NBA Thread

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

 

Lose game 4 and they won't win the series.

They won’t lose G4

[TheWatShot]

I might have to mute the broadcast for the next game. Reggie was unbearable when the Knicks made their run. I expect that from Kevin Harlan, but not from Reggie. It's almost like he was egging them on! 

[RaceToTheTop]

Anyone shocked that the Knicks have 37 free throws with 3 1/2 minutes left?

The NBA is just ridiculous.

[Demo]

I wonder how many triple doubles with 0 TO’s there have been in playoff history? 

[RaceToTheTop]

One game away from the finals.

[AZ Hoosier]

9 minutes ago, Demo said:

I wonder how many triple doubles with 0 TO’s there have been in playoff history? 

Prior to Halliburton's performance tonight, it's happened SEVEN times (according to ChatGPT):

As of the latest available data, there have been seven instances in NBA playoff history where a player recorded a triple-double with zero turnovers. Each of these performances was achieved by a different player: 
    1.    Baron Davis – April 27, 2002 (Charlotte Hornets vs. Orlando Magic): 33 points, 14 rebounds, 10 assists, 0 turnovers. 
    2.    Nikola Jokić – Date unspecified.
    3.    Jimmy Butler – Date unspecified.
    4.    Chris Paul – Date unspecified.
    5.    Dennis Johnson – May 6, 1988 (Boston Celtics): 19 points, 10 rebounds, 12 assists, 0 turnovers. 
    6.    Magic Johnson – May 5, 1991 (Los Angeles Lakers): 21 points, 10 rebounds, 17 assists, 0 turnovers. 
    7.    Fat Lever – May 14, 1988 (Denver Nuggets): 11 points, 11 rebounds, 12 assists, 0 turnovers. 

These performances are exceptionally rare, highlighting the players’ ability to contribute across multiple statistical categories while maintaining complete control of the ball.

[TheWatShot]

32 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Anyone shocked that the Knicks have 37 free throws with 3 1/2 minutes left?

The NBA is just ridiculous.

Knicks made more free throws than the Pacers attempted. In Indy. Disgusting how refs repeatedly fall for Brunson's crap. 

[TheWatShot]

8 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

    7.    Fat Lever – May 14, 1988 (Denver Nuggets): 11 points, 11 rebounds, 12 assists, 0 turnovers. 

 

I actually googled this to see if that was a real player. 

[HoosierHoopster]

7 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Prior to Halliburton's performance tonight, it's happened SEVEN times (according to ChatGPT):

As of the latest available data, there have been seven instances in NBA playoff history where a player recorded a triple-double with zero turnovers. Each of these performances was achieved by a different player: 
    1.    Baron Davis – April 27, 2002 (Charlotte Hornets vs. Orlando Magic): 33 points, 14 rebounds, 10 assists, 0 turnovers. 
    2.    Nikola Jokić – Date unspecified.
    3.    Jimmy Butler – Date unspecified.
    4.    Chris Paul – Date unspecified.
    5.    Dennis Johnson – May 6, 1988 (Boston Celtics): 19 points, 10 rebounds, 12 assists, 0 turnovers. 
    6.    Magic Johnson – May 5, 1991 (Los Angeles Lakers): 21 points, 10 rebounds, 17 assists, 0 turnovers. 
    7.    Fat Lever – May 14, 1988 (Denver Nuggets): 11 points, 11 rebounds, 12 assists, 0 turnovers. 

These performances are exceptionally rare, highlighting the players’ ability to contribute across multiple statistical categories while maintaining complete control of the ball.

No one (I think) has at least 32 points, 15 assists,  10 boards and 4 steals (with 0 TO’s). Haven’t checked that game by Davis, that was special as well.

However you want to dissect it, regardless, it’s absolutely an historic game. 

And that’s with the refs (ahem, the League), trying to get the Knicks to the finals. How many players fouled out? What was the FT disparity? What a joke. The Knicks of course are the big market money maker, I’m sorry, it’s damn clear the League is money driven and that translates on the floor - despite that, unfavored in most of these games, the P’s keep winning.

Btw, the players voted Haliburton as the Most Overrated Player. It’s beautiful how he’s slapping all of them in the face. Love how he’s turning into the next Reggie — face of the P’s for years to come

[HoosierHoopster]

7 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Anyone shocked that the Knicks have 37 free throws with 3 1/2 minutes left?

The NBA is just ridiculous.

Money. The League wants the Knicks in the finals, and yes, it’s ridiculous 

[AZ Hoosier]

I actually googled this to see if that was a real player. 

Yep… Lafayette “Fat” Lever played at Arizona State in the late ‘70s, I think for legendary coach Ned Wulk…

[Stuhoo]

11 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

Knicks made more free throws than the Pacers attempted. In Indy. Disgusting how refs repeatedly fall for Brunson's crap. 

 

4 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Money. The League wants the Knicks in the finals, and yes, it’s ridiculous 

There is nothing to "fall for" and no conspiracy to favor the Knicks. If there was a league effort to support the Knicks, this grand league conspiracy has been entirely unsuccessful for 52 years. 

Brunson is a fantastic player, and the thing he does best is use angles to create contact on the drive. When that consistently happens, borderline or bad calls happen too.

Conspiracy theories really really REALLY suck.

[Brass Cannon]

22 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

There is nothing to "fall for" and no conspiracy to favor the Knicks. If there was a league effort to support the Knicks, this grand league conspiracy has been entirely unsuccessful for 52 years. 

Brunson is a fantastic player, and the thing he does best is use angles to create contact on the drive. When that consistently happens, borderline or bad calls happen too.

Conspiracy theories really really REALLY suck.

League desperately needs to add a 4th official who watches video feed and can overrule terrible calls in real time.  Don’t need to stop the game.  
 

Its insane that there are the same number of refs as when it was a bunch of slow white guys. 

On the topic of Brunson the Knicks have a negative +/- with him on the court this series.  Think it’s -26  despite only being outscored by 11 this series  Brunson might great but he’s not really helping his team  

 

[Hoosierfan2017]

Love watching free throw merchants like Brunson lose. Ethical hoopers only please. Now just need the Pacers to take out the other merchant in the West (SGA). 

[Demo]

50 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Brunson is a fantastic player, and the thing he does best is use angles to create contact on the drive. When that consistently happens, borderline or bad calls happen too.

The issue absolutely isn't the player(s), the issue is assumptive officiating. They make way. way too many calls that they don't or can't see based on reactions. That's what they need to be busted for and the direction from the League office needs to be, "If you can't see it, you can't call it." The Trey Burke block on Peyton Siva in the UM-UL National Championship game came across my feed the other day and that's the all-time example. The Ref was looking right through Burke, couldn't have possibly seen it even if Burke did foul him(he didn't), and called the fact the Siva went down. You can't freaking do that. If that means some calls get missed, they get missed.     

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said:

Good idea for a thread in the summer doldrums after the Pacers NBA championship: "Great basketball names/nicknames" 

 

Supreme Cook (Oregon)

Tennessee Rainwater (Utah Tech)

 

[Motley's]

7 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Yep… Lafayette “Fat” Lever played at Arizona State in the late ‘70s, I think for legendary coach Ned Wulk…

If I recall the story, when he was a kid his sister couldn’t pronounce Lafayette, so it sounded like Fat. The nickname stuck. He wasn’t fat. 

[HoosierHoopster]

9 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

 

There is nothing to "fall for" and no conspiracy to favor the Knicks. If there was a league effort to support the Knicks, this grand league conspiracy has been entirely unsuccessful for 52 years. 

Brunson is a fantastic player, and the thing he does best is use angles to create contact on the drive. When that consistently happens, borderline or bad calls happen too.

Conspiracy theories really really REALLY suck.

Stu my friend it’s not a conspiracy theory, I’m a long-time NBA guy and the disparity is patently obvious and money talks. You like Brunson? I couldn’t like him less. Mr volume shooting let me shoot all the time. I’d take many players over him 10 times out of 10, on the knicks starting with OG. And Haliburton 100x over Brunson. 

[Stuhoo]

41 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Stu my friend it’s not a conspiracy theory, I’m a long-time NBA guy and the disparity is patently obvious and money talks. You like Brunson? I couldn’t like him less. Mr volume shooting let me shoot all the time. I’d take many players over him 10 times out of 10, on the knicks starting with OG. And Haliburton 100x over Brunson. 

It’s not an either or—all three of those guys are outstanding NBA players.

And for what it’s worth, Brunson and Halliburton have almost the exact same career and season stats for field goal percentage, three-point percentage, and free-throw percentage. Brunson does it on higher volume, which I suppose is a good thing when a guard is shooting about 49% from the floor. Halliburton is a better and clearly far lengthier defender.

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

It’s not an either or—all three of those guys are outstanding NBA players.

And for what it’s worth, Brunson and Halliburton have almost the exact same career and season stats for field goal percentage, three-point percentage, and free-throw percentage. Brunson does it on higher volume, which I suppose is a good thing when a guard is shooting about 49% from the floor. Halliburton is a better and clearly far lengthier defender.

Brunson’s team will lose Stu, he doesn’t make players around him better, he plays to score as much for himself as he can, he’s a one way player who doesn’t defend well, but yes he scores a lot (in a League that now does everything it can to increase scoring — how many 50-plus scoring games by how many different players have there been in the last 2 seasons?? ) it’s pathetic. It’s ruining the game. People are getting 50-plus games, generally high scoring games all over the place now because of how the game is now ruled and officiated to increase scoring. It’s easy to score now, period. Give me the two-way players, the elite point guards, the guys who make others better not just themselves, any day and every day. Not a fan of Brunson, but Haliburton can wave bye to him soon so it’s all good :)