They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hornsby 2,931]

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If you think I'm seriously posting in For Wisdom thread about being excited about a 2nd round blowout, I have this wonderful bridge I'd like to sell you at a bargain price.

No I do not at all. I was just stating why I can't get excited cause he is going to get a couple portal guys. I've seen what he can do with tjd and 2nd round was it.

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[Hornsby 2,931]

Anyone know who this is? NGW https://x.com/hoosier7681/status/1779294189588517030?s=46&t=OgfEPIK-eQquPk7YQfYlaA

 

Guys like that are popping up on twitter left and right now. Most all like to "say Woodson is cooking". For everyone you mute another pops up in your feed. 

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[Banksyrules 5,170]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Anyone know who this is? NGW

https://x.com/hoosier7681/status/1779294189588517030?s=46&t=OgfEPIK-eQquPk7YQfYlaA

To be fair, I think it can be anyone at this point.  Sadly I think a lot of people think they have to choose a side.  The "True Fans" speech kind threw a match into a gas station.   I just want my program back to being good. If somehow Woodson changes all of our addressed concerns and there's a light at the end of the tunnel, I would welcome it with open arms. Even at face of people telling me how stupid I was to question his coaching and approach to recruiting.  

[IUCrazy2 2,584]

9 hours ago, Banksyrules said:

To be fair, I think it can be anyone at this point.  Sadly I think a lot of people think they have to choose a side.  The "True Fans" speech kind threw a match into a gas station.   I just want my program back to being good. If somehow Woodson changes all of our addressed concerns and there's a light at the end of the tunnel, I would welcome it with open arms. Even at face of people telling me how stupid I was to question his coaching and approach to recruiting.  

I want him to do well enough that he figures he can leave with his head held high.  The goal is him leaving but with a product that is more fun to watch and looks more attractive to the guy that will shortly be replacing him.

[Silat Player 890]

15 hours ago, Feathery said:

I’d have the Stevens to IU at 0%. The guy doesn’t want to recruit and he stopped coaching to work in the front office. Sounds like he doesn’t even want to coach anymore either.  

Yep, this. I think people who get excited about the Masshole are thinking about Stevens from 2010. 

He left college coaching and then coaching altogether. Didn't want to do it anymore. The last thing IU needs is another coach who hasn't been a head coach for a long time who might not really be interested in doing all facets of the job. 

It could be Woody all over again. 

No thanks...

[bigrod 2,915]

11 hours ago, Banksyrules said:

To be fair, I think it can be anyone at this point.  Sadly I think a lot of people think they have to choose a side.  The "True Fans" speech kind threw a match into a gas station.   I just want my program back to being good. If somehow Woodson changes all of our addressed concerns and there's a light at the end of the tunnel, I would welcome it with open arms. Even at face of people telling me how stupid I was to question his coaching and approach to recruiting.  

It really is sad that IU basketball has devolved into this state. We are now the type of program where people gloat over winning the off-season. I'm pretty sure many of the same people were gloating last year because many thought we had also won that off-season.

Call me a skeptic, but I'll believe it when to translates to wins. I'm happy we are getting some good players to come here, but I can't say I'm surprised by it, nor do or think that it makes Woodson a better coach. He has had talent every year he has been here. He is the same coach who decided to sit on a scholly last year because we didn't need another guard.

The optimist in me thinks maybe this season has been enough to make Woody realize that his methods aren't working and he will change for next season. The realist thinks he is extremely bull-headed and/or tone deaf and will continue to pound the square peg into the round hole to prove to everyone his way is best, and then the excuses will ensue. I guess we will see...

[Stuhoo 84,183]

23 minutes ago, bigrod said:

It really is sad that IU basketball has devolved into this state. We are now the type of program where people gloat over winning the off-season. I'm pretty sure many of the same people were gloating last year because many thought we had also won that off-season.

Call me a skeptic, but I'll believe it when to translates to wins. I'm happy we are getting some good players to come here, but I can't say I'm surprised by it, nor do or think that it makes Woodson a better coach. He has had talent every year he has been here. He is the same coach who decided to sit on a scholly last year because we didn't need another guard.

The optimist in me thinks maybe this season has been enough to make Woody realize that his methods aren't working and he will change for next season. The realist thinks he is extremely bull-headed and/or tone deaf and will continue to pound the square peg into the round hole to prove to everyone his way is best, and then the excuses will ensue. I guess we will see...

I’ll give you some double-edged sword reason for hope: 

Our roster last season was really poorly constructed. Talent? Sure, but terrible balance. And even worse talent distribution and evaluation. Believing that X and Gunn could be key pieces was a season-killing bad decision. X could have been good as part of a deep guard rotation  but relying on him as a 30+ minute starter and shooter? Not good.

So Woody didn’t really try to pound a square peg into a round hole. His starting guards for the majority of the season were Cupps and Galloway. Turning into a volume three team with those guards? Now that would have been pounding a square peg into a round hole. The season was kinda screwed before it started and that’s on Woody, but the offense was about all we could do with the guards we were using.

[Hoosierfan2017 22,618]

21 minutes ago, bigrod said:

It really is sad that IU basketball has devolved into this state. We are now the type of program where people gloat over winning the off-season. I'm pretty sure many of the same people were gloating last year because many thought we had also won that off-season.

Call me a skeptic, but I'll believe it when to translates to wins. I'm happy we are getting some good players to come here, but I can't say I'm surprised by it, nor do or think that it makes Woodson a better coach. He has had talent every year he has been here. He is the same coach who decided to sit on a scholly last year because we didn't need another guard.

The optimist in me thinks maybe this season has been enough to make Woody realize that his methods aren't working and he will change for next season. The realist thinks he is extremely bull-headed and/or tone deaf and will continue to pound the square peg into the round hole to prove to everyone his way is best, and then the excuses will ensue. I guess we will see...

It’s nothing new. We’ve been that type of program for years. 

[Uspshoosier 48,190]

7 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

And even worse talent evaluation.

Players in the portal that have been ranked as transfers that have been targeted by the past 2 staffs 

Glenn-108

Essegian-138

Gunn-165

Nickel-186

Kaiser- 189

Bond- 199

Justin Taylor- 201

Morton- 223

Aire-277

Hart-  268

Whitt- 288

 

[Feathery 4,005]

13 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Guys like that are popping up on twitter left and right now. Most all like to "say Woodson is cooking". For everyone you mute another pops up in your feed. 

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Almost like a company has been paid to do a social media campaign. It’s weird. 

[Stuhoo 84,183]

6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Players in the portal that have been ranked as transfers that have been targeted by the past 2 staffs 

Glenn-108

Essegian-138

Gunn-165

Nickel-186

Kaiser- 189

Bond- 199

Justin Taylor- 201

Morton- 223

Aire-277

Hart-  268

Whitt- 288

 

I was referring to the evaluation of the guards that we went into the season with; the thought that they were sufficient and could be a success.

[Uspshoosier 48,190]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

I was referring to the evaluation of the guards that we went into the season with; the thought that they were sufficient and could be a success.

I just wanted to show how bad talent evaluation at IU has been the last 2 coaching staffs.   Some of those kids were the staffs top targets at one point 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,333]

I just wanted to show how bad talent evaluation at IU has been the last 2 coaching staffs.   Some of those kids were the staffs top targets at one point 

Right on USPS. It’s been remarkably bad. I’m not convinced Woody has been great either though.

 

Woody is doing things differently though where he is trying to recruit “starters” and then bench guys. So far, his bench guys have been mostly terrible and starters/freshman have been a little hit and miss.

 

The Ledlum primary target with the evaluation to hold with X and Gallo was a catastrophic decision to last season.

 

I mean, JHS, Reneau, Ware, Mgbako they had certain skills that were going to translate.

 

Most of everything else has been a miss.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Right on USPS. It’s been remarkably bad. I’m not convinced Woody has been great either though.

 

Woody is doing things differently though where he is trying to recruit “starters” and then bench guys. So far, his bench guys have been mostly terrible and starters/freshman have been a little hit and miss.

 

The Ledlum primary target with the evaluation to hold with X and Gallo was a catastrophic decision to last season.

 

I mean, JHS, Reneau, Ware, Mgbako they had certain skills that were going to translate.

 

Most of everything else has been a miss.

 

 

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Whatever happened to that GM idea I heard so much about last month. LOL

[Stuhoo 84,183]

14 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Right on USPS. It’s been remarkably bad. I’m not convinced Woody has been great either though.

 

Woody is doing things differently though where he is trying to recruit “starters” and then bench guys. So far, his bench guys have been mostly terrible and starters/freshman have been a little hit and miss.

 

The Ledlum primary target with the evaluation to hold with X and Gallo was a catastrophic decision to last season.

 

I mean, JHS, Reneau, Ware, Mgbako they had certain skills that were going to translate.

 

Most of everything else has been a miss.

 

 

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There’s been some good evals too. That’s what 13 scholarships are for; some misses—enough hits.

But the complete lack of hits in one group-the guard group last year was disastrous.

[bigrod 2,915]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

I’ll give you some double-edged sword reason for hope: 

Our roster last season was really poorly constructed. Talent? Sure, but terrible balance. And even worse talent distribution and evaluation. Believing that X and Gunn could be key pieces was a season-killing bad decision. X could have been good as part of a deep guard rotation  but relying on him as a 30+ minute starter and shooter? Not good.

So Woody didn’t really try to pound a square peg into a round hole. His starting guards for the majority of the season were Cupps and Galloway. Turning into a volume three team with those guards? Now that would have been pounding a square peg into a round hole. The season was kinda screwed before it started and that’s on Woody, but the offense was about all we could do with the guards we were using.

I'm not disagreeing with any of this, but this is the exact same staff that put together that poorly constructed roster last season. This is the same staff that rested on their laurels instead of trying to add another guard with the available scholarship.

The square peg/round hole, in my eyes anyway, is the thought from Woody that his job as a coach is not to try to run plays to get his best shooters open. The thought that there is nothing wrong with his offense, defense, strategy, game planning, substitution patterns. My hope is that he has seen enough the last three years to clue him in that what he is doing needs to be adjusted to the college game. My fear is that, regardless of what the record shows, he doesn't see any issues and is willing to go down with the ship proving everyone wrong.

He has said that he wants to win now and bring banner number 6. But, when things didn't go as planned, instead of looking at what is working well and what is not working well and trying to learn from it, his response was to lash out at the fans for expecting too much from him and letting everyone know that he is doing his job. Those two things do not line up. Are you happy with mediocrity or do you want to win championships? Are you trying to get better at your job or is your best course of action to tell everyone you are doing great? Are you results driven or narrative driven?

We know Woody needs a lot of talent for even moderate success, so let's hope he gets it. I see nothing to show me next season will bring any kind of championship unless Woody is willing to put the work in to figure out how to make himself and his team better. If moderate success and getting players into the league every year is good enough, then so be it.

I remember a long time ago, we had a coach who spent the whole summer putting together an offense. I wonder how much time Woody and his staff will spend analyzing and adjusting. The square peg/round hole is that nothing needs to change except work harder.

[Golfman25 6,063]

9 minutes ago, bigrod said:

I'm not disagreeing with any of this, but this is the exact same staff that put together that poorly constructed roster last season. This is the same staff that rested on their laurels instead of trying to add another guard with the available scholarship.

The square peg/round hole, in my eyes anyway, is the thought from Woody that his job as a coach is not to try to run plays to get his best shooters open. The thought that there is nothing wrong with his offense, defense, strategy, game planning, substitution patterns. My hope is that he has seen enough the last three years to clue him in that what he is doing needs to be adjusted to the college game. My fear is that, regardless of what the record shows, he doesn't see any issues and is willing to go down with the ship proving everyone wrong.

He has said that he wants to win now and bring banner number 6. But, when things didn't go as planned, instead of looking at what is working well and what is not working well and trying to learn from it, his response was to lash out at the fans for expecting too much from him and letting everyone know that he is doing his job. Those two things do not line up. Are you happy with mediocrity or do you want to win championships? Are you trying to get better at your job or is your best course of action to tell everyone you are doing great? Are you results driven or narrative driven?

We know Woody needs a lot of talent for even moderate success, so let's hope he gets it. I see nothing to show me next season will bring any kind of championship unless Woody is willing to put the work in to figure out how to make himself and his team better. If moderate success and getting players into the league every year is good enough, then so be it.

I remember a long time ago, we had a coach who spent the whole summer putting together an offense. I wonder how much time Woody and his staff will spend analyzing and adjusting. The square peg/round hole is that nothing needs to change except work harder.

Mike Woodson doesn’t adjust to the college game.  The college game adjusts to Mike Woodson.  

[Hornsby 2,931]

Almost like a company has been paid to do a social media campaign. It’s weird. 

Yep

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[WayneFleekHoosier 49,333]

Almost like a company has been paid to do a social media campaign. It’s weird. 

I tend to agree. It’s sad, but it’s actually more frustrating that this fanbase just wants a winner to root for. The vitriol from some of those accounts makes me think some of them are directly connected to program to want to get back at people and dunk on people for landing good players. Seriously just dividing the fanbase even more.


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[Hovadipo 58,644]

7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I tend to agree. It’s sad, but it’s actually more frustrating that this fanbase just wants a winner to root for. The vitriol from some of those accounts makes me think some of them are directly connected to program to want to get back at people and dunk on people for landing good players. Seriously just dividing the fanbase even more.


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Whether it’s a coordinated campaign (tend to not believe this) or just people with burners connected to the program banding together (I do believe it’s this…though I know the identity of some and can not find the connection to the program) you’re exactly right, it is awful for the fanbase and program. It accomplishes nothing and won’t be fixed by anything but winning and winning consistently. 

I’ve never really seen something like it - in the sports world, that is.