Daily MLB Banter

[Rico]

44 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

After some thought I think I am finally on board with more tightly regulated mlb salaries.  This was just insane 

MLB needs to use the NFL model.  It will never happen.

[LIHoosier]

8 minutes ago, Rico said:

MLB needs to use the NFL model.  It will never happen.

Can't really cuz the TV revenues are more localized than the NFL's national deal. As much as some people want the Yankees, Dodgers, etc. to not out spend everyone, the small market teams don't want a cap cuz they'd have to double their payrolls just to make a hypothetical salary floor.

[Rico]

1 minute ago, LIHoosier said:

Can't really cuz the TV revenues are more localized than the NFL's national deal. As much as some people want the Yankees, Dodgers, etc. to not out spend everyone, the small market teams don't want a cap cuz they'd have to double their payrolls just to make a hypothetical salary floor.

As I said, MLB needs to follow the NFL model.

[kreigh8]

23 minutes ago, Rico said:

As I said, MLB needs to follow the NFL model.

Why? To solve what problem? Dodgers have had payroll of $300M lately and hadn’t won a World Series with the exception of the shortened Covid season. The Rangers and Diamondbacks played in this past World Series. Might we wait out the off-season and have some games actually played before we change how the game is operated?

[Rico]

21 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

Why? To solve what problem? Dodgers have had payroll of $300M lately and hadn’t won a World Series with the exception of the shortened Covid season. The Rangers and Diamondbacks played in this past World Series. Might we wait out the off-season and have some games actually played before we change how the game is operated?

You don't see a problem with MLB and the disparity between small markets vs. big markets?  

[kreigh8]

6 minutes ago, Rico said:

You don't see a problem with MLB and the disparity between small markets vs. big markets?  

It's been that way since the game starting paying players. $700M contract doesn't change that and I'm not sure what the NFL model would do to solve it. Every team being forced to pay to a floor would do some harm as well

 

And since you mentioned small markets. The Orioles and Rays won ~100 games (101 and 99) - it's not about money spent it's how it's being spent

[Rico]

4 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

It's been that way since the game starting paying players.

Really?  Yeah, free agency was big back in 1923...

[kreigh8]

Just now, Rico said:

Really?  Yeah, free agency was big back in 1923...

Sure. That's exactly what I was saying

[Demo]

I’ve always liked Ohtani, but this is so gross I can’t even believe it. Allows the Dodgers to circumvent the competitive balance tax implications. I assume it allows Ohtani to circumvent California state income tax. Gives the richest team in baseball the opportunity to acquire probably 2 frontline starters. Apparently it was his idea. I really, really want to see this go badly for the Dodgers. 

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Demo said:

I’ve always liked Ohtani, but this is so gross I can’t even believe it. Allows the Dodgers to circumvent the competitive balance tax implications. I assume it allows Ohtani to circumvent California state income tax. Gives the richest team in baseball the opportunity to acquire probably 2 frontline starters. Apparently it was his idea. I really, really want to see this go badly for the Dodgers. 

Yeah this needs to stop 

[Banksyrules]

I'm a Mets fan and definitely benefits us but to me it's horrible for the game of baseball.  

[cbp4iu]

9 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Yeah this needs to stop 

Dodgers will load up now. It’s unreal that you can defer 97% of your deal. I think 50% max should be threshold.

[HinnyHoosier]

1 hour ago, Demo said:

I’ve always liked Ohtani, but this is so gross I can’t even believe it. Allows the Dodgers to circumvent the competitive balance tax implications. I assume it allows Ohtani to circumvent California state income tax. Gives the richest team in baseball the opportunity to acquire probably 2 frontline starters. Apparently it was his idea. I really, really want to see this go badly for the Dodgers. 

Maybe he'll be a $700 million dollar man in the regular season and Clayton Kershaw in the postseason. 

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, cbp4iu said:

Dodgers will load up now. It’s unreal that you can defer 97% of your deal. I think 50% max should be threshold.

I think they should change it to where in total you can defer the average salary of the life of the contract and then defer however much they want each year but this is just dumb. Or force the team to pay them that amount up front so they can’t just make a stupid decision and say it’s the futures problem. 

[RaceToTheTop]

Watch MLB change the deferment rule….basically allowing only the Ohtani contract to do it and screwing other teams over.

[RaceToTheTop]

On 12/10/2023 at 9:28 AM, kreigh8 said:

Why? To solve what problem? Dodgers have had payroll of $300M lately and hadn’t won a World Series with the exception of the shortened Covid season. The Rangers and Diamondbacks played in this past World Series. Might we wait out the off-season and have some games actually played before we change how the game is operated?

Rangers payroll was top ten.

[RaceToTheTop]

FWIW, last year the Padres were going to offer Aaron Judge a 14 year deal that would have paid him until he was 44.  MLB was set to void that saying it was working around the salary cap.  So how is Ohtani’s deal different?

[Rico]

3 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

FWIW, last year the Padres were going to offer Aaron Judge a 14 year deal that would have paid him until he was 44.  MLB was set to void that saying it was working around the salary cap.  So how is Ohtani’s deal different?

Giants?

[Hovadipo]

35 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Watch MLB change the deferment rule….basically allowing only the Ohtani contract to do it and screwing other teams over.

That's collectively bargained, so I'd be surprised if they agree to any major changes.

[Alford Bailey]

Those dollars become worth significantly less over time. Wonder if that is factored in to these deferred contracts?