Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Golfman25 5,909]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

They wouldn’t need to run the table.  Committee don’t care where the Q1 wins from.  While it would have been nice to win a quality non conference win(providence is a Q2 as of now)  it isn’t necessary when you play in a conference with as many of Q1 opportunities as the B1G gives teams this year.   Hypothetically if IU went 10-10 with Q3 wins over Minny, Rutgers and USC but the other 7 wins in the 2nd toughest conference were Q1 wins there would be 0 chance the committee would leave them out of the tourney.   They would have 0 bad losses and 7 Q1 wins and finished .500 in the second best conference with a top 100 overall SOS and a no con sos in the 150s.  Now we all can see the team on the floor and like you said finding 10 more wins doesn’t seem likely however that doesn’t mean there isn’t a path.   Whoever thinks they would need 12 or 13 wins in the B1G to even be considered are wrong in my opinion.  If they won 12 or 13 games they would be comfortably in.  

You’re talking brackets and Q1.  I am just talking likelihood of wins.   Suffice it to say they have to win a lot.   Like I said, show me 10 wins.  They have 2, with 8 home games left.  They win them all they are there, BUT that means beating IL, Purdue and UCLA.  Say they win 1 of the three, then they have to find 2 away games to win.  Maybe Wahington?  NW? OSU?  There just aren't any cupcakes left on the schedule.  

[Golfman25 5,909]

1 hour ago, TheWatShot said:

UK obviously didn't get that memo last spring. Then again, they don't run their program like a bunch of teenage girls afraid to wear a new dress to the dance. 

 

I have no idea how long they planned on him being here. I think they hoped for at least 4 years, which is why they went with 6 for the contract. I think Buckner wanted an extension after Year 2, but Dolson hadn't seen enough, and that's why he got a raise instead. Regardless, letting a coach go into his last 2 seasons with no clear future kills recruiting. They aren't going to bring him back on just 2 years. 

What recruiting? :)

[WeeDerkaNaut 456]

My question is will the blowout loss to Louisville hurt us if we're toeing the bid line? And if so, how bad?

[Stuhoo 82,759]

5 hours ago, Scotty R said:

I will take the word of a guy who does bracketology nationally who said we need to win at least 12 to be considered. Tonsoni actually won 1st place one year in the bracket matrix or whatever they call it.

If you listen to the Tonsoni podcast he very much tries to punt on the topic BECAUSE he says Andy Bottoms on the podcast with him knows this stuff and he doesn’t.

I like Tonsoni’s game and scheme analysis and he knows IU well, but the guy consistently shows that he doesn’t follow college basketball much beyond Monroe County. He never, never has knowledge about the national scene.

He submits a bracket as part of a named group? That’s fine but he would agree that he’s not an expert. That’s not a knock on him; he’s good at what he’s good at but this isn’t it.

[Uspshoosier 47,278]

5 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

He submits a bracket as part of a named group? 

His bracket is the Delphi one he does with the high school kids.    I’ve talked with him before on bracketology in the past through PM on twitter.  He does follow college basketball closely and is knowledgeable with the bracketology part of things.   He is a good follow for bracketology as well.  He is right Bottoms is really locked in.  My guess his is stuff got lost in translation or he just doesn’t see 10 wins so he doesn’t even want to do hypotheticals and they only have 2 wins right now so no need to project until they get closer to 10. 

[IUFAN1976 3,966]

9 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

What? What?!! You trust a man who doesn’t like percolated coffee??!! 

Oh well, we all have our issues!  I don’t even like coffee!

[IUFAN1976 3,966]

34 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

His bracket is the Delphi one he does with the high school kids.    I’ve talked with him before on bracketology in the past through PM on twitter.  He does follow college basketball closely and is knowledgeable with the bracketology part of things.   He is a good follow for bracketology as well.  He is right Bottoms is really locked in.  My guess his is stuff got lost in translation or he just doesn’t see 10 wins so he doesn’t even want to do hypotheticals and they only have 2 wins right now so no need to project until they get closer to 10. 

He’s the guy that was on Podcast on the Brink on Inside the hall.  He said we would need 12 wins to get on the right side of bubble but would be barely.  I think 10 wins gets us at the bubble.  Personally, 10-10 in the conference won’t get us in

[Class of '66 Old Fart 86,364]

9 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’m not going to argue what it will take as you are pretty dialed in there.

What I will say is that it will be VERY difficult for IU to move on from Woodson if he makes the tourney. I was told that I was wrong/what I was told was wrong by others but I will only believe it when I see it. Firing a coach that made the tourney is rare. 
 

I think we make it in with 20-13 and we retain him

Nope, nada, nyet, non, nein.  Won't be difficult at all because he'll retire bragging how he returned us to prominence.

[Tasmanian Devil 1,719]

22 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

He’s the guy that was on Podcast on the Brink on Inside the hall.  He said we would need 12 wins to get on the right side of bubble but would be barely.  I think 10 wins gets us at the bubble.  Personally, 10-10 in the conference won’t get us in

Quite honestly, WHERE are any wins coming from here on out?

if you look at ESPNs game capsules of our schedule, they have us favored over USC, Penn St at home and Washington. And the only prediction that is solid for us is the Trojans. There are a few games we’re not favored in that the predictions are not overwhelmingly against us, but outside of 4 games remaining our opponents are listed with essentially a 60% chance of winning.

Who do we beat? We can talk 10-10, 9-11 . . . all you want, but those numbers aren’t worth anything without a win. Who do we REALISTICALLY beat to get there?

[Class of '66 Old Fart 86,364]

9 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

So they signed him a 6 year contract with no intent on him being here more than 4?

Length of contracts have more to do with recruiting and giving the prospects assurance (rightly or wrongly) that their coach will be there for their career.

[AZ Hoosier 8,237]

11 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Nope, nada, nyet, non, nein.  Won't be difficult at all because he'll retire bragging how he returned us to prominence.

Thrilled that he will be gone... but clearly he's nothing more than a legend in his own mind.

[Uspshoosier 47,278]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I think 10 wins gets us at the bubble.  

They are already on the bubble.   Probably 8-10 out as of today and don’t have any Q1 wins.  By default if they got to 10 wins they are going to have multiple Q1 wins.  I would feel very confident as a bracketologist that if they get to 10 wins they will be are the right side.    Hypotheticals are nice however not enough information is available making absolutes on if a team gets to a certain number of wins they are in or out.   Would have to wait and see what the end of the bubble looks like. 

[Golfman25 5,909]

30 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Quite honestly, WHERE are any wins coming from here on out?

if you look at ESPNs game capsules of our schedule, they have us favored over USC, Penn St at home and Washington. And the only prediction that is solid for us is the Trojans. There are a few games we’re not favored in that the predictions are not overwhelmingly against us, but outside of 4 games remaining our opponents are listed with essentially a 60% chance of winning.

Who do we beat? We can talk 10-10, 9-11 . . . all you want, but those numbers aren’t worth anything without a win. Who do we REALISTICALLY beat to get there?

In my mind the next two weeks is it for the season.  If we can steal away wins against Penn state and iowa, and beat USC, that leaves a battle with IL at home.  If we take that one, we are in the driver’s seat and have momentum.  If we lose to Penn state and iowa, we see IL at 3-3.  It only gets more difficult from there.  Woody’s got one big a$$ hump in front of him.  

[Golfman25 5,909]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

They are already on the bubble.   Probably 8-10 out as of today and don’t have any Q1 wins.  By default if they got to 10 wins they are going to have multiple Q1 wins.  I would feel very confident as a bracketologist that if they get to 10 wins they will be are the right side.    Hypotheticals are nice however not enough information is available making absolutes on if a team gets to a certain number of wins they are in or out.   Would have to wait and see what the end of the bubble looks like. 

The fact that we are talking about bubbles in Jan tells us everything we need to know.  Fire Mike Woodson. 

[Uspshoosier 47,278]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

The fact that we are talking about bubbles in Jan tells us everything we need to know.  Fire Mike Woodson. 

Absolutely.  Especially with the team that was projected preseason #2 in the conference. 

[IUFAN1976 3,966]

42 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Quite honestly, WHERE are any wins coming from here on out?

if you look at ESPNs game capsules of our schedule, they have us favored over USC, Penn St at home and Washington. And the only prediction that is solid for us is the Trojans. There are a few games we’re not favored in that the predictions are not overwhelmingly against us, but outside of 4 games remaining our opponents are listed with essentially a 60% chance of winning.

Who do we beat? We can talk 10-10, 9-11 . . . all you want, but those numbers aren’t worth anything without a win. Who do we REALISTICALLY beat to get there?

You misread my post.  That is what that Bracketologists stated that was on the Podcast on the Brink.  But he actually said that we might win 8 games.  I think we might win anywhere from 7-10 games at best but more closer to the 7.

[IUFAN1976 3,966]

25 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

They are already on the bubble.   Probably 8-10 out as of today and don’t have any Q1 wins.  By default if they got to 10 wins they are going to have multiple Q1 wins.  I would feel very confident as a bracketologist that if they get to 10 wins they will be are the right side.    Hypotheticals are nice however not enough information is available making absolutes on if a team gets to a certain number of wins they are in or out.   Would have to wait and see what the end of the bubble looks like. 

That is true but without any Q1 wins, they aren’t getting in.

[Scotty R 2,480]

7 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

If you listen to the Tonsoni podcast he very much tries to punt on the topic BECAUSE he says Andy Bottoms on the podcast with him knows this stuff and he doesn’t.

I like Tonsoni’s game and scheme analysis and he knows IU well, but the guy consistently shows that he doesn’t follow college basketball much beyond Monroe County. He never, never has knowledge about the national scene.

He submits a bracket as part of a named group? That’s fine but he would agree that he’s not an expert. That’s not a knock on him; he’s good at what he’s good at but this isn’t it.

Yes he does know the national scene. Him and Delphi bracketology get press passes for most of the big ten schools. He has to watch more than just IU to be good at bracketology 

[Uspshoosier 47,278]

4 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

That is true but without any Q1 wins, they aren’t getting in.

Yes that would be the case. That’s why I said hypothetically if IU got to 10 wins they would have multiple since 13 of their 17 remaining games are Q1 opportunities with the Purdue game at Assembly Hall right on the edge that could be 14 Q1 games left.   That’s all I’m saying.    If and thats a big if the got to 10 they would have to have won multiple Q1 games.   As a bracketologist I give the unbiased path IU has and give you the why they can make it going 10-10 however the invested IU fan in me  can tell you I don’t see the path.    I’m just better at looking at IU through the lense of an unbiased college basketball fan then others when doing bracketology 

[HoosierHoopster 7,283]

2 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Oh well, we all have our issues!  I don’t even like coffee!

Sacrilege