College Bball Thread

[HoosierAloha]

One of my friends uncle is Zions high school coach and apparently clemson was offering 350k to go there. Absolutely no clue if that has any truth to it but I thought it was interesting

In the landscape of today's college basketball that seems about average. He chose to go to Dook for the coaching though..


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

One of my friends uncle is Zions high school coach and apparently clemson was offering 350k to go there. Absolutely no clue if that has any truth to it but I thought it was interesting

That's why Clemson was getting all those CB picks.

It's no wonder why IU rarely gets CB picks for top players.

Along those rumors, heard Ayton got 300-500k from Arizona.


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[Bailey7878]

Cal’s seat should be getting a little hot. His recruiting has fallen off a bit and the on-court results have not been great.

Hed need a couple of years of no sweet sixeteens first. Still has an elite eight and final four in the last three years. They won't run him out of town just yet.

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[Bailey7878]

That's why Clemson was getting all those CB picks.

It's no wonder why IU rarely gets CB picks for top players.

Along those rumors, heard Ayton got 300-500k from Arizona.


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Arizona was paying players obviously and yet keep playing like nothing ever happened. All is good I guess.

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[Brass Cannon]

6 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

In the landscape of today's college basketball that seems about average. He chose to go to Dook for the coaching though..


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That and his brand will be bigger. Which will add significantly to his endorsements after college

[HooHooHoo22]

I think all these kids covered in tattoos is an obvious sign they’re getting money from somewhere. Unless mommy and daddy are forking over thousands of dollars for you to get tattoo after tattoo.


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[pumpfake]

1 hour ago, HooHooHoo22 said:

I think all these kids covered in tattoos is an obvious sign they’re getting money from somewhere. Unless mommy and daddy are forking over thousands of dollars for you to get tattoo after tattoo.


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I did have to say that I noticed that in the game against MSU it was interesting to see the difference between our players and theirs regarding "amount of ink".  I know we have and have had players with huge tattoos, but there was a distinct contrast between the two teams Friday night.  BTW, one of the MSU players had a full back tattoo that was visible around the shoulders - from what you could see, it looked like some 2 year old's attempt at coloring a coloring book, LOL.

[BGleas]

9 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

That's why Clemson was getting all those CB picks.

It's no wonder why IU rarely gets CB picks for top players.

Along those rumors, heard Ayton got 300-500k from Arizona.


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This is why I don’t understand the uproar in the Langford thread when many of us bring up Drew being dirty. In this day and age if you co,e out of absolutely nowhere and start landing multiple 5*’s and are in it with other 5*’s, especially at a school that doesn’t normally compete like that, I just assume you’re cheating. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

The double edge sword of college hoops right now.



This is a big reason I say Purdue won't win this year despite how good they are. Purdue is an excellent team but lack top end talent and athleticism.


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[mdn82]

The double edge sword of college hoops right now.



This is a big reason I say Purdue won't win this year despite how good they are. Purdue is an excellent team but lack top end talent and athleticism.


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A team that runs is dangerous. Haas gets in foul trouble. Edwards has an off game. That is the recipe to beat them. It will happen. I am not too worried about it because they are peaking in January. They aren’t good enough to hold this up over the next 10ish weeks. I still say Duke or MSU. I just don’t think Nova has the bigs to hang with those two. I do think Nova could beat Duke, but not MSU in March/April.



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[HoosierAloha]

That and his brand will be bigger. Which will add significantly to his endorsements after college

Is Trae Young's brand going to be hurt by staying home at Oklahoma rather than going to KU? I doubt it. He already has over a million Twitter or Instagram or whatever followers. His brand has already been established. Will his brand rise by playing next to the other two players in the top three? You could argue he would have been better off staying home and converting a lot of Clemson football fans to Clemson basketball fans.


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[Uspshoosier]

The double edge sword of college hoops right now.



This is a big reason I say Purdue won't win this year despite how good they are. Purdue is an excellent team but lack top end talent and athleticism.


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I’m guessing most of those teams also had 3 star players or 4 star on the team as well(besides duke and Kentucky). Did Louisville win the national title because Wayne blackshear was a 5 star or did they win because a George Mason transfer Hancock went off and Russ Smith (282) carried them as their best player. Stats can be twisted around to fit any argument in my opinion


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[HoosierX]

13 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I’m guessing most of those teams also had 3 star players or 4 star on the team as well(besides duke and Kentucky). Did Louisville win the national title because Wayne blackshear was a 5 star or did they win because a George Mason transfer Hancock went off and Russ Smith (282) carried them as their best player. Stats can be twisted around to fit any argument in my opinion


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Yea I’d say it’s pretty obvious that all the teams had some combination of 3 and 4 star players as well.

But that’s not the point. The point is it’s hard to win without 5 star talent. There is no twisting of facts there, it’s just a simple statement.

It’s progressing to where there are enough data points (almost 20 years) to be able to comfortably imply that there is causation that goes along with the correlation.

 

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Yea I’d say it’s pretty obvious that all the teams had some combination of 3 and 4 star players as well.
But that’s not the point. The point is it’s hard to win without 5 star talent. There is no twisting of facts there, it’s just a simple statement.
It’s progressing to where there are enough data points (almost 20 years) to be able to comfortably imply that there is causation that goes along with the correlation.
 
 

2002 Maryland team might be the exception. Juan Dixon was best player. Not sure if a 5 star on that roster. Even so, it's pretty telling to me.

It's not to say it CANT happen it's just that it is way more unlikely.


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[Uspshoosier]

Yea I’d say it’s pretty obvious that all the teams had some combination of 3 and 4 star players as well.
But that’s not the point. The point is it’s hard to win without 5 star talent. There is no twisting of facts there, it’s just a simple statement.
It’s progressing to where there are enough data points (almost 20 years) to be able to comfortably imply that there is causation that goes along with the correlation.
 
 

So in your opinion Louisville won the national title that year because they had Wayne Blackshear on the team as their only 5 star? Last year it took a former walk-on (155) Luke maye to send home a team full of 5 stars and help his 5 star teammates make a final 4.


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[HoosierX]

14 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

So in your opinion Louisville won the national title that year because they had Wayne Blackshear on the team as their only 5 star? Last year it took a former walk-on (155) Luke maye to send home a team full of 5 stars and help his 5 star teammates make a final 4.


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No I’m not saying that, and I think your point is a valid one.  However, you are pointing out a potential exception (which isn’t really an exception since Blackshear was 5 star, but I get your point since he didn’t play like one) which maybe dilutes the overall message slightly, but there are still a lot of other data points.

I also don’t agree the statement is twisting the facts.  To me twisting the facts would be saying that no one has ever won without 5 star talent if there were 5 years where teams won without a 5 star, but the author arbitrarily decided that at least one of the players on each team played like a 5 star.

[Bailey7878]

This is why I don’t understand the uproar in the Langford thread when many of us bring up Drew being dirty. In this day and age if you co,e out of absolutely nowhere and start landing multiple 5*’s and are in it with other 5*’s, especially at a school that doesn’t normally compete like that, I just assume you’re cheating. 

Of course drew is dirty were just not allowed to say so I guess

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[Uspshoosier]

No I’m not saying that, and I think your point is a valid one.  However, you are pointing out a potential exception (which isn’t really an exception since Blackshear was 5 star, but I get your point since he didn’t play like one) which maybe dilutes the overall message slightly, but there are still a lot of other data points.
I also don’t agree the statement is twisting the facts.  To me twisting the facts would be saying that no one has ever won without 5 star talent if there were 5 years where teams won without a 5 star, but the author arbitrarily decided that at least one of the players on each team played like a 5 star.

This debate will go on and on until the end of time and personally I tend to look at it as sometimes just because a 5 Star was on the roster doesn’t tell the whole story. I’ve watched enough college basketball to know it takes more then just having one on the team to be good besides Kentucky 2012 and duke 2015. Villanova won the title with 5 star Brunson on the team. Did they win because of him coming off the bench being a 5 star or did they win it from their other non 5 star players. Again this is just my view I have no problem with people saying 5 star are needed to compete I just look at different then most


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[mdn82]

Personally I think if you are in that 5* range you tend to get highly ranked 4 stars as well. Those to me are as critical as the 5*. Unless the 5* stays beyond their freshman year. Typically a 5* kid as a freshman that is a stud leaves for the NBA. The late bloomer 5* wins a title. As does the high 4* kid. Rare that a 5* doesn’t pan out but it happens. Consistently getting that 30-50 is huge imo.


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[HoosierX]

23 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Personally I think if you are in that 5* range you tend to get highly ranked 4 stars as well. Those to me are as critical as the 5*. Unless the 5* stays beyond their freshman year. Typically a 5* kid as a freshman that is a stud leaves for the NBA. The late bloomer 5* wins a title. As does the high 4* kid. Rare that a 5* doesn’t pan out but it happens. Consistently getting that 30-50 is huge imo.


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I would agree with this and this is where Villanova consistenly plays.

People like to point out that they don’t land many 5 stars but they have a ton of the players in that range.