Can Crean stay in Bloomington?

[AZ Hoosier 6,469]

We get it, you and a bunch of others on here don't want Crean here as our coach.....wow come on people

 

Those are the facts. He’s not a terrific coach that gets a team to the tournament every year. And without a lottery pick, he’s never gotten past the 2nd round of the NCAAs. 

 

Crean's a great guy, but IMO, only an average coach. Especially given the talent that he has recruited. That’s all I am saying.

[BGleas 7,880]

Not asking you to do it, but I'd be interested in knowing the last time Coach K, Roy Williams, Cal, etc. have gotten to the Sweet Sixteen without lottery or at least first round picks?

I don't mean that as support for Crean, it would just be interesting. I can't remember the last time those coaches didn't have first round, or even lottery picks on their rosters.

Those are the facts. He’s not a terrific coach that gets a team to the tournament every year. And without a lottery pick, he’s never gotten past the 2nd round of the NCAAs. 
 
Crean's a great guy, but IMO, only an average coach. Especially given the talent that he has recruited. That’s all I am saying.

[theriverpilot 5,589]

Beat me to the punch.

I get what Kepner is trying to say here. Crean could go 31-0 but still be criticized by some because he's simply not Bob Knight or Brad Stevens. Some of the arguments are simply empty.

Is Crean the best coach in the world or the B1G? Probably not. Sometimes that's what strong assistants are for. Is he trying to run a clean program and doing it the way we IU fans want? Yes. Is he doing it better than than Davis and Sampson? Yes

Point is, with the exception of his less than stellar punishment for these latest acts, and last year's underachievers, I've been pretty happy about the direction of the program.

[BlueDevil 8,655]

Not asking you to do it, but I'd be interested in knowing the last time Coach K, Roy Williams, Cal, etc. have gotten to the Sweet Sixteen without lottery or at least first round picks?

I don't mean that as support for Crean, it would just be interesting. I can't remember the last time those coaches didn't have first round, or even lottery picks on their rosters.

09-10 Duke National title team. (Plumlees played limited minutes)

[KingPG21 6,582]

I get what Kepner is trying to say here. Crean could go 31-0 but still be criticized by some because he's simply not Bob Knight or Brad Stevens. Some of the arguments are simply empty.

Is Crean the best coach in the world or the B1G? Probably not. Sometimes that's what strong assistants are for. Is he trying to run a clean program and doing it the way we IU fans want? Yes. Is he doing it better than than Davis and Sampson? Yes

Point is, with the exception of his less than stellar punishment for these latest acts, and last year's underachievers, I've been pretty happy about the direction of the program.

Eh, I'd argue the comments by the biggest Crean supporters are just as empty, the guy can do no wrong based on the majority of their comments. The guy could go 0-31 and some fans would still find some way to defend him. Also, we've underachieved for the last two years. We shouldn't have only made it to the Sweet 16, but hey we did, that team underachieved when it mattered most

[JSHoosier 19,743]

Eh, I'd argue the comments by the biggest Crean supporters are just as empty, the guy can do no wrong based on the majority of their comments. The guy could go 0-31 and some fans would still find some way to defend him. Also, we've underachieved for the last two years. We shouldn't have only made it to the Sweet 16, but hey we did, that team underachieved when it mattered most

That team peaked @MSU and faded after that.  Sure they won some games but they were definitely not firing on all cylinders when they should've been, they barely held on @Michigan too.

 

If we went back to that off season when expectations were so high and I said that team would fade down the stretch, be lucky to get past the second round and look absolutely clueless in the Sweet 16 then follow that season up by missing the NIT with 2 burger boys I'd be called crazy and I'm not sure we'd be seeing the defenses we do now.

[GloryDays 5,913]

And some people want Crean to remain coach at IU no matter what happens. We get that, too.

  Tom Crean is the 8th highest paid coach in the country.

We're predicted to finish 8th in the Big with 2 burger boys.Only two coaches make more in this league and Bo Ryan isn't one of them.Things need to get better fast around here in my opinion.

[coonhounds 8,768]

If crean goes 31 and 0 I would love to see even one person say we should get rid of him with no more off court issues. I dont see anybody saying anything

[theriverpilot 5,589]

Eh, I'd argue the comments by the biggest Crean supporters are just as empty, the guy can do no wrong based on the majority of their comments. The guy could go 0-31 and some fans would still find some way to defend him. Also, we've underachieved for the last two years. We shouldn't have only made it to the Sweet 16, but hey we did, that team underachieved when it mattered most

I'd agree with you here that the more fair statement would be there are some blind loyalties on both sides. I'm not saying Crean isn't above any criticism either. Most that he receives is warranted, but still like that he's our coach.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

If crean goes 31 and 0 I would love to see even one person say we should get rid of him with no more off court issues. I dont see anybody saying anything

We go 31-0, you can have my earnings for 5 years.

[BlueDevil 8,655]

What about those last 9 games

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Good points both ways.

 

IMO he has done a lot of good things and done enough to get the chance to right the ship this year. As long as he makes the tourney----he gets a couple more years to show we can win Big titles, have high rankings, and get to Final 4's.

 

No tourney this year---- and I am off the pro-Crean train.

 

I've said this before---but with the talent we have---he cannot miss the tourney 2 years in a row--ask Mike Davis---it's IU!

 

I am optimistic---I still think he gets it done!

[Kepner 1,261]

And some people want Crean to remain coach at IU no matter what happens. We get that, too.

I haven't seen anyone say that. I honestly think there are better candidates for the job. Im just saying that its grown old hearing "why" people think he should be gone. News flash he is still the coach as of now and it looks like for this year. Lets focus on the year we have to play.

[Kepner 1,261]

This is a good time for counter argument with your set of facts.

Im not countering saying he should be the coach. The fact is that he IS the coach right now and (what seems to be) the season. Thats the only fact. I get that some people don't want him here and some people want him here now matter what ( this is what others are saying, even though Ive never seen someone post this). I see other coaches as better options but stating idea, opinion, and career stats of Crean isn't doing anything but dragging on a conversation thats already been going on for too long. 

[Kepner 1,261]

That team peaked @MSU and faded after that.  Sure they won some games but they were definitely not firing on all cylinders when they should've been, they barely held on @Michigan too.

 

If we went back to that off season when expectations were so high and I said that team would fade down the stretch, be lucky to get past the second round and look absolutely clueless in the Sweet 16 then follow that season up by missing the NIT with 2 burger boys I'd be called crazy and I'm not sure we'd be seeing the defenses we do now.

Except people don't want to accept that it could be in any way on the players. After the MSU most of the guys (except Oladipo and Will) seemed to be going through the motions. The team just looked out of it the last few games that year. But of course, its Crean fault..

[Kepner 1,261]

Im not pro or anti Crean. I just support who is currently with the team.  Too many times we complain about a recruit that comes in or the Coach, and honestly all we can do is support who is currently on the roster and the staff. Doesn't mean we have to necessarily like them, but they are still on the roster/staff. I want IU to have all the success in the world this year. So that means rooting on Crean and the rest of the team. If we don't make the tournament of course its time to start looking for a change. But we can address that and make a millions threads about it when we get there

[JSHoosier 19,743]

Except people don't want to accept that it could be in any way on the players. After the MSU most of the guys (except Oladipo and Will) seemed to be going through the motions. The team just looked out of it the last few games that year. But of course, its Crean fault..

When things look like trends, then yes I put it more on the head coach.  In his 6 years we've seen the team play their best at the right time a whole once.

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

Is there an official "IU Fan Book" out there somewhere that says, as a fan, I have to root for and support everyone who is on the current roster and staff? Please show me that book because as an IU fan for over 50 years, I've never seen it. There is at least one player on the roster who needs to be gone from IU yesterday. Why should I root for him? Just because when he isn't suspended, he wears an IU uniform? Get real. I don't park my brain somewhere else when I follow IU sports. When I see things happening at my alma mater that I can't support, I don't support them. I want them cleaned up. And a trip to the tournament isn't going to automatically make things a-okay. As an IU fan, I have higher standards than that. This isn't UK or Syracuse or some other Mickey Mouse basketball program where winning is everything.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,769]

Is there an official "IU Fan Book" out there somewhere that says, as a fan, I have to root for and support everyone who is on the current roster and staff? Please show me that book because as an IU fan for over 50 years, I've never seen it. There is at least one player on the roster who needs to be gone from IU yesterday. Why should I root for him? Just because when he isn't suspended, he wears an IU uniform? Get real. I don't park my brain somewhere else when I follow IU sports. When I see things happening at my alma mater that I can't support, I don't support them. I want them cleaned up. And a trip to the tournament isn't going to automatically make things a-okay. As an IU fan, I have higher standards than that. This isn't UK or Syracuse or some other Mickey Mouse basketball program where winning is everything.

good points. I don't see why fans can't discuss both the good and bad things of the team and program. Good and bad on and off the court. It makes no
sense. Go to any fan page and you will see discussions including the good and the bad. Hollowell's play last season deserved every thread and attention it received. Just like DHB's play for the colts deserved the negative attention it received. When Crean does well, he deserves praise and when he doesn't he deserves scrutiny. It's the way things work. This is not a cheerleader website, at least i don't think it is. Sometimes it should be and sometimes it is, but other thoughts should be allowed too.

Another note I see mentioned a lot. If someone is unhappy with Crean it does not automatically make the a Knight lover. I view knight with respect of his accomplishments but felt he needed to go. He was not our answer going forward at the time. We have really struggled to find the "next" guy. But I am by no means a knight lover or a Crean hater. I just recognize patterns and when it may be time to move on.

I want IU to viewed as a top 10 program nationally. If Crean can get us there than fine but if not, let's find the guy that can. Let's reclaim our Glory.

[schoosier 3,451]

Tom Crean is the 8th highest paid coach in the country.
We're predicted to finish 8th in the Big with 2 burger boys.Only two coaches make more in this league and Bo Ryan isn't one of them.Things need to get better fast around here in my opinion.

Crean has always gotten a pass. First one obviously the team was devistated which we all agree. Then its his kids graduate and are good kids; just wait til he gets more good players. Now its shown a lot of his kids really aren't good ambassadors for our program. He really has no discipline when your AD has to step up and lay down the law. In my opinion it comes down that he's just a lousy coach. When he gets out on the court, his teams rarely excute good, winning basketball. They are ill prepared, turnover prone, and usually are ineffective at little things like inbounding the ball. He is totally ineffective working the officials; he has no clue of using timeouts effective. He's too busy pacing the court, subbing, glancing at his notecards, or sucking on his juice bottle that he doesn't watch the game. Its almost an afterthought for him. To not study and understand the game being played in front of you just cannot be overcome. Even with his 500 page playbook it's useless unless you can see and understand the game. Coaching, what he gets paid big bucks to do, is his biggest problem. In year 7 it is very obvious.