Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Scotty R 2,501]

36 minutes ago, VFury said:

Look, I'm sure to some people here 1987 wasn't that long ago. But for people like me, who have never seen much success for such a historic program, a guy like Wade would win at a rate not seen in a long time. Fact is that we are no different than where Houston was before they took a chance on a 2 time cheater like Sampson.

I am one of the old timers who have seen 3 national championships and saw what made IU elite. It wasn't about out talenting teams but we were built on a foundation of toughness, hard work and playing the game the right way. We have went away from that foundation and culture that made IU who we were and it hasn't worked. It is time to get back to that foundation and culture of players who play hard and play with toughness. I am.tired of the portal and NIL and building our roster that way instead of building a roster through evaluation and developing. I guess maybe I am spoiled as an IU fan but any mention of coaches like Beard or Wade just infuriates me because they don't meet that foundation or culture that made IU great.

For you young guys if you want to see what IU culture was all about just watch Purdue tonight because that was how IU used to be built. I would assume for most of us older fans that is what upsets us as much as anything is seeing your biggest rival be what you use to be.

[Kentuckysucks 2,678]

19 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

That’s the problem. We determine a coach isn’t good because he doesn’t win overnight and then it’s over from there. Who thought after 3 seasons Crean was going to win two B10 titles and go to three S16’s in a 5 year period? If Crean was hired under normal circumstances he would have been long gone before then.

And he fell off the Earth at Georgia despite having arguably the best player in the nation for one season.  He now can’t get hired anywhere. Archie has been pretty mediocre at best at RI.  Again, we hire bad coaches and then keep them for far too long.

[Shooter 498]

26 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Curious to hear who you think IU goes after once Stevens and May say no? 

I'm not going to read the whole thread, but the frustrating thing is that Dusty May would not have said no 10 months ago, when I and many others wanted to get him. 

It was obvious where the Woodson era was heading. But we chose to draw it out to protect the vanity of a few old men in positions of power.

[Scotty R 2,501]

43 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

And you’d be firing off emails before he landed his first recruit.

Better than you coming here to troll and start arguments 

[Home Jersey 9,907]

1 minute ago, Shooter said:

I'm not going to read the whole thread, but the frustrating thing is that Dusty May would not have said no 10 months ago, when I and many others wanted to get him. 

It was obvious where the Woodson era was heading. But we chose to draw it out to protect the vanity of a few old men in positions of power.

100% spot on. That's why the frustration has boiled over for basically everyone this year. Toxic is right. 

[AZ Hoosier 8,292]

1 minute ago, Shooter said:

I'm not going to read the whole thread, but the frustrating thing is that Dusty May would not have said no 10 months ago, when I and many others wanted to get him. 

It was obvious where the Woodson era was heading. But we chose to draw it out to protect the vanity of a few old men in positions of power.

We didn't do anything. Quinn Buckner did. But at this point, it's water wine under the bridge.

[AH1971 1,892]

5 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Gotcha. That's a more lucid POV... 

Crean's tenure is an interesting one to look at... 9 seasons, longest tenure post-Knight. 

Some people think he should've been gone sooner, others later. 

Do think there's some merit to the idea he could've gotten one more season to turn it around coming off 2 B10 titles in a 5 year period. 

But he had no momentum... it made more sense to cut ties... he clearly wasn't the guy. 

Do you think we'd be better off if we had kept Crean and just erased the Archie era from the history books? Assume not... 

Or do you think Archie should've had more time and if so, how much more?  

Absolutely. IU lost its best player to injury mid-season and the wheels came completely off. Did not do a good job of replacing Yogi, Newkirk was a disaster.

As far as Archie goes, it didn’t matter. Lost the fan base after losing 12/13 games in year 2. He didn’t have a prayer after that. Was only a matter of time. 

[Shooter 498]

5 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I am one of the old timers who have seen 3 national championships and saw what made IU elite. It wasn't about out talenting teams but we were built on a foundation of toughness, hard work and playing the game the right way. We have went away from that foundation and culture that made IU who we were and it hasn't worked. It is time to get back to that foundation and culture of players who play hard and play with toughness. I am.tired of the portal and NIL and building our roster that way instead of building a roster through evaluation and developing. I guess maybe I am spoiled as an IU fan but any mention of coaches like Beard or Wade just infuriates me because they don't meet that foundation or culture that made IU great.

For you young guys if you want to see what IU culture was all about just watch Purdue tonight because that was how IU used to be built. I would assume for most of us older fans that is what upsets us as much as anything is seeing your biggest rival be what you use to be.

Matt Painter's absolute best quality is that he knows exactly what he is looking for in a player. He does not care at all about recruiting rankings. When he finds what he is looking for, he signs the kid up and develops him. I would so love for IU to be that kind of program again.

(I just threw up in my mouth a bit typing that)

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,526]

56 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

You don’t have a clue as to what you’re talking about. Wade won the SEC in his 2nd year. He was fired prior to the NCAAT in his 5th season.

That wouldn’t happen to be the same year that he was being suspended for making “strong-@ss offers” would it?

[AH1971 1,892]

3 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

And he fell off the Earth at Georgia despite having arguably the best player in the nation for one season.  He now can’t get hired anywhere. Archie has been pretty mediocre at best at RI.  Again, we hire bad coaches and then keep them for far too long.

I don’t particularly care what he did at Georgia. We decided we were too good for S16’s and regular season B10 titles and haven’t sniffed either since.

[AZ Hoosier 8,292]

1 minute ago, Shooter said:

Matt Painter's absolute best quality is that he knows exactly what he is looking for in a player. He does not care at all about recruiting rankings. When he finds what he is looking for, he signs the kid up and develops him. I would so love for IU to be that kind of program again.

(I just threw up in my mouth a bit typing that)

What is this "develops" that you speak of? Clearly we haven't seen much of that in the past 8-10 years.

[IUFAN1976 3,996]

2 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I am one of the old timers who have seen 3 national championships and saw what made IU elite. It wasn't about out talenting teams but we were built on a foundation of toughness, hard work and playing the game the right way. We have went away from that foundation and culture that made IU who we were and it hasn't worked. It is time to get back to that foundation and culture of players who play hard and play with toughness. I am.tired of the portal and NIL and building our roster that way instead of building a roster through evaluation and developing. I guess maybe I am spoiled as an IU fan but any mention of coaches like Beard or Wade just infuriates me because they don't meet that foundation or culture that made IU great.

For you young guys if you want to see what IU culture was all about just watch Purdue tonight because that was how IU used to be built. I would assume for most of us older fans that is what upsets us as much as anything is seeing your biggest rival be what you use to be.

You and I are one of the few that have had the opportunity and satisfaction to witness 3 National Championships, probably only Old Fart has witnessed more, lol!   I agree with this, I try not to watch Turdue, but they play the way I would love to see IU teams play, with a freaking identity of physical and mental toughness, working hard and with great basketball IQ and fundamentals.  And we ain’t talking about an ex-IU guy but a coach that conveys that what our culture and identity is!

[AH1971 1,892]

2 minutes ago, Shooter said:

Matt Painter's absolute best quality is that he knows exactly what he is looking for in a player. He does not care at all about recruiting rankings. When he finds what he is looking for, he signs the kid up and develops him. I would so love for IU to be that kind of program again.

(I just threw up in my mouth a bit typing that)

Matt Painter had his worst 4 year stretch chasing “stars”. Missed two straight tournaments and lost in the first round in excruciating fashion the next two years. And instead of kicking him to the curb, he got support and was given time to change his approach and the rest is history.

[Shooter 498]

3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

100% spot on. That's why the frustration has boiled over for basically everyone this year. Toxic is right. 

I am a season ticket holder, and I think about this almost every time I drive down for a game. So glad I spent a few thousand bucks and who knows how many hours to support this team. It would feel so different if we had made a move in the offseason.

[Chris007 48,339]

1 hour ago, Eagle’s Rug said:

What the heck did I just watch? I love it. 

[Shooter 498]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Matt Painter had his worst 4 year stretch chasing “stars”. Missed two straight tournaments and lost in the first round in excruciating fashion the next two years. And instead of kicking him to the curb, he got support and was given time to change his approach and the rest is history.

What is your point? Mike Woodson needs support and a few more years to change his approach? Maybe he'll have it figured out by the time he's 70.

[Home Jersey 9,907]

Just now, AH1971 said:

I don’t particularly care what he did at Georgia. We decided we were too good for S16’s and regular season B10 titles and haven’t sniffed either since.

I think on the surface it's fair to view it that way, but don't see how you can ignore his performance at Georgia. If we need to give coaches time to build, fail, learn, and then grow as you put it... it seems Crean did not learn and then subsequently grow. 

And what do you make of the talk about HS coaches in Indiana supposedly no longer supporting him? 

[IUFAN1976 3,996]

3 minutes ago, Shooter said:

Matt Painter's absolute best quality is that he knows exactly what he is looking for in a player. He does not care at all about recruiting rankings. When he finds what he is looking for, he signs the kid up and develops him. I would so love for IU to be that kind of program again.

(I just threw up in my mouth a bit typing that)

Exactly, instead of a freaking coach who just wants to recruit the highest ranked players by throwing money at them like Woodson has, recruit players to your system, culture and identity you want to play, even role players because every good teams have role players and they accept their roles

[AH1971 1,892]

4 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

That wouldn’t happen to be the same year that he was being suspended for making “strong-@ss offers” would it?

The sting happened the year prior. The news broke just before that season happened. 

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,526]

5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Absolutely. IU lost its best player to injury mid-season and the wheels came completely off. Did not do a good job of replacing Yogi, Newkirk was a disaster.

As far as Archie goes, it didn’t matter. Lost the fan base after losing 12/13 games in year 2. He didn’t have a prayer after that. Was only a matter of time. 

It is amazing how much power our fan base has over a coach’s ability to win. Prayers couldn’t even save Archie from the the demonic fans.