They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Golfman25]

20 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

The Hoosier Hysterics are dishing in a major major way from the vantage point of the access they used to have. Like them or hate them, I don't think the hate has been based on them being liars. And they are firing away with all cannons. Brian Evans is teeing it up for them to pile on.

Some highlights (lowlights?) re what they say about Woody?

• Woody had nothing against Matta personally, but shut him out of staff meetings
• Woody has banned players and staff from talking to the Hoosier Hysterics, but players and staff talk to them anyway
• Woody has a complete dis-interest in recruiting. Nickname among high school and AAU coaches? "Bigfoot" - known but never seen.
• Woody and Ya had an actual, legit fistfight during which Woody called Ya a 'beeyotch' as they were separated during a staff meeting.
• Woody had to ask Mark Adams what Flory/Kory Bidunga's name was during the one and only meeting Woody had with Adams about Bidunga.
• When Woody goes to football games he sits in a sky box, never with basketball recruits.
• Woody had a boys club cigar and wine outing when he also had a portal recruit dinner scheduled - Woody told the attendees he would have to leave at 7:00. When it was 7:00 they were having tons of fun. Woody told all that the recruit didn't make it to town and they ordered pizza. The Hysterics soon thereafter found out that the recruit was in town all along and ate dinner without Woody attending.

Whoooooo boy.

the last few pages are the first I have heard about a fist fight.  And the dude is still there?  Probably because old man woody can take his weak arse.  Can only wonder what Fife and Howard really did to get fired.  LOL. 

[Home Jersey]

Why should we care about IU basketball when the university clearly does not?

Program is allowed to function as a clown show because of friends in high places.

Good old boys club is getting their NIL a couple decades later.

Hardly an exaggeration to say Mike Woodson is milking the university for all its worth, monetary and other benefits. 

How am I supposed to support that? It sucks to sit here and watch the product on the floor. 

Guess I'll twiddle my thumbs this year, hoping and praying Dolson is empowered to fix this mess in the offseason.  

...... At least we have football. That's a game changer.

Let me know when IU gets serious about basketball too...

[IUFAN1976]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

Send it to the players? In the era of NIL, do you think that message only gets to them if you fire the coach they came to play for? Do you think it will make them play better? Be more dedicated? Have more loyalty? Or will this just be something that makes some fans feel better because we’re doing “something”? Remember, we had a football coach win three conference games in three years and we still waited until the season ended to fire him.

They are only loyal to the money!  If they were loyal to their coach, they would play harder and lay it in the line every single game.  It’s the money that drives them and now that they have it, they will just go through the motions, see Battle for Atlantis outcome 

[Golfman25]

14 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

It may not "unbreak" it, but it will certainly send the message that Dolson and Indiana are serious about ending this crap-fest and righting the ship... optics be damned, it's the right thing to do. Period.

Just wait for the "optics" of a hostile Assembly Hall against of former star player.  

[Banksyrules]

I’m not going to lie.  I’ve probably only watched 25 minutes worth of IU basketball this season.  I’m completely focused on college football. Just can’t see a program that purposely hurts itself time and time again. 

[coonhounds]

I enjoy ready kathys with a C posts but believing she is connected is a huge stretch for me lol. It is indeed to early to move on at this point in the season. We are realists and can tell how far from being competitive we really are. Hopefully the administration can see as well. They would have to be blind not to

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[Home Jersey]

4 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

They are only loyal to the money!  If they were loyal to their coach, they would play harder and lay it in the line every single game.  It’s the money that drives them and now that they have it, they will just go through the motions, see Battle for Atlantis outcome 

I do question how much many of them actually like/are loyal to Woody. 

"Question" as in seriously doubt it. 

I think Trey realizes he's traded basketball success for a check by virtue of playing for Woody. 

[AZ Hoosier]

4 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Send it to the players? In the era of NIL, do you think that message only gets to them if you fire the coach they came to play for? Do you think it will make them play better? Be more dedicated? Have more loyalty? Or will this just be something that makes some fans feel better because we’re doing “something”? Remember, we had a football coach win three conference games in three years and we still waited until the season ended to fire him.

To the basketball world and the fans...

Just because "we always have" doesn't mean that it's the right way or that we should continue. Remember the definition of insanity.

Do you really think the kids in the NIL/portal era come to play for a petty and mediocre coach? It's all about the Benjamins... 

[Stuhoo]

10 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

For people who want to know what has the attention of people like Dolson, you’re getting warmer. There are a couple of other things out there that follow along this same topic that have been brought to Scott’s attention. With all of that, the HH guys are often concerning to people in the AD, and the decision to keep them away from the basketball program was very much supported by the AD. They may try to suggest otherwise, but they would be wrong.

 

My canary in the coal mine moment for this year was at B1G media day, when Myles Rice naively stated that Woody treats him like a grandson; he considers Woody like a  grandfather. He said it three times, saw the reaction, and started talking into his shoes, while Gallo gave him this look:

 

Kinda the definition of "funny/not funny."

 

[Home Jersey]

26 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

The Hoosier Hysterics are dishing in a major major way from the vantage point of the access they used to have. Like them or hate them, I don't think the hate has been based on them being liars. And they are firing away with all cannons. Brian Evans is teeing it up for them to pile on.

Some highlights (lowlights?) re what they say about Woody?

• Woody had nothing against Matta personally, but shut him out of staff meetings
• Woody has banned players and staff from talking to the Hoosier Hysterics, but players and staff talk to them anyway
• Woody has a complete dis-interest in recruiting. Nickname among high school and AAU coaches? "Bigfoot" - known but never seen.
• Woody and Ya had an actual, legit fistfight during which Woody called Ya a 'beeyotch' as they were separated during a staff meeting.
• Woody had to ask Mark Adams what Flory/Kory Bidunga's name was during the one and only meeting Woody had with Adams about Bidunga.
• When Woody goes to football games he sits in a sky box, never with basketball recruits.
• Woody had a boys club cigar and wine outing when he also had a portal recruit dinner scheduled - Woody told the attendees he would have to leave at 7:00. When it was 7:00 they were having tons of fun. Woody told all that the recruit didn't make it to town and they ordered pizza. The Hysterics soon thereafter found out that the recruit was in town all along and ate dinner without Woody attending.

Whoooooo boy.

Thank you for the summary. One more point that was made - Parker Stewart being yelled at by Woody that he had "never been coached before" (knowing that he was coached by his recently deceased father). It upset Stewart so much that he left practice and drove home to Tennessee. The assistants had to scramble to get him back to school and salvage the season with him. Horrible.  

[Golfman25]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

Thank you for the summary. One more point that was made - Parker Stewart being yelled at by Woody that he had "never been coached before" (knowing that he was coached by his recently deceased father). It upset Stewart so much that he left practice and drove home to Tennessee. The assistants had to scramble to get him back to school and salvage the season with him. Horrible.  

Holly crap.  I can see a coach saying that and then immediately regretting it.  A true coach then takes the kid aside and has one of those "if I am not yelling at you, I don't care about you" conversations.  

[Stuhoo]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

Holly crap.  I can see a coach saying that and then immediately regretting it.  A true coach then takes the kid aside and has one of those "if I am not yelling at you, I don't care about you" conversations.  

Everybody says stuff that clearly came out wrong in retrospect. If Woody was only thinking about Stewart's fundamentals on the court and later realized why it was different for that young man? Agreed; it would have been unfortunate but an honest mistake.

[AZ Hoosier]

3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Thank you for the summary. One more point that was made - Parker Stewart being yelled at by Woody that he had "never been coached before" (knowing that he was coached by his recently deceased father). It upset Stewart so much that he left practice and drove home to Tennessee. The assistants had to scramble to get him back to school and salvage the season with him. Horrible.  

Yep. Woodson is thin-skinned when it comes to him being "offended", but he plows over anyone who stands in the way between his cigars, wine, golf and rubbing elbows with the Cooks and Simons... all show and no go - at least for the past 3+ seasons...

[AZ Hoosier]

2 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Holly crap.  I can see a coach saying that and then immediately regretting it.  A true coach then takes the kid aside and has one of those "if I am not yelling at you, I don't care about you" conversations.  

Not sure he regretted anything... he has to elevate himself by tearing down those who dare to challenge him, starting with Fife and Howard... from the sound of things, Matta was here to help, but when Woodson completely ignored him, Matta just went through the motions until he could get out of here... Woodson suspected that Matta was a spy for Dolson... how freaking paranoid?

[Brass Cannon]

34 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

The Hoosier Hysterics are dishing in a major major way from the vantage point of the access they used to have. Like them or hate them, I don't think the hate has been based on them being liars. And they are firing away with all cannons. Brian Evans is teeing it up for them to pile on.

Some highlights (lowlights?) re what they say about Woody?

• Woody had nothing against Matta personally, but shut him out of staff meetings
• Woody has banned players and staff from talking to the Hoosier Hysterics, but players and staff talk to them anyway
• Woody has a complete dis-interest in recruiting. Nickname among high school and AAU coaches? "Bigfoot" - known but never seen.
• Woody and Ya had an actual, legit fistfight during which Woody called Ya a 'beeyotch' as they were separated during a staff meeting.
• Woody had to ask Mark Adams what Flory/Kory Bidunga's name was during the one and only meeting Woody had with Adams about Bidunga.
• When Woody goes to football games he sits in a sky box, never with basketball recruits.
• Woody had a boys club cigar and wine outing when he also had a portal recruit dinner scheduled - Woody told the attendees he would have to leave at 7:00. When it was 7:00 they were having tons of fun. Woody told all that the recruit didn't make it to town and they ordered pizza. The Hysterics soon thereafter found out that the recruit was in town all along and ate dinner without Woody attending.

Whoooooo boy.

The fight with coach Ya was the result of Woody not knowing the opponent that we were playing in the BTT. 
 

Shockingly that but of info could be worse. Lol

[Muskie plays the four]

Link for the podcast. Can't find it TKS.

[AZ Hoosier]

1 minute ago, Muskie plays the four said:

Link for the podcast. Can't find it TKS.

It's been posted a couple of times in the recent pages of this thread... but here it is again:

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/article/hoosier-hysterics-podcast-the-state-of-iu-football-and-basketball-with-brian-evans-241025037/

[WayneFleekHoosier]

17 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

the last few pages are the first I have heard about a fist fight.  And the dude is still there?  Probably because old man woody can take his weak arse.  Can only wonder what Fife and Howard really did to get fired.  LOL. 

I've got speculations re:Howard and Fife.  As far as Yasir and the story, apparently so.  I don't mind Yasir.  I think the players probably love him.  Seems like a genuine dude.  Woody doesn't apparently take well to being disrespected.  Also mentioned again was that Walsh was trying to leave for Ohio State and they didn't want him.  Woody allowed him back.  I've always felt this staff is split in its intention and now I believe it to be even more of the case.  Matta, Fife, Howard, Yasir........ Seems to be a theme.

This is tough because I want to love all the Hoosier legends.  I believe Woody has the best intentions and genuinely wants IU to be great but........

[WayneFleekHoosier]

13 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Not sure he regretted anything... he has to elevate himself by tearing down those who dare to challenge him, starting with Fife and Howard... from the sound of things, Matta was here to help, but when Woodson completely ignored him, Matta just went through the motions until he could get out of here... Woodson suspected that Matta was a spy for Dolson... how freaking paranoid?

How much do you think Matta loves outperforming Woodson this year on a shoestring budget?

[Pagoda]

21 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I enjoy ready kathys with a C posts but believing she is connected is a huge stretch for me lol. It is indeed to early to move on at this point in the season. We are realists and can tell how far from being competitive we really are. Hopefully the administration can see as well. They would have to be blind not to

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She's almost certainly making it all up for attention.  May be a guy who knows.

I agree I doubt we fire Woody midseason.  I don't see much value in doing that -- no logical person to take over the HC role.