Soon to RETIRE Coach Woodson Thread

[AH1971 1,907]

1 minute ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Yeah I'm not really sure WW belongs on the list

He will be soon enough. He's going to kill it in his home state of Tennessee once Barnes retires here in a year or two.

[OKHOOSIER 3,727]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Just telling you. Due to the administration's moral superiority, we're going to end up with someone like Ben McCollum or Jerrod Calhoun instead of someone like Chris Beard or Will Wade who you wouldn't have to worry about for the next 15-20 years.

These guys are going to be walking into an absolute powder keg. No P5 experience, never coached having to meet absurd expectations, zero experience recruiting high level players, zero experience managing high level players with egos, etc etc

What do you think is going to happen? I don't understand why people are shocked that we do this every 4-5 years....Oh yeah I do, it's because everybody thinks Brad Stevens or Bruce Pearl is taking this job.

Rinse.Wash.Repeat.

I don’t think that’s being entirely fair to the Archie hire. That was pretty universally thought to be a home run. His Alma mater was also open or going to open (I don’t remember exactly) but they were big mad we got him. It didn’t work, it happens, but acting like that was taking a flyer on some D2 coach at his first low major job is revisionist history. 

[IU Prof 1,114]

8 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Because Beard is a better coach than Wade, has a championship game appearance as well as an elite eight.

Wade has a Sweet 16, so it's not like he's never had any March success. And he comes with considerably less baggage.

I get why some would view Beard as a better coach, but if he's a non-starter, then I don't get why there's not more enthusiasm for Wade in the non-Stevens category. He strikes me as a better bet than McCollum, for instance.

[AH1971 1,907]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Who said that I’m shocked? I was against the Mike Woodson trade from day 0. I fully expected to be right back here in four years. And here we are. I expect that we’ll be here again four years from now because IU will make another crappy hire. I’d be fine hiring either Bears or Wade, and I expect whoever we do hire to be worse than either of the two. 

Fair enough

[AH1971 1,907]

3 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I don’t think that’s being entirely fair to the Archie hire. That was pretty universally thought to be a home run. His Alma mater was also open or going to open (I don’t remember exactly) but they were big mad we got him. It didn’t work, it happens, but acting like that was taking a flyer on some D2 coach at his first low major job is revisionist history. 

Didn't mind the Archie hire, had the credentials to get the job here. But when the fan base turned on him after losing 12/13 in year 2, I knew it was over for him. Just not many coaches who have the skin to survive something like that...that's why X's and O's is only a fraction of the body of work needed to succeed here. Just not likely to find that kind of acumen when you hire somebody without big boy head coaching experience. 

[RaceToTheTop 27,144]

2 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Wade has a Sweet 16, so it's not like he's never had any March success. And he comes with considerably l less baggage.

I get why some would view Beard as a better coach, but if he's a non-starter, then I don't get why there's not more enthusiasm for Wade in the non-Stevens category. He strikes me as a better bet than McCollum, for instance.

Wade is 4-6 in the tournament, Beard is 11-5.  I wouldn't call 4-6 tournament success.

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57 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

I'm not particularly high on McCullom at present, but I do think the tempo criticism may be a bit unfair. He's playing a roster filled with DII transfers. He has to shorten the game to adjust for the talent disparity. You would need to ask him how he expects to adjust his system moving forward to decide how viable he would be at a place like IU.

No, that is his philosophy and has been for years. It didn't change when he went to Drake. There are plenty of podcasts out there where he discusses this. He's concluded that good teams won't let you score in transition and tournament games always end up being played in the half court. He believes it's a waste of practice time to push tempo. He wants to be able to play efficiently in the half court, which also helps with defense. Just his philosophy. Don't see him changing if you goes up another level. 

[Stuhoo 83,286]

42 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

Speaking of dress, I do not recall an update on Woodys tie selection last night?   

 

41 minutes ago, ClarkCoHoosier said:

It was red.

 

Woody wore a red dress last night? Must've been after the game was over.

 

[OKHOOSIER 3,727]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Didn't mind the Archie hire, had the credentials to get the job here. But when the fan base turned on him after losing 12/13 in year 2, I knew it was over for him. Just not many coaches who have the skin to survive something like that...that's why X's and O's is only a fraction of the body of work needed to succeed here. Just not likely to find that kind of acumen when you hire somebody without big boy head coaching experience. 

That’s fair, but I would argue had he turned it around, made the tournament in year 3 instead having almost an identical season, the pitchforks would have been put away. I’d also argue there is basically zero scenario where IU should lose 12/13 games in basketball. Ever. Archie is responsible for making that bed, not the fanbase. 

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1 minute ago, Motley's said:

No, that is his philosophy and has been for years. It didn't change when he went to Drake. There are plenty of podcasts out there where he discusses this. He's concluded that good teams won't let you score in transition and tournament games always end up being played in the half court. He believes it's a waste of practice time to push tempo. He wants to be able to play efficiently in the half court, which also helps with defense. Just his philosophy. Don't see him changing if you goes up another level. 

Well Tom Izzo and Coach K would disagree, they pushed fast break opportunities as a large part of their offense. They also had great half court offense, but getting fast break opportunities was paramount to both coaches. They've had some tourney success. All of those guys know a lot more basketball than me though.

[AZ Hoosier 8,420]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

 

 

Woody wore a red dress last night? Must've been after the game was over.

 

It was a fabulous night at The Fella's Lounge.

[Stuhoo 83,286]

1 minute ago, Motley's said:

No, that is his philosophy and has been for years. It didn't change when he went to Drake. There are plenty of podcasts out there where he discusses this. He's concluded that good teams won't let you score in transition and tournament games always end up being played in the half court. He believes it's a waste of practice time to push tempo. He wants to be able to play efficiently in the half court, which also helps with defense. Just his philosophy. Don't see him changing if you goes up another level. 

That's not encouraging.

A much better philosophy would be "I recruit to my system, but adapt when I see players developing skills"

Also would be cool with, "I always look for a quick strike, but emphasize half court because tourney games end up being played in the half court."

[JSHoosier 20,904]

20 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

No spicy rumors yet :/

Mgbako had some bad Taco Bell, not going to be a fun night.

[IvanRenkosillegitimatechild 19]

26 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

You described it perfectly. Dude is the real deal and has been around forever, but what he does to help IU I'm not sure. He's just the head coaches buddy I think

Don’t you know they napped together in Kindergarten and now they nap together on the sidelines only difference is Woody sleeps with his eyes and mouth opened.

[Stuhoo 83,286]

6 minutes ago, IvanRenkosillegitimatechild said:

Don’t you know they napped together in Kindergarten and now they nap together on the sidelines only difference is Woody sleeps with his eyes and mouth opened.

Welcome to the board, ya Renko bastahd!

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,351]

2 hours ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

If Stevens ends up at IU I cannot wait to quote so many of these downers. It’s okay to be excited about a possibility. 

If/when he doesn't can they also do the same thing to posters who keep falling for the BS is coming talk?

[tyappleg 3,794]

2 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

If/when he doesn't can they also do the same thing to posters who keep falling for the BS is coming talk?

No

[Herotime 854]

Here’s how I see things—
Brad - 60%; Pearl - 30%; May - 9%; Beard - 1%
 

[Golfman25 5,982]

44 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Yeah? And the pitchforks were out before his 2nd season ended. Once you lose this fanbase, you’re effectively done.

So don't lose the fanbase.  You can keep the fanbase while you rebuild and install whatever it is you want.  

[HinnyHoosier 5,169]

2 hours ago, piratehoosier said:

There's a better chance that Woodson returns next season that Stevens prowling the sidelines. IU has proven over and over that they can't manage the hiring of a successful basketball coach. I have no confidence that they'll magically get it right this time.

I came here from 9 pages back just to tell you that you sir, are a thief of joy. 

'Joy Pirate' - Please adjust your handle appropriately.