IU’s basketball culture is dead (and the case for why our next coach should be given 6+ seasons)

[IUguy77]

8 hours ago, AH1971 said:

McCollum wasn’t going anywhere other than Iowa. It’s where he wanted to be. He’ll say no to UNC and Kansas as well.

Everyone keeps saying that is fact. Fact is he wasn’t offered and DDV was. He was never given a chance. I got what they paid for. A $4 million loser. Could have offered McCollum 6-7 million and see if he interested or not. And as far as Dolson hiring Cig sure he got lucky and that one paid off. There’s lots of 1 hit wonder bands. As it stands that’s only thing saving Dolson from pitchforks. He’s the idiot who hired Woodson. He’s the one that kept Woodson a year too long, the one who hired the bum we have now, the baseball team stinks again, and women’s basketball is garbage again. It’s a good thing Cig greatly over performed anyone’s expectations because outside of that the Scott Dolson athletics program looks pretty shitty. 

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Kind of funny.  A year ago we were pointing to how UK & UL made such good hires without grabbing a "home run" name, yet a year later UK fans are ready to dump Pope and UL seems stuck in neutral.

Somehow I suspect if CDD is going to get us where we want to be, it will take more than a couple more years (I believe Carr has said things to that effect).

[Home Jersey]

8 minutes ago, IUguy77 said:

Everyone keeps saying that is fact. Fact is he wasn’t offered and DDV was. He was never given a chance. I got what they paid for. A $4 million loser. Could have offered McCollum 6-7 million and see if he interested or not. And as far as Dolson hiring Cig sure he got lucky and that one paid off. There’s lots of 1 hit wonder bands. As it stands that’s only thing saving Dolson from pitchforks. He’s the idiot who hired Woodson. He’s the one that kept Woodson a year too long, the one who hired the bum we have now, the baseball team stinks again, and women’s basketball is garbage again. It’s a good thing Cig greatly over performed anyone’s expectations because outside of that the Scott Dolson athletics program looks pretty shitty. 

There's some element of luck in hiring a generational coach like Cig, but no need to discredit Scott's role in turning IUFB around. It more than paid off. We won a title in the biggest college sport. That's a huge deal. No pitchforks should be out for Dolson because baseball and women's basketball aren't good right now lol.

Furthermore, it's WAY too soon to write DDV off as a loser. I was also underwhelmed by his first year and think McCollum is a great coach. But McCollum was 99.99% never going to go anywhere but Iowa. Sometimes money can't buy everything. 

And our AD  is on an incredible financial trajectory because of Dolson and Cig's success, so there's hope for the other sports. 

[AZ Hoosier]

12 minutes ago, IUguy77 said:

Everyone keeps saying that is fact. Fact is he wasn’t offered and DDV was. He was never given a chance. I got what they paid for. A $4 million loser. Could have offered McCollum 6-7 million and see if he interested or not. And as far as Dolson hiring Cig sure he got lucky and that one paid off. There’s lots of 1 hit wonder bands. As it stands that’s only thing saving Dolson from pitchforks. He’s the idiot who hired Woodson. He’s the one that kept Woodson a year too long, the one who hired the bum we have now, the baseball team stinks again, and women’s basketball is garbage again. It’s a good thing Cig greatly over performed anyone’s expectations because outside of that the Scott Dolson athletics program looks pretty shitty. 

You're confusing Dolson and Buckner. 

[Pagoda]

21 minutes ago, IUguy77 said:

Everyone keeps saying that is fact. Fact is he wasn’t offered and DDV was. He was never given a chance. I got what they paid for. A $4 million loser. Could have offered McCollum 6-7 million and see if he interested or not. And as far as Dolson hiring Cig sure he got lucky and that one paid off. There’s lots of 1 hit wonder bands. As it stands that’s only thing saving Dolson from pitchforks. He’s the idiot who hired Woodson. He’s the one that kept Woodson a year too long, the one who hired the bum we have now, the baseball team stinks again, and women’s basketball is garbage again. It’s a good thing Cig greatly over performed anyone’s expectations because outside of that the Scott Dolson athletics program looks pretty shitty. 

You're just ranting because you like being mad.

1) It's obvious who pushed to hire the unqualified NBA reject no other college would consider AND kept him around for a 4th year.  Was it the brand new AD hire?  Or was it the NBA reject's best friend who is the powerful Chairman of the Board of Trustees?  I wonder who did it.  Ask people around IU and they'll tell you, it was Quinny.

2) You can't chalk up a 16-0 +479 point differential B1G and Football National Title to nothing but luck.  Too much goes into it.  First off, the whole CFB world missed Cig except Scott.  Then once IUFB took off Cig could have went to basically any "big/prestigious" program, yet he stayed at IU.  In fact, he signed his new contracts at IU faster than any other coach being mentioned with other jobs.  That's impressive and Scott made that happen.

Would Cig work with an incompetent admin?  No.  He even specified this group has to be around or else his buyout falls.

3) Since Scott took over, athletic dept revenue is up ~50%.  We went from the bottom third to the top third of the B1G.  That is not a "pretty shitty" athletics program.  That's a stunning achievement.

All the above doesn't mean Scott can't make errors with IUBB or other sports.  Of course he's not perfect and criticism can be warranted.  CDD looks like an iffy hire right now.  But it's not like Scott ruined IUBB, that happened a long time ago.

However, doing silly mental gymnastics to ignore the huge positives of the past few years is dumb.  If this stretch of IU athletics has you this unhappy, I don't know why you follow IU.

 

[IUguy77]

7 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

You're confusing Dolson and Buckner. 

Not confusing anyone. Dolson is the AD. If he doesn’t have the balls to handle his department and do his job then I dunno what to tell him. 

[IUguy77]

7 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

You're just ranting because you like being mad.

1) It's obvious who pushed to hire the unqualified NBA reject no other college would consider AND kept him around for a 4th year.  Was it the brand new AD hire?  Or was it the NBA reject's best friend who is powerful Chairman of the Board of Trustees?  I wonder who did it.  Ask people around IU and they'll tell you, it was Quinny.

2) You can't chalk up a 16-0 +479 point differential B1G and Football National Title to luck.  Too much goes into it.  First off, the whole CFB world missed Cig except Scott.  Then once IUFB took off Cig could have went to basically any "big/prestigious" program, yet he stayed at IU.  In fact, he signed his new contracts at IU faster than any other coach being mentioned with other jobs.  That's impressive and Scott made that happen.

Would Cig work with an incompetent admin?  No.  He even specified this group has to be around or else his buyout falls.

3) Since Scott took over, athletic dept revenue is up ~50%.  We went from the bottom third to the top third of the B1G.  That is not a "pretty shitty" athletics program.  That's a stunning achievement.

All the above doesn't mean Scott can't make errors with IUBB or other sports.  Of course he's not perfect and criticism can be warranted.  CDD looks like an iffy hire right now.  But it's not like Scott ruined IUBB, that happened a long time ago.

However, doing silly mental gymnastics to ignore the huge positives of the past few years is dumb.  If this stretch of IU athletics has you this unhappy, I don't know why you follow IU.

 

And you just proved the point that Dolson got lucky with Cig. Everyone else passed on him too. Dolson got lucky. Better hope he gets lucky again because the basketball program is garbage under him and not getting any better. 

[Pagoda]

Just now, IUguy77 said:

Not confusing anyone. Dolson is the AD. If he doesn’t have the balls to handle his department and do his job then I dunno what to tell him. 

He can't do his job when the guy who approves the bball coach hire and contract decides he wants to make the decision.

It's not a "balls" thing, it's the org chart.  The Chairman is one of Scott's bosses.

[AZ Hoosier]

42 minutes ago, IUguy77 said:

Not confusing anyone. Dolson is the AD. If he doesn’t have the balls to handle his department and do his job then I dunno what to tell him. 

Buckner and the BoT have to sign off on the hires... Buckner refused to do so, and made the nepotistic hire of his buddy, one who, at best, was a journeyman coach. Buckner is a prime example of the Peter Principle in action. And it comes with a large dose of arrogance, to boot.

I'm sure Purdue would love to have you as a fan.

[JSHoosier]

9 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Do people not realize the same administration that hired DeVries also hired the coach that just delivered a national title to the worst college football program of all time? The ND football/IU basketball fan are the worst kind of people on Earth.

I didn't say anything about ND football.

The same administration was the only one in college stupid enough to hire Woodson and then compounded that giving him too long. Cignetti was a great hire, basketball has been horrendously managed (and was before Dolson was AD); both statements can be true. 

[AH1971]

25 minutes ago, IUguy77 said:

And you just proved the point that Dolson got lucky with Cig. Everyone else passed on him too. Dolson got lucky. Better hope he gets lucky again because the basketball program is garbage under him and not getting any better. 

Hiring a coach is a crap shoot in any regard. Cig’s contract is tied to the current IU administration. He may have gotten “lucky” in the sense everyone else passed him up, but he along with Whitten, have made the financial commitment to keep him from everyone else. That isn’t luck, that’s what competent leadership does. Enjoy your Irish this fall and we’ll look forward to seeing you next winter/spring.

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Hiring a coach is a crap shoot in any regard. Cig’s contract is tied to the current IU administration. He may have gotten “lucky” in the sense everyone else passed him up, but he along with Whitten, have made the financial commitment to keep him from everyone else. That isn’t luck, that’s what competent leadership does. Enjoy your Irish this fall and we’ll look forward to seeing you next winter/spring.

1. Completely agree; excellent leadership finds, fundraises for, and retains people like Cig.

2. Passive-aggressive accusations that posters who disagree with you are therefore fans of other teams seems really unnecessary.

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4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Hiring a coach is a crap shoot in any regard. Cig’s contract is tied to the current IU administration. He may have gotten “lucky” in the sense everyone else passed him up, but he along with Whitten, have made the financial commitment to keep him from everyone else. That isn’t luck, that’s what competent leadership does. Enjoy your Irish this fall and we’ll look forward to seeing you next winter/spring.

It really is.  The odds of success favor the hiring of a high profile winner.  That was impossible for FB and (apparently) BB as well.

A lot of hires flameout immediately, some after a couple of seasons, and a only a few end up being long term answers.

[IUguy77]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

1. Completely agree; excellent leadership finds, fundraises for, and retains people like Cig.

2. Passive-aggressive accusations that posters who disagree with you are therefore fans of other teams seems really unnecessary.

Yea I’m not a fan of ND football. What am is tired everyone sucking off Dolson for Cig but not holding him accountable anywhere else. 

[AH1971]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

1. Completely agree; excellent leadership finds, fundraises for, and retains people like Cig.

2. Passive-aggressive accusations that posters who disagree with you are therefore fans of other teams seems really unnecessary.

I don’t know of an actual IU fan that would call this current administration incompetent given what has transpired in the football program the last 24 months. Dead giveaway. 

[Stuhoo]

Just now, IUguy77 said:

Yea I’m not a fan of ND football. What am is tired everyone sucking off Dolson for Cig but not holding him accountable anywhere else. 

1. Agree— you can absolutely be critical, especially in a thread designed for criticism, and be one-million percent dedicated to the glory of old IU.

2. Disagree— Everyone? this board has a truckload of posters calling out the administration’s handling of the bball program.

[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, IUguy77 said:

Yea I’m not a fan of ND football. What am is tired everyone sucking off Dolson for Cig but not holding him accountable anywhere else. 

So fire him lol? Cig’s contract is tied to Dolson. ND fans getting restless with IU’s rise. I get it.

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I don’t know of an actual IU fan that would call this current administration incompetent given what has transpired in the football program the last 24 months. Dead giveaway. 

Then you’d be surprised. For instance, I text with a group of IU alum college buddies; they are as IU as it gets. And during any basketball loss you’d think things were so irrevocably awful that they should close the program completely. 

[IUguy77]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

So fire him lol? Cig’s contract is tied to Dolson. ND fans getting restless with IU’s rise. I get it.

Again. Not a ND fan. I’m an IU fan and a bball fan first. I’d sell Cig today for IU to hire a real basketball coach. IU football sucked basically from the beginning of time so I have no emotional ties to football. Sure I’m glad they are good but if they weren’t I wouldnt give it all that much thought. But I do have a problem with the fact the AD department continues to screw the pooch on basketball.  

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, IUguy77 said:

Again. Not a ND fan. I’m an IU fan and a bball fan first. I’d sell Cig today for IU to hire a real basketball coach. IU football sucked basically from the beginning of time so I have no emotional ties to football. Sure I’m glad they are good but if they weren’t I wouldnt give it all that much thought. But I do have a problem with the fact the AD department continues to screw the pooch on basketball.  

Good riddance.