a Big Ten team with a coach that should be in the A-10. Our team is built that way. Not hating on Crean, just saying he doesnt fit as a Big Ten coach. We need a big, physical team. Thats Indiana basketball.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I had basketball practice with my daughter last night, so I recorded the game.

 

Looked at the score after practice and could not bring myself to watch last night.

 

This will be the first game in over 14 years that I have not watched, but you guys have convinced me that nothing good can come from hitting the play button on the recording.

 

I was just starting to get a little excited about this team...

 

I'll just stick my head in the sand and wait for Saturday to come along....

 

Ranger---do yourself a favor---instead of PLAY---hit the DELETE button.

 

Otherwise you will be doing this:  :banghead:

 

 

[TrueHoosier62 1,593]

I think the topic of this thread would have better been stated as "IU versus MSU Postmortem". 

We had all the vitality of funeral home.

[Hutch89 2,939]

MSU dominated us like Rebel dominates these threads at 2am. 

[OliviaPope40 6,652]

OT :lol:

[drewheck 749]

I'm not surprised we lost I just thought it might be a closer game

[incrediboy 926]

We KNEW deep down a game like this was going to happen with the young roster we have. It was sort of the second coming of Eastern Washington only against a good team that we should have competed against but not necessarily beaten. I really expected this to happen a couple of games later, possibly at Illinois, especially if we had won this one and the two home games that follow.

 

Like the EW game, this was a case of young guys getting full of themselves and being humbled. Winning at Nebraska made it seem like going on the road was "no big deal." Well, guess what? In the B1G, going on the road is next to impossible without MAXIMUM effort. Yogi knew that and played accordingly. Hartman played decently, so did Zeis, although a couple of his usual sure shots didn't go down. For all the criticism I've leveled at Stan Robinson, I thought he gave 100% even if his decisions weren't always spot-on. Hoetzel, who looked completely overmatched earlier, does appear to getting it. In some ways he reminds me of Bryan Evans as a freshman, and if he can follow that course, he's going to be a lot better than I thought he could be. Troy? Hanner? Johnson? Blackmon Jr.? They all showed up for show and not for effort.

 

This team has proven it has to learn things the hard way, so chalk this one up as a lesson game, and let's move on. There's no doubt in my mind that Crean pounded these guys with the message of effort that fell upon deaf ears...again, you can't tell guys stuff they don't deep-down understand. My only criticism of Crean is that he didn't throw April out on the floor for a few minutes just to see what he'd do against these guys. What was there to lose by taking a look at him, especially if you're going to sit Troy and Hanner?

 

I couldn't believe the announcers were saying stuff like "can Indiana recover from a game like this?" I expect no hangover whatsoever. Much like Eastern Washington (and to a certain degree Louisville) I expect this game to make us better because we just got schooled (again) that throwing IU uniforms on the floor doesn't win anything.

 

We get a rematch with Sparty in our last regular-season game. I think we'll see a very different result. And I expect a maximum effort...and a win...Saturday.

[hoosha61 386]

We KNEW deep down a game like this was going to happen with the young roster we have. It was sort of the second coming of Eastern Washington only against a good team that we should have competed against but not necessarily beaten. I really expected this to happen a couple of games later, possibly at Illinois, especially if we had won this one and the two home games that follow.

Like the EW game, this was a case of young guys getting full of themselves and being humbled. Winning at Nebraska made it seem like going on the road was "no big deal." Well, guess what? In the B1G, going on the road is next to impossible without MAXIMUM effort. Yogi knew that and played accordingly. Hartman played decently, so did Zeis, although a couple of his usual sure shots didn't go down. For all the criticism I've leveled at Stan Robinson, I thought he gave 100% even if his decisions weren't always spot-on. Hoetzel, who looked completely overmatched earlier, does appear to getting it. In some ways he reminds me of Bryan Evans as a freshman, and if he can follow that course, he's going to be a lot better than I thought he could be. Troy? Hanner? Johnson? Blackmon Jr.? They all showed up for show and not for effort.

This team has proven it has to learn things the hard way, so chalk this one up as a lesson game, and let's move on. There's no doubt in my mind that Crean pounded these guys with the message of effort that fell upon deaf ears...again, you can't tell guys stuff they don't deep-down understand. My only criticism of Crean is that he didn't throw April out on the floor for a few minutes just to see what he'd do against these guys. What was there to lose by taking a look at him, especially if you're going to sit Troy and Hanner?

I couldn't believe the announcers were saying stuff like "can Indiana recover from a game like this?" I expect no hangover whatsoever. Much like Eastern Washington (and to a certain degree Louisville) I expect this game to make us better because we just got schooled (again) that throwing IU uniforms on the floor doesn't win anything.

We get a rematch with Sparty in our last regular-season game. I think we'll see a very different result. And I expect a maximum effort...and a win...Saturday.

woah, comparing Max to Evans? I like him a lot but that's a giant stretch.

[incrediboy 926]

woah, comparing Max to Evans? I like him a lot but that's a giant stretch

Unlike you, I didn't like Max at all until the last game or two. I thought he was a waste of a scholarship and a guy who would never be able to compete in the Big Ten. But recently, and especially in the MSU game, I'm changing my tune on him. Much like Evans, he usually knows what he's going to do with the ball when it gets to him, even if he's just swinging it to someone else. Evans was like that from the start. Bryan was too timid to shoot at the start, Max isn't, both are mid-sized guards with long-range shooting abilities. Evans was stronger, but Max might benefit from some time in the weight room. Call it intangibles, but I see similarities to Evans in the way Hoetzel plays the game. Will he develop? I now think he might whereas I gave him no chance earlier.

[Alford Bailey 12,421]

We KNEW deep down a game like this was going to happen with the young roster we have. It was sort of the second coming of Eastern Washington only against a good team that we should have competed against but not necessarily beaten. I really expected this to happen a couple of games later, possibly at Illinois, especially if we had won this one and the two home games that follow.

 

Like the EW game, this was a case of young guys getting full of themselves and being humbled. Winning at Nebraska made it seem like going on the road was "no big deal." Well, guess what? In the B1G, going on the road is next to impossible without MAXIMUM effort. Yogi knew that and played accordingly. Hartman played decently, so did Zeis, although a couple of his usual sure shots didn't go down. For all the criticism I've leveled at Stan Robinson, I thought he gave 100% even if his decisions weren't always spot-on. Hoetzel, who looked completely overmatched earlier, does appear to getting it. In some ways he reminds me of Bryan Evans as a freshman, and if he can follow that course, he's going to be a lot better than I thought he could be. Troy? Hanner? Johnson? Blackmon Jr.? They all showed up for show and not for effort.

 

This team has proven it has to learn things the hard way, so chalk this one up as a lesson game, and let's move on. There's no doubt in my mind that Crean pounded these guys with the message of effort that fell upon deaf ears...again, you can't tell guys stuff they don't deep-down understand. My only criticism of Crean is that he didn't throw April out on the floor for a few minutes just to see what he'd do against these guys. What was there to lose by taking a look at him, especially if you're going to sit Troy and Hanner?

 

I couldn't believe the announcers were saying stuff like "can Indiana recover from a game like this?" I expect no hangover whatsoever. Much like Eastern Washington (and to a certain degree Louisville) I expect this game to make us better because we just got schooled (again) that throwing IU uniforms on the floor doesn't win anything.

 

We get a rematch with Sparty in our last regular-season game. I think we'll see a very different result. And I expect a maximum effort...and a win...Saturday.

I hope that last game of the season against MSU means something.

[jonz44 810]

I had basketball practice with my daughter last night, so I recorded the game.

Looked at the score after practice and could not bring myself to watch last night.

This will be the first game in over 14 years that I have not watched, but you guys have convinced me that nothing good can come from hitting the play button on the recording.

I was just starting to get a little excited about this team...

I'll just stick my head in the sand and wait for Saturday to come along....

I'm on the tired but I DVRed it...kinda like you. I'll probably just delete it when I get home! Lol

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Unlike you, I didn't like Max at all until the last game or two. I thought he was a waste of a scholarship and a guy who would never be able to compete in the Big Ten. But recently, and especially in the MSU game, I'm changing my tune on him. Much like Evans, he usually knows what he's going to do with the ball when it gets to him, even if he's just swinging it to someone else. Evans was like that from the start. Bryan was too timid to shoot at the start, Max isn't, both are mid-sized guards with long-range shooting abilities. Evans was stronger, but Max might benefit from some time in the weight room. Call it intangibles, but I see similarities to Evans in the way Hoetzel plays the game. Will he develop? I now think he might whereas I gave him no chance earlier.

 

I've noticed his improvement as well----seems like the game is finally starting to slow down a little for Max and he's more relaxed---not rushing it as much---and not shooting it every time he touches the ball.
 

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

MSU dominated us like Rebel dominates these threads at 2am. 

 

Hey---somebody has to hold down the night shift!

 

Hoosier Nation never sleeps---baby! :yes:

[pappy1865 2,216]

Had to listen to Fisch on the tunein app here in Wyoming.  No way to get Big Ten Network.  If they play this bad, I'm almost glad I can't see them play.....

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I guarantee you Fisch was better.

 

It was so bad----the TV announcers weren't even paying attention to the game in the second half!

 

They stopped doing play by play and started talking about random topics!

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,780]

I guarantee you Fisch was better.

It was so bad----the TV announcers weren't even paying attention to the game in the second half!

They stopped doing play by play and started talking about random topics!

do u blame them? MSU could have executed a tornado drill and a tea party and we still wouldn't have been able to hit a shot.

[hoosha61 386]

Unlike you, I didn't like Max at all until the last game or two. I thought he was a waste of a scholarship and a guy who would never be able to compete in the Big Ten. But recently, and especially in the MSU game, I'm changing my tune on him. Much like Evans, he usually knows what he's going to do with the ball when it gets to him, even if he's just swinging it to someone else. Evans was like that from the start. Bryan was too timid to shoot at the start, Max isn't, both are mid-sized guards with long-range shooting abilities. Evans was stronger, but Max might benefit from some time in the weight room. Call it intangibles, but I see similarities to Evans in the way Hoetzel plays the game. Will he develop? I now think he might whereas I gave him no chance earlier.

valid points, but Evans was B1G POY. What I like about Max is his poise, like you said he's not shy. He is an asset to the team

[GloryDays 5,938]

Unlike you, I didn't like Max at all until the last game or two. I thought he was a waste of a scholarship and a guy who would never be able to compete in the Big Ten. But recently, and especially in the MSU game, I'm changing my tune on him. Much like Evans, he usually knows what he's going to do with the ball when it gets to him, even if he's just swinging it to someone else. Evans was like that from the start. Bryan was too timid to shoot at the start, Max isn't, both are mid-sized guards with long-range shooting abilities. Evans was stronger, but Max might benefit from some time in the weight room. Call it intangibles, but I see similarities to Evans in the way Hoetzel plays the game. Will he develop? I now think he might whereas I gave him no chance earlier.

  Max definitely needs to gain weight and strength..His upper body is weak and causes him to loose rebounds that he has possession of.He has excellent instincts but needs to be less selfish.

I wouldn't really call him a midsize guard as he is a legit 6'8'' and may be closer to 6,9'' That's a nice size college 3 man.

I think with a summer of nutrition and weight training he will have a breakout season as a soph.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

do u blame them? MSU could have executed a tornado drill and a tea party and we still wouldn't have been able to hit a shot.

 

I don't know about a tornado drill but I definitely saw them run a lay-up drill---OVER AND OVER!