They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Trish 12,363]

1 hour ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Somehow, I am not surprised with that opinion from certain posters.

I cannot fathom any fan thinking like that.

But, hey...I support your being able to do it.  

Understandable, it doesn’t make sense. 
 

But neither did hiring Mike Woodson to take over this program. Everyone can hope and pray Woodson turns it around but he has shown zero capabilities of doing that. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,915]

1 hour ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Somehow, I am not surprised with that opinion from certain posters.

I cannot fathom any fan thinking like that.

But, hey...I support your being able to do it.  

It worked for getting rid of Archie and Allen.

[JSHoosier 21,175]

9 minutes ago, Trish said:

Understandable, it doesn’t make sense. 
 

But neither did hiring Mike Woodson to take over this program. Everyone can hope and pray Woodson turns it around but he has shown zero capabilities of doing that. 

Hiring a guy that hadn't been a head coach in almost a decade doesn't tell you we're super cereal? Makes perfect sense to me.

It's genius in a way. How do you make sure no gets the coach before you want? Look at a coach that no one else would have any interest in.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,915]

1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

One thing I'll say for Crean is he did seem to get a bad draw in each of the 3 S16 years.  I thought in Zellers first season we'd make the FF if we weren't in Kentucky's bracket.  Syracuse was a terrible matchup for Crean.  In Yogi's final year I thought we had a great chance at a FF again assuming we didn't play UNC or Villanova on the way.

We got screwed in 13'. Plain and simple. Conferences tournaments had an insane amount of weight that season.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,333]

man, this is off the rails and its Feb 6th.  People in my estimation are more upset than even during the Archie Years.  Sure doesn't help that Purdue is on top of the world as IU is trying to get there.  But either way, it's contend for B1G and contend for national titles, which is true.  I really don't believe Woodson can get us there and I also don't think he's a bad coach.  I think in certain ways the game has moved past him.  I think he probably wants to prioritize shooting now, but to me it's too late.  It's clearly not his preferred methods as he has had chances to build a team to look like that.  In ways, He's learning on the job.  But as I've said before, a borderline blue blood isn't the ideal place to do that.  

[Trish 12,363]

9 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Hiring a guy that hadn't been a head coach in almost a decade doesn't tell you we're super cereal? Makes perfect sense to me.

It's genius in a way. How do you make sure no gets the coach before you want? Look at a coach that no one else would have any interest in.

Don’t forget to bring in Fife and Matta to help him accommodate to the college level. Don’t worry though, Woodson knows basketball so he doesn’t need help outside of Hill and Wittman! 

[JSHoosier 21,175]

5 minutes ago, Trish said:

Don’t forget to bring in Fife and Matta to help him accommodate to the college level. Don’t worry though, Woodson knows basketball so he doesn’t need help outside of Hill and Wittman! 

I'm sure Hill will have great advice, as soon as he wakes up and remembers where he is.

[Hoosierfan2017 22,618]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

And critically Hulls was playing injured, as in badly, in that game against Cuse. He couldn't shoot his 3's, we couldn't pull / break the zone by mixing outside shots and hitting Cody in the middle. That's the kind of thing that just gets overlooked, but it was key to our inability to break that zone (yes, Crean struggled against it, but the players could have broken it with a healthy Hulls).

IMO Crean was and remains undervalued. Yes, he was bizarre on the sideline, a punchline waiting to happen, and his in-game acumen was often questionable -- and he clearly couldn't succeed elsewhere w/o the level of players he brought to IU -- but

- he won us B1G championships and in strong B1G years 

- he brought us multiple players that we all loved and who will go down in IU history as some of the best we've had, Yogi, Vic, Cody, Hulls, Wat, OG, Bryant etc. What we wouldn't give to have a Yogi-Hulls-Wat-Vic team now.

- he brought us multiple SW16's. Didn't get beyond that, at least in part due to circumstances that just happen, but we beat UK on one of those runs.

- Our offense, sometimes wacky with the dribble-hand-off action, repeatedly scored at the top of DI, the D was often a mess, but man how I miss seeing our guys score the damn ball like that.

- Got us that unforgettable W over UK, the Wat shot, leaving chicken Cal refusing to play at IU thereafter....

So sure he couldn't maintain and lost the level of recruiting he needed to succeed at IU, lost the HS coaches, gave schollys to guys who had no business playing for IU or any school at that level, and the U wanted to  actually get "back" to competing at the top of DI, for NCAA championships, and Crean had fallen off, most agree it was time to move on.

But man, talk about screwing the pooch -- we then replace him Miller???? That was a horrible, horrible and stupid move.

I would love to see the level of guys and conference success with NCAA runs we had under Crean. We had teams who were championship level, imo, finding that guy who can bring those kind of players and run deep regularly, difficult.

Hindsight and all that, but I may have kept Crean knowing what I know now. His six year stretch was pretty good. He just unfortunately was running on fumes with recruiting relationships and all that. 2 conference titles, 3 sweet 16s and 4 tournament appearances in 6 years was the best that I’ve seen from IU during my fandom. 

[Trish 12,363]

5 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I'm sure Hill will have great advice, as soon as he wakes up and remembers where he is.

I wonder if Woodson and Hill take naps at the same time before they head over to Cloverleaf for the early bird special. 

[TheWatShot 14,598]

20 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

We got screwed in 13'. Plain and simple. Conferences tournaments had an insane amount of weight that season.

We got screwed even worse in '16. A P-5 conference champion shouldn't have to play another P-5 conference champion in the freaking second round. That team was a victim of the "total body of work" approach that dinged us big time for our poor showing in Maui. 

[IndyResident16 567]

1 minute ago, TheWatShot said:

We got screwed even worse in '16. A P-5 conference champion shouldn't have to play another P-5 conference champion in the freaking second round. That team was a victim of the "total body of work" approach that dinged us big time for our poor showing in Maui. 

Got smoked by Duke to in the ACC/B10. Was in Cameron for that one. 

[HoosierFan1994 4,835]

19 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

man, this is off the rails and its Feb 6th.  People in my estimation are more upset than even during the Archie Years.  Sure doesn't help that Purdue is on top of the world as IU is trying to get there.  But either way, it's contend for B1G and contend for national titles, which is true.  I really don't believe Woodson can get us there and I also don't think he's a bad coach.  I think in certain ways the game has moved past him.  I think he probably wants to prioritize shooting now, but to me it's too late.  It's clearly not his preferred methods as he has had chances to build a team to look like that.  In ways, He's learning on the job.  But as I've said before, a borderline blue blood isn't the ideal place to do that.  

Where I'm at. 4 months ago I was pleased with coach. After this season and missing on a lot of '24 guys, I'm skeptical. I do think if things really get bad (this team goes 3-7 or worse the rest of the way) it'll get interesting. No matter what, what is currently happening with the program is unacceptable. I hate it. Last season was pretty exciting. It was awesome to wake up on a college Hoops Saturday and have IU play in big games (Purdue games, Illinois home game). I know they didn't make the second weekend or win a Big Ten Title, but it was nice to finally feel they were headed in a positive direction. Now? They aren't even appointment TV for me. I was watching Saturday on delay. About halfway through my friends were strongly suggesting I turn it off. Just sad. 

[HoosierFan1994 4,835]

5 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Hindsight and all that, but I may have kept Crean knowing what I know now. His six year stretch was pretty good. He just unfortunately was running on fumes with recruiting relationships and all that. 2 conference titles, 3 sweet 16s and 4 tournament appearances in 6 years was the best that I’ve seen from IU during my fandom. 

How I feel looking back too. Yeah, I think his peak at IU was 2012-2016. But who really knows. Certainly would rather have him than Archie. My issue was the inconsistency. We were supposedly back in 2012/2013. Then took a huge step back in 2014. Meh in 2015, good in 2016, and step back in 2017. 

[JSHoosier 21,175]

3 minutes ago, Trish said:

I wonder if Woodson and Hill take naps at the same time before they head over to Cloverleaf for the early bird special. 

Hill naps during the game. Although if PSU is any indication so does Woodson.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,915]

5 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

We got screwed even worse in '16. A P-5 conference champion shouldn't have to play another P-5 conference champion in the freaking second round. That team was a victim of the "total body of work" approach that dinged us big time for our poor showing in Maui. 

Kentucky got screwed that year too. All just to get Indiana-Kentucky in the tourney. We likely should have been like a 3-4 seed. Yogi should have won B1G POY. Instead Michigan State got a 2 seed, Valentine won POY and they got their a$$es handed to them by Middle Tennessee(who also be Minnesota the year after).

[Hoosierfan2017 22,618]

15 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I'm sure Hill will have great advice, as soon as he wakes up and remembers where he is.

He should have some great experiences to draw from his very successful tenure at Columbia, especially his record-breaking 2002-2003 season. 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,618]

31 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

man, this is off the rails and its Feb 6th.  People in my estimation are more upset than even during the Archie Years.  Sure doesn't help that Purdue is on top of the world as IU is trying to get there.  But either way, it's contend for B1G and contend for national titles, which is true.  I really don't believe Woodson can get us there and I also don't think he's a bad coach.  I think in certain ways the game has moved past him.  I think he probably wants to prioritize shooting now, but to me it's too late.  It's clearly not his preferred methods as he has had chances to build a team to look like that.  In ways, He's learning on the job.  But as I've said before, a borderline blue blood isn't the ideal place to do that.  

The anger isn’t entirely Woodson’s fault. Fans just sat through 4 terrible years with Archie, so the appetite for rebuilding was already pretty low. But there’s no reason to take such a step backward in year 3. Only having 1 commit in the ‘24 class doesn’t help either, especially with how he failed to close on many of the big fish he went after. Add in the stories of his laziness and you’ve got an unhappy IU crowd. Trying hard and failing is one thing. I don’t doubt that Archie was a hard worker. He just sucked. But it sounds like Woodson is on a retirement tour. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,846]

8 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

How I feel looking back too. Yeah, I think his peak at IU was 2012-2016. But who really knows. Certainly would rather have him than Archie. My issue was the inconsistency. We were supposedly back in 2012/2013. Then took a huge step back in 2014. Meh in 2015, good in 2016, and step back in 2017. 

Inconsistency and burning every recruiting bridge he had was what did him in.  Trust me, we were only going down with Crean.  The HS coaches in the state despised him.

[JSHoosier 21,175]

6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He should have some great experiences to draw from his very successful tenure at Columbia, especially his record-breaking 2002-2003 season. 

Hey, 2-25 (0-14) is special.

[Scotty R 2,715]

The thing is if this was Woodson's first year results and he steadily improved the next two years things would be different.