str8baller Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 hour ago, MonteMarcaccini said: “Out coached”. Goodness. What do you call it when teams are pretty consistently outplayed in the second half? Call it a different term if it makes you feel better. But 3/4 losses IU was tied or led at halftime only to be pretty much dominated in the second half. Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 12 Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, str8baller said: What do you call it when teams are pretty consistently outplayed in the second half? I personally just call it part of college basketball sometimes. It’s going to happen but others can call it whatever they want Home Jersey and MonteMarcaccini 2 Quote
MonteMarcaccini Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 minute ago, str8baller said: What do you call it when teams are pretty consistently outplayed in the second half? Call it a different term if it makes you feel better. But 3/4 losses IU was tied or led at halftime only to be pretty much dominated in the second half. Oh boy, here we go. Such an uninformed narrative lacking any nuance. You me or anybody else on the couch have no idea if he is truly outcoached just because they lose games or lose leads. We aren’t in the locker room, huddles, film room etc. Do we know what adjustments he did or didn't make on screen coverages, rotations, play calls, on and on?? Did he “out coach” Pope Medved and Hoiberg in the first half? If this team had a noticeable talent advantage and they are still blowing games, then there is cause for concern. Turnovers, foul trouble (Wilk at UK, TD yesterday) for long stretches, missed shots, other teams (also with good players trying to win games) making plays. So much that impacts games besides coaching decisions. Yesterday’s game was disappointing. A lot of factors led to blowing a large lead to a good team. You want to nitpick the roster construction, fine. I know one guy on here brings it up in 99% of his posts. But we also have no idea who all they tried to engage with or negotiate with. Other teams have $ and are trying to win as well. 16 games into this program - 12-4 (3-2) with good metrics with a limited team and the narrative is he is getting out coached after every loss. Let it breathe… Quote
str8baller Posted January 12 Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: I personally just call it part of college basketball sometimes. It’s going to happen but others can call it whatever they want Some things are pure randomness akin to watching lottery balls being plucked out of a hopper. Other things are effects with causes resulting from choices made by the participants. We’ll agree that people can see whatever they want. WayneFleekHoosier 1 Quote
str8baller Posted January 12 Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, MonteMarcaccini said: Such an uninformed narrative lacking any nuance. You me or anybody else on the couch have no idea if he is truly outcoached just because they lose games or lose leads. We aren’t in the locker room, huddles, film room etc. Do we know what adjustments he did or didn't make on screen coverages, rotations, play calls, on and on?? Did he “out coach” Pope Medved and Hoiberg in the first half? If this team had a noticeable talent advantage and they are still blowing games, then there is cause for concern. Turnovers, foul trouble (Wilk at UK, TD yesterday) for long stretches, missed shots, other teams (also with good players trying to win games) making plays. So much that impacts games besides coaching decisions. I read this defense when it was made of Mike Davis. I read it when it was made of Tom Crean. And Archie Miller. Then Mike Woodson. We’re simply having trouble dealing with adjustments other teams are throwing at us. Call it what you want. As far as “letting it breathe” I’ve stated several times I’m fine withholding any real judgement until he gets an another season under his belt and a full offseason to build a team. Devries defenders need not send out the cavalry. But you asked about Iowa’s fans’ reactions. And from the Reddit post game thread I pulled up they seem to recognize many of the flaws about their team that IU fans see in our squad. I don’t particularly think either fan base is wrong. In both cases the largely midmajor players brought over are having trouble with the athleticism at the upper levels of the conference. We don’t need to be in the huddle or locker room to recognize that, do we? Stuhoo, WayneFleekHoosier and tkbbn 3 Quote
MonteMarcaccini Posted January 12 Posted January 12 5 minutes ago, str8baller said: I read this defense when it was made of Mike Davis. I read it when it was made of Tom Crean. And Archie Miller. Then Mike Woodson. We’re simply having trouble dealing with adjustments other teams are throwing at us. Call it what you want. As far as “letting it breathe” I’ve stated several times I’m fine withholding any real judgement until he gets an another season under his belt and a full offseason to build a team. Devries defenders need not send out the cavalry. But you asked about Iowa’s fans’ reactions. And from the Reddit post game thread I pulled up they seem to recognize many of the flaws about their team that IU fans see in our squad. I don’t particularly think either fan base is wrong. In both cases the largely midmajor players brought over are having trouble with the athleticism at the upper levels of the conference. We don’t need to be in the huddle or locker room to recognize that, do we? Umm, yeah. We don’t have a talent advantage, exactly my point. Lose a game and the coach is outcoached. I don’t have the hubris to know what adjustments “other teams are throwing at us” I know that puts me in the minority. Again, a lot of factors go into getting outscored in a college basketball game. And I’m not even a DDV apologists. I simply have no idea at this point what he can do with this program. Damn sure am not going to pass judgement 16 games into his tenure with this particular squad. And I would hope Iowa fans are in the same boat. But fans are gonna fan… J34 1 Quote
OliviaPope40 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: Today’s slate What would you recommend? Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 13 Posted January 13 15 minutes ago, OliviaPope40 said: What would you recommend? Steelers/Texans OliviaPope40, Home Jersey, LIHoosier and 2 others 2 3 Quote
Class of '66 Old Fart Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Kentucky guard Jaland Lowe will undergo season-ending shoulder surgery, Mark Pope has announced. Quote
AZ Hoosier Posted January 13 Posted January 13 A Tennessee college basketball player was shot and killed while in a vehicle on a Nashville freeway, police said Monday. Andre Bell, 20, was a Fisk University sophomore from Jackson, Tennessee. He died at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department said. https://www.foxnews.com/us/college-basketball-player-gunned-nashville-freeway-police-hunting-suspects Class of '66 Old Fart, tkbbn and go iu bb 3 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Loaded Tuesday slate as usual. Good night of hoops coming up Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Virginia up 15 at Louisville in the second half. Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Wow. Minny tied it up and then Wisky wins it at the buzzer Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 14 Posted January 14 37 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: A&M up 5 at Tenn with 7 min to go OT Quote
johnsoniu Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Maybe Self hasn’t checked all the way out. Jayhawks up 20-9 on Iowa St Quote
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