Can Crean stay in Bloomington?

[Kepner 1,261]

Not true. Fans have a voice. A very strong voice. Why do you think "seats" become hot? Generally teams start losing, margin fans stop coming, the bottom dollar lowers and then changes are made. The hard core fans like all of us on this site, will support the program no matter what. I was the only person I knew who even gave a damn about IUBB during Crean's first 3 years. When success came, closet fans increased and attendance increased too.

Anyway, fans have a voice.

I mean I agree that fans have a voice, but I just honestly don't think its a powerful as most think. 

[theriverpilot 5,589]

Who is Crean doing circles around recruiting? Matt Painter? If other coaches mention what you say is that they want Crean here for a long time. Outside of Izzo, who else is the B1G thinks highly of Crean? Plus your focus on Stevens is getting creepy. There are many viable coaches other than him that could be very successful here all the while instilling some sort of discipline our current doesn't have. How many former IU players under Crean came to his defense with what has happened? Zero by my count. Name them if you disagree.

I'm confused by your statement "How many former IU players under Crean came to his defense with what happened. Zero by my count". If I recall, Vic and Jordy showed support. Also Tracy Smith voiced strong support. Seems Crean's strongest critics were Dakich, Doyel, and a few posters here. Everyone else showed disappointment in the players actions.

[BubbleKnuts 569]

I know I'm rehashing the old, repeating the scoop, etc..
But, The odds for a sixth banner were so high in 2013. I can't remember them
Being that high since the 90's. We should've swept away everyone in the tourney. That's the truth. I'm not saying that falls all on the coach, but who does it fall on?


Sent from my iPhoney. Yo.

[schoosier 3,451]

I'm confused by your statement "How many former IU players under Crean came to his defense with what happened. Zero by my count". If I recall, Vic and Jordy showed support. Also Tracy Smith voiced strong support. Seems Crean's strongest critics were Dakich, Doyel, and a few posters here. Everyone else showed disappointment in the players actions.

Post anything they said in twitter or elsewhere supporting coach. I agree most showed disappointment with players, but there was absolute silence on Crean by his former players.

[BGleas 7,880]

https://mobile.twitter.com/VicOladipo/status/530057523228073985

Post anything they said in twitter or elsewhere supporting coach. I agree most showed disappointment with players, but there was absolute silence on Crean by his former players.

[mchenry34 107]

Post anything they said in twitter or elsewhere supporting coach. I agree most showed disappointment with players, but there was absolute silence on Crean by his former players.

You shouldn't speak so boldly...you are wrong. Vic posted an extended tweet calling the idea that Crean couldn't lead ridiculous and saying that Crean was a great coach that he owed a lot too.  Hulls was interviewed and went to great lengths to say that he thought Crean was a great coach and great leader for the program....

 

Jones, Zeller, Elston all said that the players had failed the expectations of the program.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

partially true but those rankings are right quite often. Look at our best players on our current team and our worst. Then look at their star ratings and u tell me.

It is up to Crean as the COACH to get the chemistry and results with said talent. Recruiting is part 1 and what u do with it is part 2. He used to be good at part 1 and questionable at part 2 but as of late he isnt great at part 1 either.

It's a problem!

you have nothing from this year to base your reasoning. Until we see them play, the recruiting rankings still mean nothing. If this team can win, then Crean recruited the pieces he needed and recruiting was a success. If not, then recruiting was a big part of the problem.

Look at last years team. Great recruiting on paper, piss poor results. So based on your reasoning, you'd say recruiting was a success, and I would say its a failure.

[BGleas 7,880]

http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/11/05/hulls-iu-players-must-hold-accountable/

Post anything they said in twitter or elsewhere supporting coach. I agree most showed disappointment with players, but there was absolute silence on Crean by his former players.

[mchenry34 107]

VicOladipo
@VicOladipo

 

 

All of these comments about @TomCrean not being a leader and having no discipline is crazy. Us former players wouldn't come back as often as We do if that was the case @TomCrean is a great coach and human being. The players currently there just need to get there priorities right and realize they are playing for something way bigger than themselves

[bleedhoosier 3,627]

Freaking awesome post above from Vic. Maybe some of you don't respect Crean but that banging team that hung a conference banner sure does. I want Crean to stay, for now. Side thought: How much of a contract does Travis Ford have?

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Our team gpa is through the roof right now, we just came off a big ten championship, we have a flow of burger boys coming through, we have another promising team this year. Would we be talking so much about this if Devin Davis didn't jump onto a hood of a car? I watch too many programs have the same alcohol or drug incidents every year. Yea, we all have this ideal about IU is supposed to be superior but honestly, that's unrealistic and WAS NOT EVEN TRUE IN THE PAST WITH BOB KNIGHT. So really, IU is no more clean of a program than Louisville.

I'd rather have a program that makes men out of young boys. Some of you guys act like literally nothing is supposed to "go wrong" with our program and it is some saint on the throne of moral standards. IU NEVER WAS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Quit lofting IU into some fantasy period where the bball players didn't drink, harass women and smoke the devil's lettuce.

As long as this program isn't handing out Mercedes and Ps3's with a stack in the bottom of the box, I'm good. Crean isn't doing any of that and is just a hair too lenient to his players. Orrrrr, maybe just like when he won't release info about injuries, he carries that same trait with the "infractions" and in house punishments.

So in summary - As long as Crean has a winning record and we make the dance I think we are doing more harm than good by running him off. Unless you are pulling a hall of fame'r, elite coach here to IU I wouldn't even consider getting rid of Crean. This dude is improving himself day to day as well. Why not hang tight for his glory years also? The rebuild was done, we had two killer teams recently and 1 drop back, last year. I'm not sure I see the problem. I want another banner also but we are in a good spot as a program.

EDIT: The only thing I think should have some serious consideration in all of this is if Stan should remain on the team but Crean is loyal to building the character of these guys. We don't know what has happened behind the closed door but I'm banking that one more with Stan and Crean is pulling the plug.

just my thoughts - many will disagree..

Nailed it man. That's a great post.

[KingPG21 6,582]

How many coaches are coming into IU and winning a Big Ten title within 5 years? Who?

How is this a valid argument? This shit is annoying with some of you. You can't name for sure someone who can come in here and be successful so you shouldn't be bringing it up at all. Also, it is funny, if we did bring in someone new and they immediately had more success than Crean how quickly you guys would change your tune

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

As much as I like a lot of things he has done---we MUST make the tourney this year or even I am voting him off the island!

[KingPG21 6,582]

I am not the type of fan that would publicly boo either. I voice my concerns "privately" on this message board. I am not out slandering our coach with social media or at live events. I think that type of behavior is disgraceful and tasteless. You'll never see me with negative comments In Twitter or Facebook because I respect Indiana University to embarrass the fanbase. I enjoy coming here and hashing out the +\-'s of our program on a "semi" private forum.

But I also won't bury my head in sand and pretend things are where they should be. My expectations are high. Did Davis meet them? Nah. Did Sampson meet them? He'll No! Did Crean meet them? For 2 seasons yes and if it weren't for the plethora of off court issues I would be more than willing to let him redeem himself this season, because as you and others have said, all teams can have a year where they underperform.

Eh, we made the Sweet Sixteen twice. First year we did should qualify as meeting /exceeding expectations, second year we should have made it further. Yeah we ran into a Syracuse team that was better most of the naysayers want to give them credit for, but we were seeing signs for concern before that, Temple for example

[AZ Hoosier 6,469]

Eh, we made the Sweet Sixteen twice. First year we did should qualify as meeting /exceeding expectations, second year we should have made it further. Yeah we ran into a Syracuse team that was better most of the naysayers want to give them credit for, but we were seeing signs for concern before that, Temple for example

So Crean gets a pass for the first 3 years, and rightly so. He inherited an mess that he had to clean up. Then a year of exceeding expectations with the sweet 16. Then a year of gross underachieving with a sweet 16 finish despite having FOUR 1,000 point scorers and 2 of the top 4 NBA picks. Last year was horrid. Now we have 6/13 of the team involved in failed drug tests and alcohol issued, and one teammate in the hospital with traumatic brain injury related to an alcohol issue

In all honesty, I'm not seeing any of this as positive.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Come on Hoosier in AZ-----there are positives too--our team GPA---APR scores---back to back sweet 16's that we had not sniffed in years--a BigTen title outright for the first time in forever---a  #1 ranking in the country---the best record against ranked teams around----highly ranked in nearly every offensive category in the country---first round draft picks in the NBA---excellent strength and conditioning program--top 20 recruiting classes year after year---and I could go on and on.

 

The truth is somewhere in between. If Crean gets all the blame for the negatives---then he has to get some credit too for the positives. For me--he has earned the right to stay as long as we get back to the tourney this year and he lowers the boom on the players for all of their off court crud. 

 

I predict he will do both of these and I will support him. If he does not---as I said earlier---I will vote him off the island too!

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,254]

i concur with the above post

[AZ Hoosier 6,469]

Come on Hoosier in AZ-----there are positives too--our team GPA---APR scores---back to back sweet 16's that we had not sniffed in years--a BigTen title outright for the first time in forever---a  #1 ranking in the country---the best record against ranked teams around----highly ranked in nearly every offensive category in the country---first round draft picks in the NBA---excellent strength and conditioning program--top 20 recruiting classes year after year---and I could go on and on.

 

The truth is somewhere in between. If Crean gets all the blame for the negatives---then he has to get some credit too for the positives. For me--he has earned the right to stay as long as we get back to the tourney this year and he lowers the boom on the players for all of their off court crud. 

 

I predict he will do both of these and I will support him. If he does not---as I said earlier---I will vote him off the island too!

 

I have no problem giving Crean credit for the positives. Getting the kids to go to class is a big deal. But part of it is recruiting kids that WILL go to class - and yes, that’s a positive for Crean. The kids that Sampson had did the drug and alcohol thing and did not go to class. So I do give Crean credit for that. You can’t necessarily credit Crean for the high GPA and APR, because a lot of that is on the kids themselves. There was nothing Crean could do, per se, for Vic graduating in 3 years or for Jordy saying 4 years and leaving with his masters, or Cody being close to graduation after 2 years - those kids were driven in every sense of the word. And since Crean recruited them and brought them in, I can give him the credit.

 

As for the highly rated recruiting classes - ok. But how many of the top recruits don’t measure up. Not just at IU, but anywhere? Highly recruited, highly rated in HS is one thing, but do they deliver in college? Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. And Crean has whiffed on a few big recruits, as well. I’d call that a push.

 

The outright B1G championship was a big deal - huge. Credit to Crean. The back-to-back Sweet 16 appearances is also a positive. But again, the first one was a team overachieving and the second, IMO, was a total failure. How can you be ranked #1 for a large part of the season, go into the tournament as the #1 overall seed and not be prepared for Syracuse or Temple. That failure is on Crean. And with Cody and Vic as top 4 NBA picks, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect better than a Sweet 16 finish in the dance.

 

Overall, yeah, Crean has had some positives. He’s clearly turned the program around from the abyss created by Sampson, et al. But the issues that we are seeing now look to me like cracks in the armor. The alcohol and drug tests concern me greatly. That, coupled with the utter collapse in the 2013 tournament, the mass exodus of players via transfers has the scales tipped in the negative, IMO.

 

I like Crean as a person - he seems to be rooted, passionate and an all-around good guy. And I am not sure I want to run him out of Btown on a rail at this point, but he has to deliver.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Thanks AlaskaShake---there is definite room for improvement---but it is not all one-sided.

[jonz44 805]

Kinda new here-I haven't even figured out how to like others post and I will put in a pic...when I figure that out also-but I'm gonna give this a shot.
My expectation of Indiana is that they win and they do it in an honorable way.
While I would like to win with the regularity that UK has the last few years if we have to play fast and loose with the rules I'll pass.
One of the biggest things that bothers me about Crean is the over signing of recruits. We promote Indiana as a family and basically we are telling some family members every year...YOU ARE NOT GONNA BE HERE NEXT YEAR! You don't necessarily need to fill every scholarship every year. Kids and their families see this and I believe it makes it very difficult to get some recruits with the quality of character that we are looking for.
As for this year. No more incidents...out of ANYBODY! If there is send them packing! This doesn't just mean from players who have had previous problems. I mean anybody and everybody. Take a stand! If you are unwilling to take a stand as a coach then I can't stand with you as a fan. We've had some bad years but that didn't cause me to withdraw my support as a fan! But unwillingness to take a firm stand makes me disgusted.
I do believe that for Crean to remain as coach he will need to make the NCAA tournament this year and to be perfectly honest I don't know that the personnel is there to do that. We are going to get killed inside unless someone comes up as a HUGE surprise!
I really feel like our best shot at winning this year is to play the style that UK did during Pitinos first few years. Push it hard, speed the game up, aggressively look for the three, press and try to turn the other team over a lot. We play half court and we'll get murdered.