Stuhoo Posted February 27 Posted February 27 36 minutes ago, Lebowski said: Good coaching doesn't need a majority of the team to be multi-year players. They just need buy-in and the right guys on the team. They build chemistry in the locker room. They get every bit of talent out of their players regardless the talent level. And they win. They always win. You will see a common theme in my belief that McCollum would be the wrong choice for the IU job - and it's not coaching or a referendum on whether McCollum is a good coach (hint - he is). It is that he has never been at, managed, or had any leadership role in a large organization. Not as a player, as an assistant coach, nor as a head coach. The Indiana job is far, far more than a floor coaching job. It is a recruiting job, a staff management job, an NIL/budgeting job, a fundraising job, a high-level- national talent evaluation and acquisition job, a media relations job, and finally, a coaching job - against the best of the best. McCollum may be that guy but there is no resume for many of those criteria, and I am confident that there are other very good options that are also very good coaches that would far better satisfy many of those criteria. That being said, McCollum is a lottery ticket that could equate to 25 years of awesomeness! Kentuckysucks, taco corp, go iu bb and 1 other 4 Quote
Lebowski Posted February 27 Posted February 27 1 hour ago, Stuhoo said: You will see a common theme in my belief that McCollum would be the wrong choice for the IU job - and it's not coaching or a referendum on whether McCollum is a good coach (hint - he is). It is that he has never been at, managed, or had any leadership role in a large organization. Not as a player, as an assistant coach, nor as a head coach. The Indiana job is far, far more than a floor coaching job. It is a recruiting job, a staff management job, an NIL/budgeting job, a fundraising job, a high-level- national talent evaluation and acquisition job, a media relations job, and finally, a coaching job - against the best of the best. McCollum may be that guy but there is no resume for many of those criteria, and I am confident that there are other very good options that are also very good coaches that would far better satisfy many of those criteria. I completely understand your concerns. I also don't have any worry about those kind of things (except maybe the NIL aspect). I'm not too worried about it because all of those things on your list is part of being a head coach at the college level. The "high-level" stuff doesn't concern me. Because when a coach wins, the talent gravitates to the coach, not the other way around. (Winning takes care of a lot of your concerns to be frank. The fundraising, the NIL, etc. etc.) He knows what kind of talent he wants and what kind of assistants coaching his team. Good coaches have been doing this since the begging of sport. I know D2 isn't really the type of national attention you're talking about but he's been able to handle the 'national' media relations at least 4 times and doing just fine this year. Dolson should go after a coach like Rick Pitino first and foremost but I will be absolutely comfortable if IUBB hires this guy. This kind of hire isn't really taking a chance in my opinion. Whoever hires him, because a blue blood or P4 will, will be getting a really good coach. Coaching matters. If McCollum ends up being a bust and it doesn't work, I will gladly eat crow. Quote
Stuhoo Posted February 27 Posted February 27 1 minute ago, Lebowski said: I completely understand your concerns. I also don't have any worry about those kind of things (except maybe the NIL aspect). I'm not too worried about it because all of those things on your list is part of being a head coach at the college level. The "high-level" stuff doesn't concern me. Because when a coach wins, the talent gravitates to the coach, not the other way around. (Winning takes care of a lot of your concerns to be frank. The fundraising, the NIL, etc. etc.) He knows what kind of talent he wants and what kind of assistants coaching his team. Good coaches have been doing this since the begging of sport. I know D2 isn't really the type of national attention you're talking about but he's been able to handle the 'national' media relations at least 4 times and doing just fine this year. Dolson should got after a coach like Rick Pitino first and foremost but I will be absolutely comfortable if IUBB hires this guy. This kind of hire isn't really taking a chance in my opinion. Whoever hires him, because a blue blood or P4 will, will be getting a really good coach. Coaching matters. If McCollum ends up being a bust and it doesn't work, I will gladly eat crow. So riddle me this (not that this is the choice for IU, but it could be): If IU had a choice of McCollum or Otz, who would you hire? If IU had a choice of Drew or McCollum, who would you hire? If IU had a choice of Devries or McCollum, who would you hire? If it were 72 year old Pitino, 65 year old Pearl, or McCollum? I'm with you and choosing the 43 year old lottery ticket. Quote
Ryno6284 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said: So riddle me this (not that this is the choice for IU, but it could be): If IU had a choice of McCollum or Otz, who would you hire? If IU had a choice of Drew or McCollum, who would you hire? If IU had a choice of Devries or McCollum, who would you hire? If it were 72 year old Pitino, 65 year old Pearl, or McCollum? I'm with you and choosing the 43 year old lottery ticket. First two, I’m going with McCollum. McCollum v Devries is a toss up for me, maybe leaning Ben. Win, win either way! Quote
Lebowski Posted February 27 Posted February 27 17 minutes ago, Stuhoo said: So riddle me this (not that this is the choice for IU, but it could be): If IU had a choice of McCollum or Otz, who would you hire? If IU had a choice of Drew or McCollum, who would you hire? If IU had a choice of Devries or McCollum, who would you hire? If it were 72 year old Pitino, 65 year old Pearl, or McCollum? I'm with you and choosing the 43 year old lottery ticket. My number one and only criteria of hiring the next IUBB coach is hiring a coach who has championship experience. So that means... McCollum over Otz Drew over McCollum McCollum over Devries Pitino over Pearl and McCollum. I personally avoid Pearl as much as possible because of personal experience when I was on the USI campus when he won the 95 natty. But that doesn't mean I won't support IUBB if he's the next coach. ALASKA HOOSIER 1 Quote
Magnanimous Posted February 27 Author Posted February 27 28 minutes ago, Stuhoo said: So riddle me this (not that this is the choice for IU, but it could be): If IU had a choice of McCollum or Otz, who would you hire? If IU had a choice of Drew or McCollum, who would you hire? If IU had a choice of Devries or McCollum, who would you hire? If it were 72 year old Pitino, 65 year old Pearl, or McCollum? I'm with you and choosing the 43 year old lottery ticket. (Close enough) Stuhoo, Demo, Lebowski and 1 other 4 Quote
Stuhoo Posted February 27 Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, Magnanimous said: (Close enough) (me yelling) THAT'S NOT THE SAME NAME! Quote
ALASKA HOOSIER Posted February 27 Posted February 27 1 hour ago, Lebowski said: My number one and only criteria of hiring the next IUBB coach is hiring a coach who has championship experience. So that means... McCollum over Otz Drew over McCollum McCollum over Devries Pitino over Pearl and McCollum. I personally avoid Pearl as much as possible because of personal experience when I was on the USI campus when he won the 95 natty. But that doesn't mean I won't support IUBB if he's the next coach. Hey, i was at USI then as well! Lebowski 1 Quote
Lebowski Posted February 27 Posted February 27 54 minutes ago, ALASKA HOOSIER said: Hey, i was at USI then as well! It was a very short lived stint. I transferred out of there the following year. USI's current coach Stan Gouard was an absolute beast. He was fun to watch back in the day. But man, Pearl was toxic. And it was all still kind of fresh when I was on campus. I think I recall IU kind of being involved with that mess as well. I could be wrong. It's all documented about him being blackballed and that being the reason he was coaching at USI. Took him close to a decade to get out of Evansville. To be fair, I do recall him being jovial walking around campus. Like he was just thankful to have a coaching job, if that makes sense. I suppose I wouldn't mind if Pearl ended up at IU now that I think about it. mdn82 and ALASKA HOOSIER 2 Quote
ALASKA HOOSIER Posted February 27 Posted February 27 11 minutes ago, Lebowski said: It was a very short lived stint. I transferred out of there the following year. USI's current coach Stan Gouard was an absolute beast. He was fun to watch back in the day. But man, Pearl was toxic. And it was all still kind of fresh when I was on campus. I think I recall IU kind of being involved with that mess as well. I could be wrong. It's all documented about him being blackballed and that being the reason he was coaching at USI. Took him close to a decade to get out of Evansville. To be fair, I do recall him being jovial walking around campus. Like he was just thankful to have a coaching job, if that makes sense. I suppose I wouldn't mind if Pearl ended up at IU now that I think about it. I transferred out to IU that year but concur with what you were saying about Pearl. I met him a couple of times with the players. I think i remember Tommy Lasorda visiting there and i got to meet him but that was a long time ago mdn82 and Lebowski 2 Quote
Magnanimous Posted March 1 Author Posted March 1 Random thought, if McCollum retired from coaching this season would he make the Basketball Hall of Fame (as a coach)? There are several D2 coaches who have been inducted, Herb Magee and Clarence Gaines, for example. McCollum’s D2 success surpasses both of theirs. Quote
8bucks Posted March 1 Posted March 1 On 2/27/2025 at 12:00 PM, Lebowski said: My number one and only criteria of hiring the next IUBB coach is hiring a coach who has championship experience. So that means... McCollum over Otz Drew over McCollum McCollum over Devries Pitino over Pearl and McCollum. I personally avoid Pearl as much as possible because of personal experience when I was on the USI campus when he won the 95 natty. But that doesn't mean I won't support IUBB if he's the next coach. I have never heard of him being toxic. He got blackballed because he was recruiting a kid (Deon Thomas?) as was Illinois. He recorded a conversation with the recruit where the gifting of money and a car from Illinois were “verified” and then he turned that into the NCAA. Some suspected he baited the kid, others felt Illinois got caught but Pearl paid the price. As for championships, didn’t he win one or more at USI? Quote
Lebowski Posted March 2 Posted March 2 6 hours ago, 8bucks said: I have never heard of him being toxic. He got blackballed because he was recruiting a kid (Deon Thomas?) as was Illinois. He recorded a conversation with the recruit where the gifting of money and a car from Illinois were “verified” and then he turned that into the NCAA. Some suspected he baited the kid, others felt Illinois got caught but Pearl paid the price. As for championships, didn’t he win one or more at USI? Yeah that's all documented. The toxic part is the shady shtuff of actually doing it. Coaches didn't want to have any association with him whatsoever because of it. I don't recall the specifics, but I do recall his name being brought up with questionable shtuff regarding IU as well. I could be wrong though. My memory isn't as sharp as it was. Regardless, it doesn't really matter at this point. He won one title in 95. Almost did it in 94. Stan Gouard was a man among boys those two years and Pearl played a big part in his success. The guy can coach. Quote
JF87 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 On 2/27/2025 at 11:36 AM, Stuhoo said: So riddle me this (not that this is the choice for IU, but it could be): If IU had a choice of McCollum or Otz, who would you hire? If IU had a choice of Drew or McCollum, who would you hire? If IU had a choice of Devries or McCollum, who would you hire? If it were 72 year old Pitino, 65 year old Pearl, or McCollum? I'm with you and choosing the 43 year old lottery ticket. If IU had a choice of McCollum or Otz, who would you hire? I would be happy with either. If IU had a choice of Drew or McCollum, who would you hire? Drew (I had to edit this after looking at Drew's final AP rankings the last several years.) If IU had a choice of Devries or McCollum, who would you hire? McCollum Quote
LamarCheeks Posted March 8 Posted March 8 SIAP -- an interesting Iowa perspective on McCollum. Not necessarily advocating for him, just sharing the info ... Stuhoo and sirhoosierlot 1 1 Quote
Stuhoo Posted March 8 Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said: SIAP -- an interesting Iowa perspective on McCollum. Not necessarily advocating for him, just sharing the info ... That’s the single best pro-McCollum piece of information I’ve seen yet. If McCollum ends up being the guy, I would not be surprised if Dusty May had a pivotal role as an advocate. Scotty R 1 Quote
Hornsby Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Hide and watch fellas. The next coming of bo ryan.Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk SlammySammy 1 Quote
Magnanimous Posted March 8 Author Posted March 8 Drake on to the MVC championship. SlammySammy, Ryno6284 and sirhoosierlot 3 Quote
Asha’man Posted March 8 Posted March 8 They will win the conference regular season and tournament in year 1. If they get to the second weekend of the NCAA’s, then I think Dolson has to seriously consider McCollum. We missed out on the last wunderkind. Archie wasn’t a wunderkind, there were plenty of us who doubted. Quote
Hornsby Posted March 8 Posted March 8 They will win the conference regular season and tournament in year 1. If they get to the second weekend of the NCAA’s, then I think Dolson has to seriously consider McCollum. We missed out on the last wunderkind. Archie wasn’t a wunderkind, there were plenty of us who doubted. Yep we need turn over over the program to a guy with one year of d1 experience. Most certainly.Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk Quote
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