Can Crean stay in Bloomington?

[johnsoniu 7,068]

"Contract not renewed" isn't the same as being fired, even if you counted that three coaches really doesn't equate to him firing "a bunch of coaches" as you stated

 

I didn't state he fired "a bunch of coaches", someone else did. I simply answered your question.

[BGleas 9,047]

That's an impossible question to answer, since we don't know the candidates. But if we did make a move, the new coach would be taking over a much better positioned program than what Crean took over. So, why would you think the right coach couldn't win a conference title? This isn't taking over Northwestern or Penn State.

How many coaches are coming into IU and winning a Big Ten title within 5 years? Who?

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

That's an impossible question to answer, since we don't know the candidates. But if we did make a move, the new coach would be taking over a much better positioned program than what Crean took over. So, why would you think the right coach couldn't win a conference title? This isn't taking over Northwestern or Penn State.
 

Just saying the Big Ten is positioned to be the conference for the foreseeable future...

 

I don't think fans always understand how big of an accomplishment that was to win it outright considering the competition.

 

I think a coaching change would set the program back significantly. Losing players and in recruiting, especially if we were to replace with someone who isn't as plugged into recruiting as Crean. Those relationships matter. The kids aren't coming to play for IU, but for the coach.

 

Some seem to think Stevens would be a guaranteed dynasty at IU. I don't believe that at all. Damn good coach, but no one is a sure thing in this league.

[BGleas 9,047]

I don't think you'd see a ton of player defections. Recruits? Probably, but a new coach would bring recruits with him too. It all depends on who the guy is. I'm not necessarily advocating for a change, but as part of this discussion I don't think it would be that big of a set back, depending on who the hire was.

I definitely agree that many in the fan base completely undersell the 2013 Conference Title. That was a major accomplishment.

Disagree on Stevens. While I can't guarantee he'd be the next great coach at IU, nobody can, he obviously got a ton of accolades at Butler, but he also is at the NBA. NBA folks seem to be extremely impressed with Stevens too.

Just saying the Big Ten is positioned to be the conference for the foreseeable future...
 
I don't think fans always understand how big of an accomplishment that was to win it outright considering the competition.
 
I think a coaching change would set the program back significantly. Losing players and in recruiting, especially if we were to replace with someone who isn't as plugged into recruiting as Crean. Those relationships matter. The kids aren't coming to play for IU, but for the coach.
 
Some seem to think Stevens would be a guaranteed dynasty at IU. I don't believe that at all. Damn good coach, but no one is a sure thing in this league.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

I do not mean to undersell Stevens at ALL. Just think it's interesting that he's developed into this god-like figure for certain fans. I think there would be multiple good options.

 

Why stop at Brad? This is IU, they say. Why not someone who has won a national championship? That's my question. If IU is such a powerhouse.

[BGleas 9,047]

I'm a Stevens fan, though I agree with what you said. He's like a cult like figure at this point.

On your other question, while I think a lot of good coaches would be interested in IU, your question about a title winning coach just isn't realistic. Coach K isn't leaving Duke, Cal (not that we'd want him) isnt leaving UK, Ollie isn't leaving UConn for a college program, Self isn't leaving Kansas, etc.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

I'm a Stevens fan, though I agree with what you said. He's like a cult like figure at this point.

On your other question, while I think a lot of good coaches would be interested in IU, your question about a title winning coach just isn't realistic. Coach K isn't leaving Duke, Cal (not that we'd want him) isnt leaving UK, Ollie isn't leaving UConn for a college program, Self isn't leaving Kansas, etc.

I know, just being sarcastic.

 

Billy Donavon would be awesome at IU... but he didn't play at and isn't from Indiana, so who knows. vbg

[BGleas 9,047]

Billy Donavan would be awesome. I'm not sure why being from Indiana or playing at IU is relevant. When's the last time Indiana had a coach that was from here or played here (not including interim coaches)?

I know, just being sarcastic.
 
Billy Donavon would be awesome at IU... but he didn't play at and isn't from Indiana, so who knows. vbg

[schoosier 3,745]

To say that Crean isn't respected by his peers, that's an absolute joke... the ones who talk badly about him do it anonymously and often put things out there because he does circles around them in recruiting.
 
Other coaches consistently mention that IU fans don't know what they have, that they already have a fine coach. They aren't paying lip service. His reputation is excellent among coaches. He's stepped on toes, like all coaches, and that feeds some of the negative stuff...which that stuff really is only that he works people too hard. Yet fans here don't shut up about him being too soft on guys... funny.

Who is Crean doing circles around recruiting? Matt Painter? If other coaches mention what you say is that they want Crean here for a long time. Outside of Izzo, who else is the B1G thinks highly of Crean? Plus your focus on Stevens is getting creepy. There are many viable coaches other than him that could be very successful here all the while instilling some sort of discipline our current doesn't have. How many former IU players under Crean came to his defense with what has happened? Zero by my count. Name them if you disagree.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Billy Donavan would be awesome. I'm not sure why being from Indiana or playing at IU is relevant. When's the last time Indiana had a coach that was from here or played here (not including interim coaches)?
 

Lou Watson right?
 

That's just... 1971...

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,809]

I have to say it's truly amazing the lynch mob was out last week against Crean and for GOOD reason and now 90% seem to ignore all the facts and problems that exist.

I AM rooting for this team to succeed this year. I want to make the tournament so damn bad.

But Crean has done more than enough to lose this job and 99% of people thought so last week and then this week, some weird temporary amnesia thing happened.

"You" can root for the team and separate the thoughts of the "leaders" of the program.

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

People enjoyed the game last night. It was fun to just focus on basketball. But all the problems still exist; they haven't gone away. Crean won't be in Bloomington after this season. He's on his way out. It is what it is.

[bronkonagurski 894]

I have to say it's truly amazing the lynch mob was out last week against Crean and for GOOD reason and now 90% seem to ignore all the facts and problems that exist.

I AM rooting for this team to succeed this year. I want to make the tournament so damn bad.

But Crean has done more than enough to lose this job and 99% of people thought so last week and then this week, some weird temporary amnesia thing happened.

"You" can root for the team and separate the thoughts of the "leaders" of the program.

 

1)  Coaches are not hired and fired based on the week-to-week sentiments of random message board posts.

 

2)  You just seem upset that not everyone agrees with you.  You are assigning weight and value to the opinions expressed here as if it actually has anything to do with what Fred Glass does or does not do.

 

"You" are more than welcome to "your" thoughts.  Maybe "you" need to separate "your" thoughts from acting like "you" speak for any percentage of anyone else.   

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,809]

1) Coaches are not hired and fired based on the week-to-week sentiments of random message board posts.

2) You just seem upset that not everyone agrees with you. You are assigning weight and value to the opinions expressed here as if it actually has anything to do with what Fred Glass does or does not do.

"You" are more than welcome to "your" thoughts. Maybe "you" need to separate "your" thoughts from acting like "you" speak for any percentage of anyone else.

Dakich is correct in saying the Indiana fanbase has become accustomed to mediocrity on and off the court.

1) my evaluation of Crean is not week to week. Never has been. I've been a supporter for 5 years, mellowing for a year, and recent events pushed me over the edge. It's not just one week. The program has had a year and a half of turmoil but they've hidden our problems. Definitely not week to week.

2) I am not upset about people agreeing or not. I don't understand how some people were on the fire Crean bandwagon a week ago and not now. That is clouded judgement. Not upset, just doesn't make sense.

3) Fred Glass will make his own bed. He is another one that Dakich is referring to about accepting mediocrity.

4) no response to the excessive """"

[Kepner 1,268]

I didn't state he fired "a bunch of coaches", someone else did. I simply answered your question.

Sorry, I didn't pay attention to who originally said it. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,809]

Dakich is correct in saying the Indiana fanbase has become accustomed to mediocrity on and off the court.

1) my evaluation of Crean is not week to week. Never has been. I've been a supporter for 4 years, mellowing for a year, and recent events pushed me over the edge. It's not just one week. The program has had a year and a half of turmoil but they've hidden our problems. Definitely not week to week.

2) I am not upset about people agreeing or not. I don't understand how some people were on the fire Crean bandwagon a week ago and not now. That is clouded judgement. Not upset, just doesn't make sense.

3) Fred Glass will make his own bed. He is another one that Dakich is referring to about accepting mediocrity.

4) no response to the excessive """"

My "you" was typed that way to indicate I am not pin pointing any certain individual. It was meant to indicate that an individual can root for the team without agreeing we have our Coach of the future.

Most people say "people want the team to stink because of an agenda to get rid of Crean". I whole heartedly disagree. I always want the team to succeed but I am also able to ascertain our Coach has made some pretty big blunders over the last 2 years, enough for me to question if he is the right guy to make us a perennial Elite program.

[Kepner 1,268]

Dakich is correct in saying the Indiana fanbase has become accustomed to mediocrity on and off the court.

What can fans really do though? We've had some mediocre years since Knight. Davis had mediocre years, Sampson cheated, and coached Crean had to clean up Sampsons trash and then a a few good years. Fans can stress out, worry, and complain till they are blue in the face and nothing will change really. All we can do is support our team no matter what. Of course we all want to see them compete for a national championship year in and year out, but thats not realistic at this point. Not really realistic for most teams. I just don't get what people who say we've accepted mediocrity expect fans to do? Stop going to games? Boo throughout the whole game? I've always been a big Pacers, Colts, and IU basketball fan. All three teams have gone through their fair share of down years and I'm still a fan. Complaining about it never changes if they do better or worse. Sometimes teams go through phases where they do very well and poorly. It happens in sports.
This point is not direct at you WayneFleekHoosier. I was just addressing this idea of accepting mediocrity.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,809]

What can fans really do though? We've had some mediocre years since Knight. Davis had mediocre years, Sampson cheated, and coached Crean had to clean up Sampsons trash and then a a few good years. Fans can stress out, worry, and complain till they are blue in the face and nothing will change really. All we can do is support our team no matter what. Of course we all want to see them compete for a national championship year in and year out, but thats not realistic at this point. Not really realistic for most teams. I just don't get what people who say we've accepted mediocrity expect fans to do? Stop going to games? Boo throughout the whole game? I've always been a big Pacers, Colts, and IU basketball fan. All three teams have gone through their fair share of down years and I'm still a fan. Complaining about it never changes if they do better or worse. Sometimes teams go through phases where they do very well and poorly. It happens in sports.
This point is not direct at you WayneFleekHoosier. I was just addressing this idea of accepting mediocrity.

Not true. Fans have a voice. A very strong voice. Why do you think "seats" become hot? Generally teams start losing, margin fans stop coming, the bottom dollar lowers and then changes are made. The hard core fans like all of us on this site, will support the program no matter what. I was the only person I knew who even gave a damn about IUBB during Crean's first 3 years. When success came, closet fans increased and attendance increased too.

Anyway, fans have a voice.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,809]

It's not the individual voice of a fan that matters is the collective voice of the fans. And then ultimately donors. Ultimately it comes down to money TBH. If Glass is selling merchandise and filling the seats he doesn't really care about winning. However he is smart enough to know as losing becomes more regular the attendance will shrink as evidenced by the 11k student ticket holders vs 14k last season and who knows what number the season before.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,809]

I am not the type of fan that would publicly boo either. I voice my concerns "privately" on this message board. I am not out slandering our coach with social media or at live events. I think that type of behavior is disgraceful and tasteless. You'll never see me with negative comments In Twitter or Facebook because I respect Indiana University to embarrass the fanbase. I enjoy coming here and hashing out the +\-'s of our program on a "semi" private forum.

But I also won't bury my head in sand and pretend things are where they should be. My expectations are high. Did Davis meet them? Nah. Did Sampson meet them? He'll No! Did Crean meet them? For 2 seasons yes and if it weren't for the plethora of off court issues I would be more than willing to let him redeem himself this season, because as you and others have said, all teams can have a year where they underperform.