Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, Shooter said:

Can we at least wait until we have our portal haul, to start complaining about our portal haul?

And if we do happen to get some of the names mentioned... Burton, Fru, and Estrella are all currently rated as top 30 transfers.

I guess for that reason, I didn't really interpret the post as complaining... More acknowledging we won't spend on the Bidunga or Haralson types in the portal. Seemed like an accurate summary of the current rumor mill IMO 

[Pryght]

58 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

So, in summary, we won’t spend big on the biggest fish.  
 

Our 3 top (highest) paid realistic targets are Burton, Fru, Estrella. 
 

Bidunga dreams are over.  
 

Vaaks, Juke, Haralson as the long shot targets that aren’t likely but hope isn’t totally dashed.  
 

And we’ve landed a South Alabama 4 that doesn’t rebound or defend but can shoot it.    
 

Tune in tomorrow for the next Episode of As the Portal Turns.  

 

You must be fun at parties...

 

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

8 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I guess for that reason, I didn't really interpret the post as complaining... More acknowledging we won't spend on the Bidunga or Haralson types in the portal. Seemed like an accurate summary of the current rumor mill IMO 

Yep, just summarizing  where we stand. Seems Realistic as of now.  Not looking like a home run compared to college basketball but an improvement from last year 

Edited 2 hours ago by WayneFleekHoosier

[BA47591]

You have to pay big and get one to bite first. There has to be a couple quality pieces early to set the tone for talent to want to come. If we're sitting here in a week with our 6 current players, Olsen and a low major guard, hang it up. 

[Home Jersey]

If we spend big on Burton, Estrella and Fru (not convinced we get these guys but for the sake of conversation) 

• PG: Burton
• SG: ?? 
• SF: ?? (Dorn?)
• PF: Estrella
• C: Fru

Sisley, PAM, Olsen, Andrej, Karvala, Manhertz (redshirt likely?)

We'd 3 more spots to fill... Would need a starting CG. Bench guard. Wing.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Just now, BA47591 said:

You have to pay big and get one to bite first. There has to be a couple quality pieces early to set the tone for talent to want to come. If we're sitting here in a week with our 6 current players, Olsen and a low major guard, hang it up. 

 

Just now, BA47591 said:

You have to pay big and get one to bite first. There has to be a couple quality pieces early to set the tone for talent to want to come. If we're sitting here in a week with our 6 current players, Olsen and a low major guard, hang it up. 

Truer words have never been spoken. I’m not sure it’s the DeVries way to win those types of recruitments. I’d imagine they know they need to build like this to show we are serious about making a competive team. Burton seems like their stab at that.  

[Shooter]

12 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I guess for that reason, I didn't really interpret the post as complaining... More acknowledging we won't spend on the Bidunga or Haralson types in the portal. Seemed like an accurate summary of the current rumor mill IMO 

Fair enough, just the way it read to me. Combined with this from the same poster in the other thread:

Which is precisely why we won’t build a top 25 roster yet again.   Maybe we can outsmart the room of college basketball scouts this time around???  

[tyappleg]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

If we spend big on Burton, Estrella and Fru (not convinced we get these guys but for the sake of conversation) 

• PG: Burton
• SG: ?? 
• SF: ?? (Dorn?)
• PF: Estrella
• C: Fru

Sisley, PAM, Olsen, Andrej, Karvala, Manhertz (redshirt likely?)

We'd 3 more spots to fill... Would need a starting CG. Bench guard. Wing.

I think I'd personally rather spend our big 3 money on a guard/wing/big than guard/big/big. (Unless one of the 2 bigs is Sherrell)  But that's just me. 

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

If we spend big on Burton, Estrella and Fru (not convinced we get these guys but for the sake of conversation) 

• PG: Burton
• SG: ?? 
• SF: ?? (Dorn?)
• PF: Estrella
• C: Fru

Sisley, PAM, Olsen, Andrej, Karvala, Manhertz (redshirt likely?)

We'd 3 more spots to fill... Would need a starting CG. Bench guard. Wing.

It’s good to do these mental exercises. Brumbaugh seems like a real possibility.  Feel like we are fighting in that middle ground.   Hoping for a surprising splash or 2. I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the recruting room and see what kind of reactions our staff is getting.  

[Home Jersey]

Just now, Shooter said:

Fair enough, just the way it read to me. Combined with this from the same poster in the other thread:

Which is precisely why we won’t build a top 25 roster yet again.   Maybe we can outsmart the room of college basketball scouts this time around???  

In response to a tweet saying "if you need 5 or more you'd better have 14M" so I think the first sentence is a fair take since we need 7 (albeit a bit snarky to say "yet again") and why it's also accurate IMO to say we won't spend big on the biggest fish. As for the second sentence... we definitely did not outsmart the room last time. 

Totally get that some people are more pessimistic / optimistic than others. Worth remembering we're on a message board and sometimes it's hard to interpret / convey sentiment by text. Assuming best intent goes a long way toward having a more nuanced conversation during the offseason IMO. And the ignore feature goes a long way for many of us. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

4 minutes ago, Shooter said:

Fair enough, just the way it read to me. Combined with this from the same poster in the other thread:

Which is precisely why we won’t build a top 25 roster yet again.   Maybe we can outsmart the room of college basketball scouts this time around???  

Fair.  But also likely realistic again.  It’s always my pipe dream in the off season to build a top 25 roster. I’ve stated many times I think it’s important on a bunch of levels.  I knew it was highly unrealistic but until stuff starts leaking you never know the budget you are working with. Was hopeful we’d see a “take no prisoners” approach in the portal to put us back on the map. 

Defintely involved with some good players. If we land the right ones we could be ok.  
 

[Pryght]

10 minutes ago, Shooter said:

Fair enough, just the way it read to me. Combined with this from the same poster in the other thread:

Which is precisely why we won’t build a top 25 roster yet again.   Maybe we can outsmart the room of college basketball scouts this time around???  

Nah, your initial interpretation was spot on.

[Home Jersey]

9 minutes ago, tyappleg said:

I think I'd personally rather spend our big 3 money on a guard/wing/big than guard/big/big. (Unless one of the 2 bigs is Sherrell)  But that's just me. 

 

It's an interesting thought exercise. I don't hate the idea of spending on two bigs. I'd also like if our big 3 was spent on a guard / guard / big ... we will really need to nail the eval for the non spendy players too.

Positional size across the board is pretty much the one constant of the NIL era champions. Very curious how the roster for year 2 differs from year 1

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 minute ago, Pryght said:

Nah, your initial interpretation was spot on.

I don’t want this to be about me.

14 million needed for 5 spots is the quote. We have 12-14 million max for the whole team. Portal is too expensive for us to do ultimate damage, imo.

1. Top 25?  We all know that’s unlikely.  That’s more upsetting to me than others. acknowledged. 

2. Outsmart the scouts?  That’s our best option and maybe only option.  If you don’t get pick of the litter, youve got to see something others don’t. We failed miserably at this last season.  There is hope Carr/others can help with that his year. This is where hope lies if we aren’t outbidding on competition for the most coveted.  

[skhoosier2]

Spending wisely is going to be KEY. Carr will need to earn his paycheck with talent evals and finding the talent flying under the radar for the right price. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

8 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

It's an interesting thought exercise. I don't hate the idea of spending on two bigs. I'd also like if our big 3 was spent on a guard / guard / big ... we will really need to nail the eval for the non spendy players too.

Positional size across the board is pretty much the one constant of the NIL era champions. Very curious how the roster for year 2 differs from year 1

Haralson is interesting to me. He’s probably to expensive. He offers some things we won’t get in other recruits.  The lack of shooting will change how we play. I wonder if his cost and this factor pushes him down the list. 
 

I feel like there are 20 Euro bigs that we could get on the cheap if we are going after Fru that provides JAG qualities as a big man.  Spend that extra money for Vaaks or Harris or some 3 level scoring type guy. I’m not as high on Fru as others but maybe I’m missing the boat on him.  

[Shooter]

14 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Fair.  But also likely realistic again.  It’s always my pipe dream in the off season to build a top 25 roster. I’ve stated many times I think it’s important on a bunch of levels.  I knew it was highly unrealistic but until stuff starts leaking you never know the budget you are working with. Was hopeful we’d see a “take no prisoners” approach in the portal to put us back on the map. 

Defintely involved with some good players. If we land the right ones we could be ok.  
 

I've seen random dollar amounts thrown around. Do you have it somewhere that IU is not top 25 in basketball NIL? That would be surprising to me.

Talking about 3 top 30 guys is certainly a good sign that we're going to be spenders. We'll see who we ultimately land though.

[BtownStrength]

40 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

If we spend big on Burton, Estrella and Fru (not convinced we get these guys but for the sake of conversation) 

• PG: Burton
• SG: ?? 
• SF: ?? (Dorn?)
• PF: Estrella
• C: Fru

Sisley, PAM, Olsen, Andrej, Karvala, Manhertz (redshirt likely?)

We'd 3 more spots to fill... Would need a starting CG. Bench guard. Wing.

Haven't seen much of Estrella, would he be able to coexist with Fru? Or are their skill sets too overlapping? 

[RaceToTheTop]

41 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I guess for that reason, I didn't really interpret the post as complaining... More acknowledging we won't spend on the Bidunga or Haralson types in the portal. Seemed like an accurate summary of the current rumor mill IMO 

There is something noteworthy as well when looking at some of the 'big names':  I think as fans we tend to over or under value players.  Burton is ranked 17th in the portal on 247, Fru is ranked 24th, and Estrella is ranked 26th.  Haralson is ranked 40th.  

At the end of the day, Haralson is a big name because of what he was expected to do at Notre Dame.  At the end of the day, the fact that he has no perimeter game is a huge wart.

 

[RaceToTheTop]

16 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Haralson is interesting to me. He’s probably to expensive. He offers some things we won’t get in other recruits.  The lack of shooting will change how we play. I wonder if his cost and this factor pushes him down the list. 
 

I feel like there are 20 Euro bigs that we could get on the cheap if we are going after Fru that provides JAG qualities as a big man.  Spend that extra money for Vaaks or Harris or some 3 level scoring type guy. I’m not as high on Fru as others but maybe I’m missing the boat on him.  

I agree with you on Fru but not Haralson.  I think Fru is going to end up back in Germany when he finds the portal market isn't going to pay him what he thinks he's worth.  Haralson is interesting -- both good and bad.  At the end of the day, having a 6'7" player on the court whom you don't have to guard at all on the perimeter limits a team's offense.

Estrella I really like.