College Bball Thread

[Stuhoo]

6 minutes ago, Demo said:

Very true. And even with the respect I have for Underwood there is no universe where I’m giving my team to Gibbs-Lawhorn. No, no, no, no, no. 

Underwood gets a ton of love, but he took over an arguably similar situation to that of Woody, and did far, far, FAR worse than Woody did in his first three years. Only when he added 5* Kofi Cockburn to Trent Frazier and Ayo Dosunmu (whom he already was losing with) did he get to a 21-10 record. Had a couple of good years with Kofi and then fell off to 20-13, 11-9 last year before having another good year this past year.

In seven years at Illinois he has had exactly one player stay for four years. 

I see how his teams are effective, but I guess I'm not a fan of Illinois under Underwood being some "successful without any discussion" program.

 

[Stuhoo]

58 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Illinois says "hold my beer."

Their current starting lineup:

• Ty Rodgers,
• Carey Booth,
• Tre White,
• Kylan Boswell,
• Drayvn Gibbs-Langhorn.

 

31 minutes ago, Demo said:

Very true. And even with the respect I have for Underwood there is no universe where I’m giving my team to Gibbs-Lawhorn. No, no, no, no, no. 

Would it help if I told you that the entire rest of their roster is: 4* freshman PF Morez Johnson, 2* freshman C Jason Jakstys, and portalist SF Jake Davis, who averaged 9ppg at Mercer?

There is time, but those eight are their entire current roster. Dainja, Harris, Moretti, Hansberry, and Goode walked away. Lots of kids leave Illinois who would have had significant roles if they stayed, because Underwood just may be, ahem ... "difficult."

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Would it help if I told you that the entire rest of their roster is: 4* freshman PF Morez Johnson, 2* freshman C Jason Jakstys, and portalist SF Jake Davis, who averaged 9ppg at Mercer?

There is time, but those eight are their entire current roster. Dainja, Harris, Moretti, Hansberry, and Goode walked away. Lots of kids leave Illinois who would have had significant roles if they stayed, because Underwood just may be, ahem ... "difficult."

Might be difficult, but he wins. Wouldn't be surprised if Illinois still finishes Top 5 in the B1G next season... And still be a 7 seed or less. Big Ten is going to be down..

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Might be difficult, but he wins. Wouldn't be surprised if Illinois still finishes Top 5 in the B1G next season... And still be a 7 seed or less. Big Ten is going to be down..

He doesn’t always win all that much 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

He doesn’t always win all that much 

He didn't his first two seasons at Illinois.

But he was pretty good at SFA going 89-14 over 3 seasons.

20-13 his single season at Oklahoma State.

At Illinois...

14-18

12-21

21-10(was told they'd continue sucking and Ayo Dosunmu wasn't that good)

24-7

23-10

20-13

29-9 and finally made the Elite 8.

[Stuhoo]

20 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

He didn't his first two seasons at Illinois.

But he was pretty good at SFA going 89-14 over 3 seasons.

20-13 his single season at Oklahoma State.

At Illinois...

14-18

12-21

21-10(was told they'd continue sucking and Ayo Dosunmu wasn't that good)

24-7

23-10

20-13

29-9 and finally made the Elite 8.

So his first three years at Illinois were significantly worse than Mike Woodson’s first three seasons at IU. The jury is out to see if Woodson can get to 24 wins in year four.

And you’re OK with that and think Underwood is a good coach.

Got it.

 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

So his first three years at Illinois were significantly worse than Mike Woodson’s first three seasons at IU.

And you’re OK with that and think Underwood is a good coach.

Got it.

 

Well I'm sure his first 2 seasons would have been different with the transfer portal and NIL. It's a whole new world now.

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Well I'm sure his first 2 seasons would have been different with the transfer portal and NIL. It's a whole new world now.

Very true!

But a coach is judged ultimately on results. And those results are dependent on the national rules/situation that the coach is placed into. Illinois is certainly not hurting for NIL $$. Woody also has been good at player retention, which works in any era.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Very true!

But a coach is judged ultimately on results. And those results are dependent on the national rules/situation that the coach is placed into. Illinois is certainly not hurting for NIL $$. Woody also has been good at player retention, which works in any era.

Makes me wonder what Crean could have done with NIL and the portal to help that Zeller team or how things would have changed. We did have a couple transfers help that 2016 team. Maybe we could have gotten Zeller to stay another year. Maybe could have gotten Troy Williams to stay another year.

Either way, Underwood was on a good trajectory for Illinois. Took 3 years to get the tourney and that isn't bad.

[steubenhoosier]

44 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Makes me wonder what Crean could have done with NIL and the portal to help that Zeller team or how things would have changed. We did have a couple transfers help that 2016 team. Maybe we could have gotten Zeller to stay another year. Maybe could have gotten Troy Williams to stay another year.

Either way, Underwood was on a good trajectory for Illinois. Took 3 years to get the tourney and that isn't bad.

Maybe Crean could have hired someone to help him figure out a zone defense.

[sweetpain]

Maybe Crean could have hired someone to help him figure out a zone defense.

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[Uspshoosier]

2 hours ago, steubenhoosier said:

Maybe Crean could have hired someone to help him figure out a zone defense.

A lot of people should have hired someone that year to figure out that zone defense.  They had a top 6 defense with that particular 2/3 zone 

[go iu bb]

This might be more football but I imagine it would affect basketball as well. Looks like big changes will probably continue coming in college sports, though many of these have already been predicted.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sec-big-ten-developing-plan-to-share-revenue-with-players-in-potential-landmark-change-to-college-athletics/

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/40053021/college-sports-leaders-deep-talks-settle-nil-antitrust-case-vs-ncaa

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Shannon rape trial update
https://www.wcia.com/sports/your-illini-nation/terrence-shannon-jr-s-attorneys-file-motion-to-exclude-states-dna-testing-in-criminal-case

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

[RaceToTheTop]

4 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Ouch.  That’s a big loss for Nebraska.

[HoosierHoopster]

On 4/30/2024 at 3:08 PM, Uspshoosier said:

A lot of people should have hired someone that year to figure out that zone defense.  They had a top 6 defense with that particular 2/3 zone 

That and Hulls’ shoulder was basically separated, he couldn’t shoot to spread the zone and Cody was unable to capitalize in the middle of the zone. People ignore all of that when just criticizing Crean in that game, Cuse had a heck of a team too.

[Hovadipo]

55 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

That and Hulls’ shoulder was basically separated, he couldn’t shoot to spread the zone and Cody was unable to capitalize in the middle of the zone. People ignore all of that when just criticizing Crean in that game, Cuse had a heck of a team too.

I count 7 guys in that game that at least had a cup of coffee in the NBA and 4 of them played for Syracuse. Crazy amount of talent on the floor that night. 

[RaceToTheTop]

i remember when Purdue fans used to make fun of Crean for over signing.

painter oversigned this year by four players and even with Edey going pro and Morton and Gillis going into the portal, he is over the allotment by 1….which means he’ll have to ‘persuade’ an incoming freshman to go the prep school route or force someone to give up their scholly.  So someone is getting Paintered.

[DChoosier]

16 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

I count 7 guys in that game that at least had a cup of coffee in the NBA and 4 of them played for Syracuse. Crazy amount of talent on the floor that night. 

True but yet many continue to act as though we lost to UE that night.  
The tall Cuse guards shut down smaller guards all year and we featured 5’11”/6’0 Yogi and injured shoulder Hulls who combined for a total of 0-8 from the field.  And in the following game Syracuse held 3 seed Marquette to 39 points. They were on a roll.
Yes, Crean was not good (sucked) vs zones but it was a terrible match-up which is one of the challenges of the tourney.