They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

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Just now, ap2345 said:

IU has a lot working against them but they’ve got money. I was told that would be important so it should work out great 

Yeah, IU is probably the only school in P5 with $6M in NIL. /s

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Just now, SamIam said:

Conwell hit 86 threes this year at 40% and has 2 years left. Need him. 

IU will screw it up. Rylan Conley would be a great fit though 

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12 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

This would work but there is just little room for error. 

What would work? Sorry, I'm not sure what you are referring to. I think those three guys will be priority targets but I don't expect the staff to actually succeed in landing priority targets. I'd LOVE Ryan Conwell. He is a plus defender, great scorer, good shooter, tough and has two years left. He'd be great. Small is a high-major proven scorer and the two of them could play together in the backcourt. I don't expect IU to land either one, especially not Small. 

Anyway, which thing were you saying has a small margin for error? Sorry, just not sure what you meant.

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1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

 

 

Is he going back to Ball State?

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Just now, Hoosier DaDa said:

Is he going back to Ball State?

Hopefully but who knows 

[theriverpilot 6,320]

5 minutes ago, Deserthoozier said:

Greg Byrne, AD…doesn’t F around! Knows how to manage winning, $$$ on all levels (institutional & NIL), alum/fan support, national image/media pr and 100% gets behind schools programs. Has 100% authority to perform his job - he earned it through experience and success. Does what it takes to set up winning and proactively gets ahead and manages issues - cut his chops via  promotions to bigger AD roles progressing to bigger schools/programs. Make’s IU’s operations across the board look like amateur hour. 

In no way would allow external influences to force the program’s hand to suffer through a Hail Mary by running it back w/Woody. We do this to ourselves - on going administrative malfeasance!!

 

What I'd like to see from our AD is what Mal Moore did at Alabama and how they pursued Saban.  Moore wasn't going to take "no" for answer and was hell bent on restoring Alabama football

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If Woodson does land a top tier PG, Cupps will probably be benched. Of course if Woodson strikes out, the Cupps is "the man". Let's see how this plays out.
It begs the question: is he a competitor who wants to play, or does he want to cash a check?

My money is on cupps. A doubt a top tier point guards wants to run this offense

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7 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

What would work? Sorry, I'm not sure what you are referring to. I think those three guys will be priority targets but I don't expect the staff to actually succeed in landing priority targets. I'd LOVE Ryan Conwell. He is a plus defender, great scorer, good shooter, tough and has two years left. He'd be great. Small is a high-major proven scorer and the two of them could play together in the backcourt. I don't expect IU to land either one, especially not Small. 

Anyway, which thing were you saying has a small margin for error? Sorry, just not sure what you meant.

I was saying if we were able to land all 3 of those guys that would work for next season but it's a small margin of error if we spend our time on these guys and not land them. Then were struggling again. 

But I see that you weren't saying we will land all 3

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1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

wow.  LOL.  Alabama is multitasking

Meh, so is Woodson. Napping with a lit stogie creating pinhole burns in his satin pj's

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10 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

Yeah, IU is probably the only school in P5 with $6M in NIL. /s

I think were still behind UK, UNC, Duke a few others

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16 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Dayton and a few other Ohio schools are not paying a backup PG what we are

Might as well cash in on one more season and then go off. I mean he played a ton of minutes. And unless we get guards - he might still get a ton of playing time. 

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13 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

If Woodson does land a top tier PG, Cupps will probably be benched. Of course if Woodson strikes out, the Cupps is "the man". Let's see how this plays out.

It begs the question: is he a competitor who wants to play, or does he want to cash a check?

I don't think Cupps came to start from day 1.  He will be a contributor next year and compete to start his junior and senior years. 

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7 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

IU has a lot working against them but they’ve got money. I was told that would be important so it should work out great 

I prefer to think with an optimistic lean, when possible. I know the reality of the situation and I know a positive season in 2024-2025 is possible but incredibly unlikely. If possible though, I try to be positive. So, on a positive slant, there are a lot of good and productive guards in the transfer portal. There will be more that enter the portal over the next couple of weeks. IU has a whole lot of money to offer but they also have very clearly-defined and available playing time to sell. The system is a major issue. Mike Woodson is a major issue. But IU is not without some positive things to go shopping with as well.

They can point to Trayce Jackson-Davis and Kel'El Ware as positives for the rim protecting big that they will pursue and that will be a plus for potential targets. Of course, quality players for that role are less plentiful. I think Mgbako coming back is really important. One, I think he could average 15-18 points per game next season and with good guard play, he could shoot 40%+ from 3. I liked his growth. Plus, players of his size and skillset would be rather scarce in the portal and IU has no proven track record to sell. That would be one additional hurdle. The NBA won't be particularly interested in anything he does right now so I think he'll be back, that's a plus. I'm pulling a muscle with my stretching for positives but there is still a pathway to finding a competent and enjoyable roster for next season.

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58 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

This might have been a decent get since we love big men. Shot 42% from three so he's a pass.

 

 

It's going to be interesting how they will spin it when IU can't buy more than middling talent. What aspiring NBA/G League/Euroleague shooter would want to come play for Inside Out Mikey. A few more 10s of thousands for poor guard coaching and exposure just ain't worth it.

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10 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

What I'd like to see from our AD is what Mal Moore did at Alabama and how they pursued Saban.  Moore wasn't going to take "no" for answer and was hell bent on restoring Alabama football

That’s a good story for those who haven’t read it. Basically the opposite of what Dolson did with Stevens. Lol

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I was saying if we were able to land all 3 of those guys that would work for next season but it's a small margin of error if we spend our time on these guys and not land them. Then were struggling again. 

But I see that you weren't saying we will land all 3

Gotcha...that makes sense. Yes, IU needs to be very careful to not go all out for a few "tier one" guys, strike out and then have put no work into "tier two" or "tier three" guys that may not be 15-20 points per game scorers but would be attainable and could still play a valuable role on the 2024-2025 roster. They need to have a very clear plan on building a cohesive team with guys that fit together and have well-defined roles. My hopes are not high that they are thinking that way. I imagine the reality being closer to just hitting refresh as guys hit the portal and then tossing darts at any remotely plausible targets and seeing what sticks and who might want the big check. There are lots of really capable guards already in and many more than I know will be entering. I'm confident the backcourt talent will be better than it was this past season. It just might not make a darn bit of difference in meaningful results next season.

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59 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

Yeah, the "not enough talent" thing sticks in my craw. He had THREE 5-stars and more "stars" than anyone in the B1G conference. Maybe if he tried a more current scheme he's have a chance. Or, just be stubborn and keep losing. 

I get the sentiment of having a lot of raw talent, but all three of our 5* were underclassmen and the two sophomores didn't play a whole hell of a lot the year prior. Someone like a 23-year-old Boo Buie is much better and much more valuable than any underclassmen 5*.

Reality is that the roster was so poorly constructed last year, and the back court was in fact, just not any good. IU is a tournament team this year with a competent lead guard and they're a top 25 team with two. Getting two good guards in the portal changes everything for next with the pieces that are expected back. Obviously easier said than done, but it's doable.

I want Woody gone as much as the next guy, but not going to let it cloud my judgement strictly in terms of next season. I hate the trajectory of the program but am never going to root for the demise of the team. 

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50 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

No cupps? How are we supposed to land any guards now they will be to scared of the ones returning.

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Inside Out Mikey is way more scary to any guard transfer. He is 2 guard kyrptonite

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2 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

Gotcha...that makes sense. Yes, IU needs to be very careful to not go all out for a few "tier one" guys, strike out and then have put no work into "tier two" or "tier three" guys that may not be 15-20 points per game scorers but would be attainable and could still play a valuable role on the 2024-2025 roster. They need to have a very clear plan on building a cohesive team with guys that fit together and have well-defined roles. My hopes are not high that they are thinking that way. I imagine the reality being closer to just hitting refresh as guys hit the portal and then tossing darts at any remotely plausible targets and seeing what sticks and who might want the big check. There are lots of really capable guards already in and many more than I know will be entering. I'm confident the backcourt talent will be better than it was this past season. It just might not make a darn bit of difference in meaningful results next season.

Has that ever been Mediocre Mike’s strategy?  He’s all or nothing on the top tier  players because he doesn’t want anything to do with the lower tiered players and that is where he will fail

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5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I get the sentiment of having a lot of raw talent, but all three of our 5* were underclassmen and the two sophomores didn't play a whole hell of a lot last the year prior. Someone like a 23-year-old Boo Buie is much better and much more valuable than any underclassmen 5*.

Reality is that the roster was so poorly constructed last year, and the back court was in fact, just not any good. IU is a tournament team this year with a competent lead guard and they're a top 25 team with two. Getting two good guards in the portal changes everything for next with the pieces that are expected back. Obviously easier said than done, but it's doable.

I want Woody gone as much as the next guy, but not going to let it cloud my judgement strictly in terms of next season. I hate the trajectory of the program but am never going to root for the demise of the program or team. 

Ware isn't coming back.  Good luck finding a replacement in the portal.  We wouldn't have won 12 games without him.