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Class of '66 Old Fart

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Great opportunity to right the ship to move on to bigger things with better talent.

Regardless, of positivity from coach struggling earlier vs pre season schedule and really allowing mid pack big ten teams to take games along with more elite teams being able to just kick it up a gear when battling with some good effort (moral victories) is a recipe for losing (IU football in years past…see what the future holds for short and long term on that one).

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Dang this was fun earlier comments and interactions now it’s all just dead again lol.

I do wish the culture could change some. I personally never watched a women’s game or until I casually turned on a  an Indiana-Iowa game in 2022. I watched it and it was a lot of fun. Since then I’ve watched either on the 8 subscriptions you have to buy (exaggerating of course), attended several home and away games, tournament games when they were at home, and even got season tickets this year despite living over 2 hours away. It’s enjoyable basketball.

I get men’s basketball is more popular, but Indiana men’s basketball has been mostly trash since they ran off Mike Davis. And anyone in their right mind that’s going to trash Davis off this comment, we at least seen a final four and a national championship. That 2002 team was pure basketball and Morens last several years reminded me some of that team. Crean had a few good years, but I was in school during a few of them and personally knew someone on the roster from my small Indiana school, a kid who had zero business anywhere near a d1 school let alone Iu. His dad was an adidas rep. Crean was dead to me the minute he got to be there for 4 years. He rarely played but it was principal for me, the guy was garbage and couldn’t have made any d1 roster in the country no matter how small. I loved playing basketball but had zero illusions I could ever play at any level beyond an open gym or park and had zero issues going toe to toe on the floor with said player. 

Indiana men’s have been a long way off for a long time. Jackson Davis gave a few years of making Indiana relevant, he was really good. But the women’s team have been really good, top 5 for a portion. Get support when they are hot but it fades as fast as it comes. 
 

I had my doubts at the beginning of the season, it was a rough start. But  moren did make corrections and make it as good as it could be and made me a believer. Iowa was subpar this year still fills the stands. The new Indiana ticket policy my tickets were 40 rows up and many in the first 20 rows were open. 
 

she’s a good coach and could make this team a contender for years to come, and she wants to be here. We could be the level of a South Carolina and et all. You’ve seen the dorks that coach usc, ucla, South Carolina. Does Anyone really think they are better coaches than Moren? I don’t.

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10 minutes ago, Claxdj01 said:

Dang this was fun earlier comments and interactions now it’s all just dead again lol.

I do wish the culture could change some. I personally never watched a women’s game or anything else until I casually turned on a  an Indiana-Iowa game in 2022. I watched it and it was a lot of fun. Since then I’ve watched either on the 8 subscriptions you have to buy (exaggerating of course), attended several home and away games, tournament games when they were at home, and even got season tickets this year despite living over 2 hours away. It’s enjoyable basketball.

I get men’s basketball is more popular, but Indiana men’s basketball has been mostly trash since they ran off Mike Davis. Crean had a few good years, but I was in school during a few of them and personally knew someone on the roster from my small Indiana school, a kid who had zero business anywhere near a d1 school let alone Iu. His dad was an adidas rep. Crean was dead to me the minute he got to be there for 4 years. He rarely played but it was principal for me, the guy was garbage and couldn’t have made any d1 roster in the country no matter how small. 

Indiana men’s have been a long way off for a long time. Jackson Davis gave a few years of making Indiana relevant, he was really good. But the women’s team have been really good, top 5 for a portion. Get support when they are hot but it fades as fast as it comes. 
 

I had my doubts at the beginning of the season, it was a rough start. But  moren did make corrections and make it as good as it could be and made me a believer. Iowa was subpar this year still fills the stands. The new Indiana ticket policy my tickets were 40 rows up and many in the first 20 rows were open. 
 

she’s a good coach and could make this team a contender for years to come, and she wants to be here. We could be the level of a South Carolina and et all. You’ve seen the dorks that coach usc, ucla, South Carolina. Does Anyone really think they are better coaches than Moren? I don’t.

I don't think they are better coaches, but they recruit better athletes and size. If IU wants to break through they are going to have to get bigger and more athletic. If Clark couldn't win it at Iowa, then we have no shot without some changes. 

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5 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

I don't think they are better coaches, but they recruit better athletes and size. If IU wants to break through they are going to have to get bigger and more athletic. If Clark couldn't win it at Iowa, then we have no shot without some changes. 

I don’t buy all of that.

She absolutely does need to bring in some better recruits, better athletes. Clark’s last 2 years though we were 2-2 a buzzer beater from 3-1. We could beat them and did.  Sometimes it comes to matchups. Would have you liked the chances better last year of playing Iowa in the tournament or losing to South Carolina with a 6-7 giant by 4?

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Seems like people are "whistling past the graveyard" or rationalizing the situation. To me:

1. Moren is a great game coach. It's amazing how she can take an outmanned team and play schools like South Carolina or Ohio State even, or even beat them. That is a feat, BUT

2. Being "outmanned" to begin with is her own fault for recruiting fails--Blakes, Howell, Lauren Hurst, Zania Socka-Nguemen, et al.  Can you get all of them? Of course not. Should you get more than what IU does? Look at USC or Ohio State or Maryland. Someone on this forum said earlier that CTM at Indiana State had a reputation for being hard to play for, and drove people off. Seems like there is SOMETHING at work here, to lose so many top people. Are people being scared off by something? Does she tell recruits that they are expected to be in the gym for 6+ hours a day or something?

To say that you only want people who "fit your culture" seems like a dodge for outright recruiting fails.

3. CTM was like daring the subs like Lex, or Faith Wiseman, or Valentyna to transfer. In a down year, there is no opportunity for them to get minutes? Faith Wiseman is so hopeless that she does not deserve some extended playing time, just to see how she can do, and develop? I don't know why she would not transfer to some place that will give her a shot.

Sad to say, in college basketball, recruiting is half of the game, and IU has come up short. I question whether it is "people not fitting our culture". The solution? Maybe face this fact (that there IS a problem), and get a crackerjack recruiting coordinator, on par with this guy CTM brought in from the Indiana Fever.

Just saying . . . 

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Still think that Moren went out of her way to specifically state IU needs to add bigger and more athletic players and grow as the women's game has grown is getting lost in the need to post that she hasn't landed the right people to win at the top. She clearly gets it. On the 'hard to play for comment,' well, yeah. She wants players who want to work hard and play team ball. There are players who want to be one-way scorers and more of a look at me so I can make the pros player. That won't fly under Moren, but I don't buy for a second that she needs to give up on that approach to add players to win. She recruits players who win, but also want to work hard, and again, we're already competing with the top programs. So, add the freaking athletes and size. Really think she won't win more with them? 

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18 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Still think that Moren went out of her way to specifically state IU needs to add bigger and more athletic players and grow as the women's game has grown is getting lost in the need to post that she hasn't landed the right people to win at the top. She clearly gets it. On the 'hard to play for comment,' well, yeah. She wants players who want to work hard and play team ball. There are players who want to be one-way scorers and more of a look at me so I can make the pros player. That won't fly under Moren, but I don't buy for a second that she needs to give up on that approach to add players to win. She recruits players who win, but also want to work hard, and again, we're already competing with the top programs. So, add the freaking athletes and size. Really think she won't win more with them? 

100 percent agree.   Coach Moren couldn't have made it any clearer in her statements a few weeks back what they will need to succeed to move forward.   More athletic and bigger.  These players that are jumping ship to meet the mold and now its time for coach Moren to put her money where her mouth is and bring them in.  Can she do it?   Time will tell

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8 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Ohio State junior forward Cotie McMahon has entered the transfer portal, per source. McMahon averaged 16.5 points and 4.7 rebounds a game last year for Ohio State.

She's a complete beast. A little temperamental. Will be a top five player nationally in the women's portal.

Interesting that Coach Moren and McMahon have a really good relationship - CTM coached her in FIBA:

“She is the ultimate competitor. She gets that ball and she's thinking one thing, and that's ‘how can I score it?’” Moren said. “‘Freight train’ is a complimentary term that I use to describe her. I mean, she pins her ears back and she's thinking about playing fast…she's just so strong at the rim.” 

Having played with and against each other, McMahon says that she knows that she is able to go to T-Mo, as she affectionately calls her assistant coach, with just about anything, and Moren can challenge McMahon a bit more than other players when the team needs an energy boost.  

That relationship, having only really been formed and developed over the past two years, is firmly grounded in trust in each other, and as McMahon says, love.  

“Every coach expects the most out of you,” McMahon said, “but it's just something about Coach T-Mo that really gets it out of you in a loving way. But she'll be hard on you as well. At the end of the day, she just wants what's best for you.” 

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Put Cotie McMahon out there with Yarden, Shay, Beaumont, and a rim protecting portal big and we've instantly got a top 15 team team nationally.

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Great things coming to IU Ladies basketball program…sink or swim.  
 

The transfer portal players that have average ability at major conference level and are somewhat a dime a dozen roster is going to be upgraded.  The transfer players seem to be pretty replaceable.  
 

Maybe, T. Moren has found some NIL cash ( don’t know but it would 100% help).  Two players that IU Ladies on current roster they need to keep.  Garzon and Ciezki plus Beaumont (that’s 3)…and nice to keep a backup center (Wisemen) . and Kadlecova just because.

Yes, it seems listening to post game interviews T. Moren is holding progam and herself accountable to be a high level program /standardand maybe at a crossroads in T. Moren era.  The ship is going to sail strong or else.

Cotie McMahon/OSU had a positive relationship with T. Moren in the summer that Moren was coaching her.  (did not like the way she went through post game line with Tennessee coach after losing game…uncalled for though she was frustrated and post game interview was a bad look or maybe competitiveness coming out because she was frustrated and mad.  This year Ohio State was not as good as they have been.  (T. Moren possibility could be a game changer for McMahon…with Yardon, Shay, and a big good center along with Beaumont and the two incoming freshman who are not going to push anyone around in big ten…and another high level transfer portal player along with Kadlecova.  (Don’t need as many players like in football Lol).

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

As much as I want the men's team to return to national glory, Cotie McMahon just overtook the #1 spot for my IU Basketball wish list.

Not happening. She will be off to a big time program. I wish but not realistic

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Currie-Jelks entering makes the 'rumored' five number everyone said on here. Hopefully that's it unless Kadlecova wants to go.

The other four left are vital to next yr and future and would really raise alarm bells of how sturdy program really is. Yarden, Shay, Lenee, and Faith are important to future and really eating at meat of program's values if they leave. So far just bone has been shed mostly. 

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2 minutes ago, Aaron said:

Currie-Jelks entered and that's the 'rumored' five number everyone said on here. Hopefully that's it unless Kadlecova wants to go.

The other four left are vital to next yr and future and would really raise alarm bells of how sturdy program really is. Yarden, Shay, Lenee, and Faith are important to future and really eating at meat of program's values. So far just bone has been shed mostly. 

I saw tiny glimpses of really good court vision from Kadlecova. I wonder if she could be a useful player down the road.

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1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

I saw tiny glimpses of really good court vision from Kadlecova. I wonder if she could be a useful player down the road.

Very doubtful. She had one yr left of eligibility. Never really good enough for this level and was slowed by pregnancy a couple of yrs ago (not that I blame her for having a baby at all but that's reality).

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10 minutes ago, Aaron said:

Very doubtful. She had one yr left of eligibility. Never really good enough for this level and was slowed by pregnancy a couple of yrs ago (not that I blame her for having a baby at all but that's reality).

Sorry but that was not who was being referred to.  
Kadlecoca was a late addition freshman.

Currie-Jelks is who you are referring to.

My opinion:  Good to see roster get a scrubbing (maybe, a couple 50/50.  However, every player in the transfer portal is very replaceable)……with a good opportunity to be much better.

 

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