Penn State @ IU Post Game Thread

[IUfan_Charlie 3,867]

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Ridiculous....


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I'm pretty sure we scored 1 point in the last 3:30 or so as well... 

[cappymo14 2,276]

So, I been drinking and can't read so good.  Can someone call ESPN and the Big 10 network and tell them I think they have the game scores mixed up on their bottom line tickets?  They have IU losing.....HaHa!  Very funny ESPN!  As if Indiana would lose to lowly Penn St. at home!!!  What a bunch of jokers those guys!

[IUfanNcinci 279]

Yeah mark1981 I got UCfan kentsucky Xavier and UofL fans to deal with 2morrow maybe I should call in sick because I feel sick right now lol<br /><br /><br />

[Dalton26 16,892]

Well at least the site didn't crash tonight. Lol


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[Geometry Hoosier 1,151]

As mad, disgusted, and disappointed as we may be, I can guarantee one thing...our players feel worse.


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[IUfan_Charlie 3,867]

I've cooled off a bit now, and I'll attempt to make this post. I don't know what happened to Troy, he was making hustle plays all over the place (albeit a few pretty bad ones as well), while injecting a much needed boost of energy into the lowly crowd at the game tonight. It got loud when he had those dunks, players feed off crowd energy. But he comes out with roughly 17:00 to go in the 2nd and is not seen in the game again, baffling imo. I was also displeased with our play coming out of stoppages/timeouts, we seem to never really do much good after a halt in gameplay. Just a few thoughts I thought I'd share. 

[schoosier 3,500]

Excited to hear crean in post game sure he will explain this one<br /><br />Sent from my SCH-I535 using BtownBanners mobile app<br /><br />

We are too young, the brights are too light, or our players mindset did not match their skillset for the Nittany Lions. Plus Crean will ask the media their opinion to any question he doesn't like. Then he will mention having to look at film to give a better answer. Pretty much sums all of his losing post games. Its like he either didn't watch the game or can't remember what he did during any of it.

[eprobono 1]

The consensus of opinion here seems to be that Crean is at best a mediocre coach.  I think that is pretty much on the mark.

 

All six of his teams have generally underachieved.  The best example was last year when as the overall #1 seed they couldn't get past the Sweet Sixteen -- despite having 2 of the top four NBA draft choices.  Think what Bo Ryan would have done with that talent.

 

Crean's teams never seem to improve much over the course of the season.  For example, how is the current team any better after 24 games than they were at the beginning of the season?  You can make a better argument for them being worse based on this PSU game.

 

His teams seem bewildered by common basketball tactics such as facing a zone defense, breaking a full-court press, feeding the post, running the break or finishing at the rim.  And it's not just this year's team, it's been true of all his teams.  For example, last year's team had several long-range shooters that should have been able to shred any zone.  Any decent coach could design an offense to beat a zone with players like Hulls and Watford on the perimeter, Oladipo slashing the lane, and Zeller banging in the middle.  Think what Brad Stevens would have done if he'd been blessed with that kind of talent.

 

Crean has attracted a few decent players, but consider the home grown talent that he's failed to recruit - for example Gary Harris, Mitch McGary, Glen Robinson III, Zak Irvin, Deshaun Thomas, Trey Lyles, Trevon Bluiett. Jaquan Lyles.  Players like these opt for the programs at Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State, Kentucky, Louisville, etc. for many different reasons, but the opportunity to play for a great coach is a big factor.  Clearly, IU lacks that quality.

 

So Crean has had six years to rebuild IU into the type of program befitting its tradition and history.  At this point in his tenure a "rebuilding year" at IU should mean at least 20 wins, a top 4 finish in the B1G, and an NCAA invite (on par with programs like Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Carolina, Syracuse, UConn).

 

Last year's team is likely the best season IU will see with Crean as coach.  There isn't enough talent on its way to Bloomington over the next few years to offset Crean's mediocre coaching.  And since Crean hasn't shown a lot of ability to develop players (Oladipo was the exception that proves the rule) you can rule out competing for B1G championships, let alone hanging another NCAA banner during his tenure.  I think it's highly likely he wont finish out his current contract at IU and could be gone in as few as three years.

[Bobman1 2,909]

I like to applaud Noah for making turnovers in the final 15 seconds when you are up by one. I find it so fun and exciting to see him turn it over. I was so nervous and all because I wanted him to turn it over soooo badly. Ya Feel Me

[KingPG21 6,587]

 

The consensus of opinion here seems to be that Crean is at best a mediocre coach.  I think that is pretty much on the mark.

 

All six of his teams have generally underachieved.  The best example was last year when as the overall #1 seed they couldn't get past the Sweet Sixteen -- despite having 2 of the top four NBA draft choices.  Think what Bo Ryan would have done with that talent.

 

Crean's teams never seem to improve much over the course of the season.  For example, how is the current team any better after 24 games than they were at the beginning of the season?  You can make a better argument for them being worse based on this PSU game.

 

His teams seem bewildered by common basketball tactics such as facing a zone defense, breaking a full-court press, feeding the post, running the break or finishing at the rim.  And it's not just this year's team, it's been true of all his teams.  For example, last year's team had several long-range shooters that should have been able to shred any zone.  Any decent coach could design an offense to beat a zone with players like Hulls and Watford on the perimeter, Oladipo slashing the lane, and Zeller banging in the middle.  Think what Brad Stevens would have done if he'd been blessed with that kind of talent.

 

Crean has attracted a few decent players, but consider the home grown talent that he's failed to recruit - for example Gary Harris, Mitch McGary, Glen Robinson III, Zak Irvin, Deshaun Thomas, Trey Lyles, Trevon Bluiett. Jaquan Lyles.  Players like these opt for the programs at Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State, Kentucky, Louisville, etc. for many different reasons, but the opportunity to play for a great coach is a big factor.  Clearly, IU lacks that quality.

 

So Crean has had six years to rebuild IU into the type of program befitting its tradition and history.  At this point in his tenure a "rebuilding year" at IU should mean at least 20 wins, a top 4 finish in the B1G, and an NCAA invite (on par with programs like Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Carolina, Syracuse, UConn).

 

Last year's team is likely the best season IU will see with Crean as coach.  There isn't enough talent on its way to Bloomington over the next few years to offset Crean's mediocre coaching.  And since Crean hasn't shown a lot of ability to develop players (Oladipo was the exception that proves the rule) you can rule out competing for B1G championships, let alone hanging another NCAA banner during his tenure.  I think it's highly likely he wont finish out his current contract at IU and could be gone in as few as three years.

 

Sorry to nitpick, because I agree with most of your post. The only thing I disagree with is the statement about all 6 of his teams underachieving. The 2011-2012 team by all accounts overachieved, given what preseason expectations were. They were expected to be a bubble team, they made the tournament easily, and even were a higher seed. Whether that comes down to Crean as a coach, think at least some of it has to, or the talent of the team, is up to debate. 

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I'm going to bed. You all play nice.  :rtfm:

[JSHoosier 20,317]

 

The consensus of opinion here seems to be that Crean is at best a mediocre coach.  I think that is pretty much on the mark.

 

All six of his teams have generally underachieved.  The best example was last year when as the overall #1 seed they couldn't get past the Sweet Sixteen -- despite having 2 of the top four NBA draft choices.  Think what Bo Ryan would have done with that talent.

 

Crean's teams never seem to improve much over the course of the season.  For example, how is the current team any better after 24 games than they were at the beginning of the season?  You can make a better argument for them being worse based on this PSU game.

 

His teams seem bewildered by common basketball tactics such as facing a zone defense, breaking a full-court press, feeding the post, running the break or finishing at the rim.  And it's not just this year's team, it's been true of all his teams.  For example, last year's team had several long-range shooters that should have been able to shred any zone.  Any decent coach could design an offense to beat a zone with players like Hulls and Watford on the perimeter, Oladipo slashing the lane, and Zeller banging in the middle.  Think what Brad Stevens would have done if he'd been blessed with that kind of talent.

 

Crean has attracted a few decent players, but consider the home grown talent that he's failed to recruit - for example Gary Harris, Mitch McGary, Glen Robinson III, Zak Irvin, Deshaun Thomas, Trey Lyles, Trevon Bluiett. Jaquan Lyles.  Players like these opt for the programs at Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State, Kentucky, Louisville, etc. for many different reasons, but the opportunity to play for a great coach is a big factor.  Clearly, IU lacks that quality.

 

So Crean has had six years to rebuild IU into the type of program befitting its tradition and history.  At this point in his tenure a "rebuilding year" at IU should mean at least 20 wins, a top 4 finish in the B1G, and an NCAA invite (on par with programs like Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Carolina, Syracuse, UConn).

 

Last year's team is likely the best season IU will see with Crean as coach.  There isn't enough talent on its way to Bloomington over the next few years to offset Crean's mediocre coaching.  And since Crean hasn't shown a lot of ability to develop players (Oladipo was the exception that proves the rule) you can rule out competing for B1G championships, let alone hanging another NCAA banner during his tenure.  I think it's highly likely he wont finish out his current contract at IU and could be gone in as few as three years.

 

IU was not the overall #1 seed last season, Louisville was.  Although I do agree that team underachieved, as did the team in year 3.  I've thought for a little while he's a very mediocre "coach", another poster described him as a better spoken Mike Davis and it's kind of hard to argue against that.

[schoosier 3,500]

Sorry to nitpick, because I agree with most of your post. The only thing I disagree with is the statement about all 6 of his teams underachieving. The 2011-2012 team by all accounts overachieved, given what preseason expectations were. They were expected to be a bubble team, they made the tournament easily, and even were a higher seed. Whether that comes down to Crean as a coach, think at least some of it has to, or the talent of the team, is up to debate.

I would agree with your statement. What bothers me is we have a 2 million dollar coach that overachieves 1 out of 6 years. Is that enough to stay at IU? Not even close!

[BlueDevil 8,693]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="37727" timestamp="1392261307"]IU was not the overall #1 seed last season, Louisville was. Although I do agree that team underachieved, as did the team in year 3. I've thought for a little while he's a very mediocre "coach", another poster described him as a better spoken Mike Davis and it's kind of hard to argue against that.[/quote]

I've always thought of crean as a great used car salesman. Idk why but he just strikes me as such.

[JSHoosier 20,317]

I would agree with your statement. What bothers me is we have a 2 million dollar coach that overachieves 1 out of 6 years. Is that enough to stay at IU? Not even close!

I'd be alright with discounting the first two years (although they do count on his official coaching record), but it still means 3 of 4 have under achieved.

[IUfanNcinci 279]

CTC brought the program back from the depths! I will always feel that way and be thankful. I am speechless after 2nights game. We will never be a legitimate team until 1.we learn how to play a half court offense, 2. We learn how to feed the post to our best player and CTC learns how to be a better in game Coach and the coaching staff that can make adjustments that work.<br /><br /><br />

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Well at least the site didn't crash tonight. Lol


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Kind of wish it would have...

[OliviaPope40 6,556]

Kind of wish it would have...

Why so that we could all blame Jaybob for too much video posting.

[eprobono 1]

KingPG21:

Thanks for the response.  Point taken on the 2011-12 team. 

However, my personal take on that team is that the media simply underestimated the talent on that team mostly because of Oladipo's uber improvement from the previous season.  It had nothing to do with Crean's coaching, program leadership, or game management.

And yes, that team beat several ranked teams at home - most notably UK, OSU and Michigan State, but they also choked up against Minnesota, Nebraska and Iowa.  And that's another trait of Crean's teams -- they can't seem to sustain or build on their successes.

[JaybobHoosier 11,852]

I sure picked a good game to have a coaches meeting, but I thought it would be a good idea because of a 13+ point victory.

 

Here is my dilemma, I'm torn between the positive and negative side. Coach Mayhew's post earlier was a great post, but at the same time I agree with the people questioning coach and his abilities. I will always watch every game, and hope for the best. However, this season has me worried about how far coach can really take this team. IMO, this is flat out embarrassing, and unacceptable. Coach needs to start taking the blame because there is no excuse for this.

 

I don't know, things have to change or it's only going to get worse. Go Hoosiers!!!