Fire Darian DeVries? Lol

[AH1971]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

If I was a stud and they paid massive severance, hell yeah.  This whole no coach would want the job is BS.  They get paid big $$$.  I'll take a couple of million to coach one year and if you don't like it, I take several million to walk away.  What's not to like?  :) 

 

You keep saying it's BS yet no big coach wants to touch the IU job with a 10 foot pole? Why is that? Why take $6 million at IU and be out in 3 years when I can go coach at Iowa for $4 million a year and build my program as I please and turn it into a 15-20 year career?

[Uspshoosier]

21 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Who wants to play for IU these days, as our new tradition seems to be missing the tournament

Chase Branham, Prince-Moody and most likely Trevor Manhertz.  

[str8baller]

52 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Plus Cig brought not only staff but several JMU guys over to establish his culture from day 1.  If the team is not buying in to DD's plan that missing culture piece is big.

I’m not sure I understand this often repeated excuse.  Aren’t 40% (2/5) of our starters former Drake/Devries guys? One is his son.  
 

Shertz took two guys to St. Louis with him. Dusty May took just Godin, I think. Kelsey only had two CoC guys among his top 7 scorers.  
 

The problem isn’t that Devries didn’t get to bring his guys. It’s that his scouting on “his guys” was just as bad as the scouting on all the other guys. 

[IUHoosierJoe]

20 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

If I was a stud and they paid massive severance, hell yeah.  This whole no coach would want the job is BS.  They get paid big $$$.  I'll take a couple of million to coach one year and if you don't like it, I take several million to walk away.  What's not to like?  :) 

 

So, from your last two posts…nobody wants to play for us, but great coaches want to coach for us…and apparently you think Dolson just hired the worst applicant of all the great coaches?

I think some of you just self-soothe by pissing on the program no matter how little sense you make.

[ronzo4IU]

34 minutes ago, iubb said:

And is a giant res light to any coach that may want the job.

 

would you leave your current job for a new job that may pay you more, but has massive layoffs every year?

 

I don't think it would be a red light to a coach like CIg who was super confident in his abilities and plan with the added resources @ around 10 mil plus pay upgrade and all the other perks that come with a National Spotlight job like IU is. IMO

[Uspshoosier]

19 minutes ago, str8baller said:

The problem isn’t that Devries didn’t get to bring his guys. It’s that his scouting on “his guys” was just as bad as the scouting on all the other guys. 

Everyone would have missed the scout on Tucker.   Wouldn’t have a reason that a 2 MVC player of the year that looked the part of a high major player  last year at West Virginia wouldn’t have worked out.  Sadly for IU Tucker lost his fast ball.   I have no clue if he missed the scouting Enright.  No clue if he recruited him to be a starter or bench piece that was familiar with his system.  If he recruited him to be a starter then yeah big time miss however if he recruited him to be a glue guy bench piece then not sure he miss the scout on that 

[ronzo4IU]

DD has to hone his skills at exactly the right players to go after and then close the deal.  He may have to start studying a ton more tape like i've heard Dusty May, (Cig) does.  Maybe he does already have that skill and just was too new and unknown at this job to close the deal on his top choices last year, but this off season he has to land those players, no if ands or butts.

[Home Jersey]

56 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

I don't think it would be a red light to a coach like CIg who was super confident in his abilities and plan with the added resources @ around 10 mil plus pay upgrade and all the other perks that come with a National Spotlight job like IU is. IMO

Cig is 1 of 1. 

Stevens isn't coming lol. May isn't coming. Pearl isn't coming. Etc.

No good coach is going to let a hungry fanbase dissuade them from taking a good job. Everyone will have their own preferences and priorities for a job. We wasted time with Archie and Woodson. DDV should get 3 years (probably will get at least 4) to put a compelling product on the floor and if he doesn't he should go. 

IU basketball is really not in the national spotlight and hasn't been since Zeller basically IMO. All the talk about this program being on life support is just dramatics from us hardcore fans. We're not relevant in the national conversation and haven't been for some time. The IUBB we all picture in our heads is dead. There's no urgency to save it because it's dead and buried. A new iteration needs to eventually take its place. 

If DDV doesn't work out, we'll just be back to looking for a young up and comer. That was the Archie hire. The Woody hire, I guess, was trying to juice the fanbase (more likely a favor to a buddy). The DDV hire is the same up and comer type of hire Archie was. That's probably the pond IU has to fish in for basketball coaches. Maybe that changes eventually if DDV can deliver. If he can't, the AD needs to figure out where they're going wrong. Like maybe get someone with 10+ years experience as a HC next time.

Or maybe DDV will figure it out, if the fans can find it in their hearts to forgive the stinker of a season this is. In the meantime fans should feel free to tune out from basketball until it's worth watching and celebrate our wildly successful football program.

[str8baller]

21 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Everyone would have missed the scout on Tucker.   Wouldn’t have a reason that a 2 MVC player of the year that looked the part of a high major player  last year at West Virginia wouldn’t have worked out.

His stats are basically identical to last years. Looking at his game logs, he looks like the player he is this year. He’s consistent against midmajor and below teams and inconsistent against P5 competition.   He’s not nothing at IU. He’s just too slow and quite frankly disengaged to be effective on defense. 
 

I remember watching him at Drake. He looked the same. Size of a high major. Great skills, but pretty slow and grounded. But lots of starters are slower at that level.  Didn’t hold him back much then. Deal breaker at the P5 level. 
 

I mean, as father, I get it. I’m not trying to belabor the point because lots of good coaches play their kid when they shouldn’t. But as an IU fan it is Just one more kick in the nuts, in a long line of them, that our hotshot new coach in Year 1 loads up his team with seniors plus his senior kid to try and have a nice season for his boy. 

[AH1971]

15 minutes ago, str8baller said:

His stats are basically identical to last years. Looking at his game logs, he looks like the player he is this year. He’s consistent against midmajor and below teams and inconsistent against P5 competition.   He’s not nothing at IU. He’s just too slow and quite frankly disengaged to be effective on defense. 
 

I remember watching him at Drake. He looked the same. Size of a high major. Great skills, but pretty slow and grounded. But lots of starters are slower at that level.  Didn’t hold him back much then. Deal breaker at the P5 level. 
 

I mean, as father, I get it. I’m not trying to belabor the point because lots of good coaches play their kid when they shouldn’t. But as an IU fan it is Just one more kick in the nuts, in a long line of them, that our hotshot new coach in Year 1 loads up his team with seniors plus his senior kid to try and have a nice season for his boy. 

Tucker was extremely efficient last year and had a monster showing in the Battle of Atlantis. He isn’t a shell of himself this year.

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

You keep saying it's BS yet no big coach wants to touch the IU job with a 10 foot pole? Why is that? Why take $6 million at IU and be out in 3 years when I can go coach at Iowa for $4 million a year and build my program as I please and turn it into a 15-20 year career?

So my post was a bit unclear and should have specified the the reasoning -- the fans, expectations, etc.  They are not not coming here because of fans and us dorks on a message board.  

No "big" time coach is going to Iowa.  They took a flyer on an up and comer.  Essentially what we have to do -- yes we have become Iowa, or worse.  :) 

"Big" time coaches don't come here because they don't have to.  It's no longer "Indiana" -- as Tom Crean said.  They get resources and can build programs at their current schools.  Show me a big time coach that would leave his current gig for ours -- it doesn't exist.  As Cig has said, "why would I leave, I am at the top of college football now."    

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Chase Branham, Prince-Moody and most likely Trevor Manhertz.  

Sure, we get a few here and there.  But the point is players aren't knocking down the door to play here. 

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

So, from your last two posts…nobody wants to play for us, but great coaches want to coach for us…and apparently you think Dolson just hired the worst applicant of all the great coaches?

I think some of you just self-soothe by pissing on the program no matter how little sense you make.

Where did I say "great" coaches?  What I said, and clarified above, is that coaches aren't skipping IU because of fans and expectations.   They aren't skipping us for money either.  They are skipping IU because they don't have to come here anymore.  It's no longer "Indiana."  Sure we have banners, but as the t-shirt said the other night -- they are dusty banners.  

[Solsberryberries]

As far as Tucker goes…

It seems to me like something else is going on-  maybe back issues?  
 

He appears to be significantly out of shape-  like 25 pounds worth.  If he takes himself and his role half of what I would hope he does, then I’m guessing there’s some sort of nagging injury.  I mean, that would be the only legitimate excuse for being gassed in January, right?

[AH1971]

7 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

So my post was a bit unclear and should have specified the the reasoning -- the fans, expectations, etc.  They are not not coming here because of fans and us dorks on a message board.  

No "big" time coach is going to Iowa.  They took a flyer on an up and comer.  Essentially what we have to do -- yes we have become Iowa, or worse.  :) 

"Big" time coaches don't come here because they don't have to.  It's no longer "Indiana" -- as Tom Crean said.  They get resources and can build programs at their current schools.  Show me a big time coach that would leave his current gig for ours -- it doesn't exist.  As Cig has said, "why would I leave, I am at the top of college football now."    

My post was in reference to Ben McCollum who was the “big coach” in this years cycle. McCollum took less money to go to a program where he could build his team rather than taking a job with delusional fan expectations.

But yes, you are right, no “big” or established coach is going to leave their current gig for Indiana. If this is universally accepted, I’m not sure why we are shouting for a year 1 guy to be fired less than 20 games in.

[Golfman25]

Just now, AH1971 said:

My post was in reference to Ben McCollum who was the “big coach” in this years cycle. McCollum took less money to go to a program where he could build his team rather than taking a job with delusional fan expectations.

But yes, you are right, no “big” or established coach is going to leave their current gig for Indiana. If this is universally accepted, I’m not sure why we are shouting for a year 1 guy to be fired less than 20 games in.

You know his reasoning for taking the Iowa job how?  You're just guessing.  Could just as well be that he was actually born there.  

[Kentuckysucks]

2 hours ago, AH1971 said:

And this is why this cycle we're in is no longer a cycle...

Pope, Kelsey, Dusty, likely McCollum, etc can all make the tournament year 1 but at Indiana it's always a 4 year rebuild.  Maybe our administration consistently hiring crap coaches is the problem. 

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, Kentuckysucks said:

Pope, Kelsey, Dusty, likely McCollum, etc can all make the tournament year 1 but at Indiana it's always a 4 year rebuild.  Maybe our administration consistently hiring crap coaches is the problem. 

Making the tourney year 1 doesn’t guarantee success for a coaching tenure just like missing the tourney year 1 doesn’t mean a coaches tenure failed.   Just makes fans feel better when they start out hot.   

[Home Jersey]

2 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Pope, Kelsey, Dusty, likely McCollum, etc can all make the tournament year 1 but at Indiana it's always a 4 year rebuild.  Maybe our administration consistently hiring crap coaches is the problem. 

You feel confident saying DDV is a crap coach? Based solely on 19 games at Indiana? 

[Kentuckysucks]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

You feel confident saying DDV is a crap coach? Based solely on 19 games at Indiana? 

No.  I think he knows the game pretty well. His personality or lack thereof will likely be his downfall.