College Bball Thread

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

42 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

Sooo, Dusty to Kansas?

Brad Stevens

[Aaron]

1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Seems like a downgrade.

 

 

Dont like his hire at all. Seems to be the typical ‘Butler way’ and in Big East hiring a guy with no college experience is asking for trouble.

If Butler wants to go back to A10 or Big East ‘Butler way’ and family hires work. If in a p5 league, have to swim with the sharks with high quality coaches.

Can’t have it both ways and be successful and Butler is struggling with that concept unfortunately. 

[pumpfake]

1 hour ago, JF87 said:

Sound like LSU is going to make Wade a strong a$$ offer!

That would be absolutely diabolical.

[AZ Hoosier]

57 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Winners win and losers make excuses for why they don't win.

It's Indiana. It's Indiana! Oh, wait, you weren't talking about us. :D 

[Home Jersey]

28 minutes ago, Aaron said:

Dont like his hire at all. Seems to be the typical ‘Butler way’ and in Big East hiring a guy with no college experience is asking for trouble.

If Butler wants to go back to A10 or Big East ‘Butler way’ and family hires work. If in a p5 league, have to swim with the sharks with high quality coaches.

Can’t have it both ways and be successful and Butler is struggling with that concept unfortunately. 

Can Butler really do much better?

Seems like a high upside, low downside hire to me.

A) They don't have the money to pull a sitting P5 coach B) he was an assistant in college for two years and has more than 10 years of NBA assistant experience C) he's young and probably comes pretty cheap.

If he is good, they have their next coach for the foreseeable future and Butler is definitely a place where he will be afforded time to learn on the job. If he doesn't work out, it's easy enough to make a clean break. 

[Kentuckysucks]

Lmao. Imagine the reaction from the UNC fans if they hired Kenny Smith.  A man with zero coaching experience. Lol.  Woodson is likely a better hire. This guy gets paid $20M a year for his commentary. Lol.

 

 

[LamarCheeks]

Jon Rothstein reporting that LSU is hiring Heath Schroyer from McNeese State as a senior administrator. He and LSU President Wade Rousse hired Will Wade at McNeese -- and will look to bring him back to Baton Rouge. 

Wade is the pear-fect fit for that gig. 

[Aaron]

25 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Can Butler really do much better?

Seems like a high upside, low downside hire to me.

A) They don't have the money to pull a sitting P5 coach B) he was an assistant in college for two years and has more than 10 years of NBA assistant experience C) he's young and probably comes pretty cheap.

If he is good, they have their next coach for the foreseeable future and Butler is definitely a place where he will be afforded time to learn on the job. If he doesn't work out, it's easy enough to make a clean break. 

To me a mid-major coach with actual head coaching experience in college would be better.

Hiring guys with no head coaching experience rarely works. Remove his Butler connections and zero chance he would be a candidate.

As we saw with Woodson here at IU, it is important to ask ‘would this guy be a candidate if not an alum’. The answer is almost certainly ‘no’ and it’s the trap schools fall into.

[Home Jersey]

7 minutes ago, Aaron said:

To me a mid-major coach with actual head coaching experience in college would be better.

Hiring guys with no head coaching experience rarely works. Remove his Butler connections and zero chance he would be a candidate.

As we saw with Woodson here at IU, it is important to ask ‘would this guy be a candidate if not an alum’. The answer is almost certainly ‘no’ and it’s the trap schools fall into.

I also prefer HC hires that have been in that role for a long time. Not sure Butler has that as a requirement or the finances to pull an established coach... if they're willing to let him learn on the job and think he has high upside at low cost, seems worth a shot IMO. Not like they have a title or bust culture or something. 

[Hardwood83]

1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Winners win and losers make excuses for why they don't win.

Uh....no, cheating isn't "winning" it's stealing from those that are playing by the rules. If I embezzle money I could say "I'm rich, I won!" but I'm still just a thief. You might say "everybody does it" but that is clearly untrue, or the usual suspects wouldn't have been so obvious in the before NIL times. 

Maybe that isn't what you are implying, but I detest the idea that cheating is somehow justified by "really wanting to win." Basically the $EC's entire approach the last 60yrs. Ok, I'll get off my soapbox now.   

[Kentuckysucks]

1 minute ago, Hardwood83 said:

Uh....no, cheating isn't "winning" it's stealing from those that are playing by the rules. If I embezzle money I could say "I'm rich, I won!" but I'm still just a thief. You might say "everybody does it" but that is clearly untrue, or the usual suspects wouldn't have been so obvious in the before NIL times. 

Maybe that isn't what you are implying, but I detest the idea that cheating is somehow justified by "really wanting to win." Basically the $EC's entire approach the last 60yrs. Ok, I'll get off my soapbox now.   

Is anything Wade was accused of before illegal now?  That's what I'm saying.  He won't need to cheat now as it's perfectly legal to pay players.  

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Is anything Wade was accused of before illegal now?  That's what I'm saying.  He won't need to cheat now as it's perfectly legal to pay players.  

Pushing limits is part of the game of life

[Home Jersey]

Luke Murray is reportedly close to a deal with Boston College.

[Home Jersey]

Boston College has had 3 coaches since  2009... that's also when their last tournament appearance was. Great evidence for the next coach deserves 6+ years argument. Lol 

[Shooter]

24 minutes ago, Aaron said:

To me a mid-major coach with actual head coaching experience in college would be better.

Hiring guys with no head coaching experience rarely works. Remove his Butler connections and zero chance he would be a candidate.

As we saw with Woodson here at IU, it is important to ask ‘would this guy be a candidate if not an alum’. The answer is almost certainly ‘no’ and it’s the trap schools fall into.

Butler has done this twice before with Brandon Miller and Lavall Jordan. Neither turned out very well. Maybe Nored will be better.

Interestingly the new Butler AD was a college teammate of Nored. He might be tying his own future to Nored's with this hire.

[Shooter]

6 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Luke Murray is reportedly close to a deal with Boston College.

A little surprising, I thought he might be holding out until he can get a big time job. Like Tommy Lloyd did.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Butler should never have made the move to the Big East.  They will never be a competitive force.

[jermhoosierfan]

23 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I also prefer HC hires that have been in that role for a long time. Not sure Butler has that as a requirement or the finances to pull an established coach... if they're willing to let him learn on the job and think he has high upside at low cost, seems worth a shot IMO. Not like they have a title or bust culture or something. 

The difference between Norad and Woody is that Norad is a lot younger, and he has coached in college before.  Woody was at the age that he wasn't willing to change what he was doing or used to till he was forced to one way or another.  Being younger should allow Norad to grow into the job to learn, but it is all about the ABC's, Always Be 'Cruiting

[Kentuckysucks]

15 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Luke Murray is reportedly close to a deal with Boston College.

I thought he would land somewhere better.  That's a really tough place to win.  Usually considered the worst job in the ACC.

[Home Jersey]

10 minutes ago, Shooter said:

A little surprising, I thought he might be holding out until he can get a big time job. Like Tommy Lloyd did.

 

1 minute ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I thought he would land somewhere better.  That's a really tough place to win.  Usually considered the worst job in the ACC.

I was a bit surprised too. Sounds like BC is making NIL commitments they haven't before. And their fans think it's a lower risk move for him than taking a mid major where he'd be expected to win his conference. If he gets BC to .500 he will get a ton of credit for turning them around. If he fails... of course, it's BC basketball. Very curious how he will do