Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Pagoda 351]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

I’m not defending Quinn, I’m telling you how and why something happened. I understand you don’t like the process, but that doesn’t change a thing.

No, you do defend him.

We know why things happened and of course no one here can change it.

I’m just pointing out why our “process” doesn’t work.  IU should know better.

[Golfman25 5,437]

14 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

No, you do defend him.

We know why things happened and of course no one here can change it.

I’m just pointing out why our “process” doesn’t work.  IU should know better.

IU’s “process” is a lesson in failure.   Just ask the Chicago Bears.   

[Golfman25 5,437]

23 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I’m not defending Quinn, I’m telling you how and why something happened. I understand you don’t like the process, but that doesn’t change a thing.

But you are defending him. When you say crap like “his influence has been good.”   No need to continually tell us IU is screwed up.  We can all see it.   

[Rico 3,053]

2 hours ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I do not even bother with that noise. Woody does not get extra credit for doing what he and this team are paid 10 Million to do. Minnesota is a mid major roster if not worse. Even when they aren't, IU basketball should expect double digit wins at home against Minnesota. That team may struggle to win 3 games (if that) in the B1G. This win does not move the needle at all, it is a 15 point Q4 win at home, it was a must have not an accomplishment. Anyone arguing otherwise is a clown, and when the two big lineup is not working against a team with a pulse we will not have the luxury of waiting 8 minutes to make a change. The smaller lineup went on a 12-1 run and we never really looked back. Maybe Woody will adjust quicker versus better competition, but history says he is pretty stubborn about his lineups. Sorry for the rant, the shills shilling for stuff IU basketball should be expected to do is so annoying to me lol

[Chris007 44,066]

10 hours ago, ap2345 said:

Yeah, Idk but I've heard some things that make me think he would from people that would likely know. 

I will be at a Christmas party with his family on Friday. They usually don't know anything or even care. They usually give an answer like as long as he's happy we don't care where he's coaching at. 

[KathywithaC 494]

31 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

No, you do defend him.

We know why things happened and of course no one here can change it.

I’m just pointing out why our “process” doesn’t work.  IU should know better.

It’s not a defense of Bucker but instead an explanation of how and why things have happened. There are lots of mouths to feed in this kind of environment and lots of people who want / demand a say. Of course IU “should” know better, but it’s been done a certain way, with some variance, for decades. I know that’s frustrating for plenty of us and confounding to those who don’t know the people that have served and the structure under which they’ve operated, but it’s been the way for a long time. Consistently poor leadership. 

[KathywithaC 494]

18 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

But you are defending him. When you say crap like “his influence has been good.”   No need to continually tell us IU is screwed up.  We can all see it.   

His influence hasn’t been entirely bad, and it included moving a coach out over the objections of the AD. If you liked that guy, which perhaps you did, you didn’t care for Buckner’s influence then, either. Many felt otherwise.

[Tasmanian Devil 1,571]

10 hours ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Kinda, we mostly took the 3 point shots away from them. They only shot 11. I don’t like Woodson either but you gotta tell the whole story lol

Held them to 11? Or they are just simply bad?

We have given up - on average - 21 three-point attempts per game to our opponents. The only other game this year we’ve given up less than 20 is Sam Houston St (17). We’ve given up 30+ attempts three times.

Nevertheless, I counted at least 6 of the attempts from last night that were wide open shots. Again, the Gophers suck - that was the lowest 3-pt percentage last night (18.2%) an opponent had shot against us since last January against Minnesota (15%).

The point is, we can’t keep giving up wide-open looks from beyond the arc or it’s gonna kill us. So far, we haven’t played good enough competition for it to matter. But when we get into the Big 10, it certainly will. We’ll play 10 games against teams shooting 35% or better, and you can’t convince me they will all miss those wide open shots like I saw last night - and have seen so far this year.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,432]

QB doesn’t give two s***s about IU basketball. All he cares about is getting his buddy the head coaching job. Now that his buddy has the job, he’s holding the program hostage so that his buddy can keep the job. Hoosier my ***. 

[Stuhoo 80,877]

10 hours ago, Solsberryberries said:

Direct quote from his immediate family:

”There’s no chance he leaves Michigan.  He loves it there.”

I would love to eat crow on this, but that was two weeks ago.  5 years down the road… maybe another story?

 

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I will be at a Christmas party with his family on Friday. They usually don't know anything or even care. They usually give an answer like as long as he's happy we don't care where he's coaching at. 

Considering that Chris is a local and our new-ish poster has a Greene County town in his posting handle, I'm gonna go with their collective take.

Thanks for the assessment guys... @Solsberryberries... don't be a stranger!!

[ap2345 7,877]

18 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I will be at a Christmas party with his family on Friday. They usually don't know anything or even care. They usually give an answer like as long as he's happy we don't care where he's coaching at. 

That sounds about right tbh

[IUHoosierJoe 1,159]

14 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

It’s not a defense of Bucker but instead an explanation of how and why things have happened. There are lots of mouths to feed in this kind of environment and lots of people who want / demand a say. Of course IU “should” know better, but it’s been done a certain way, with some variance, for decades. I know that’s frustrating for plenty of us and confounding to those who don’t know the people that have served and the structure under which they’ve operated, but it’s been the way for a long time. Consistently poor leadership. 

At the end of the day, you’re arguing that’s the way it’s always been, and others are arguing it shouldn’t be that way.

You’re both right.  Unfortunately, that doesn’t get us anywhere except the same road we’ve been down for the past 30 years.  Some of us older guys know that road is a dead end, and many are quickly losing interest.

[Chris007 44,066]

Just now, IUHoosierJoe said:

At the end of the day, you’re arguing that’s the way it’s always been, and others are arguing it shouldn’t be that way.

You’re both right.  Unfortunately, that doesn’t get us anywhere except the same road we’ve been down for the past 30 years.  Some of us older guys know that road is a dead end, and many are quickly losing interest.

Exactly. It doesn't matter how it has been. We have to change how we hire, as we did in football. 

[Stuhoo 80,877]

• Any of you that think that Quinn Buckner or Mike Woodson don't deeply care about IU? Good lord, that's an absolutist take that is just not true.
• If any of you think that Quinn Buckner, Mike Woodson, Curt Cignetti, or Scott Dolson are flawless? Good lord, that's an absolutist take that is just not true.

What is true? People are flawed and some are better or less suited for particular roles. Or they succeed at certain aspects of roles but when they fail it is very visible.

That's true for Buckner, Woodson, Cignetti, Dolson, or anyone outside of IU's universe. There are very few absolutist Bin Ladens that are without exception evil and misguided.                                                                                                        

[KathywithaC 494]

1 minute ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

At the end of the day, you’re arguing that’s the way it’s always been, and others are arguing it shouldn’t be that way.

You’re both right.  Unfortunately, that doesn’t get us anywhere except the same road we’ve been down for the past 30 years.  Some of us older guys know that road is a dead end, and many are quickly losing interest.

Agree. I’ve been around it for a number of years and it’s as frustrating for you and me as it is for the newer fans who are arguing (rightly) that it shouldn’t be that way, at least any more. I do believe Scott is gaining influence and independence and will flourish in the years to come. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,432]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

• Any of you that think that Quinn Buckner or Mike Woodson don't deeply care about IU? Good lord, that's an absolutist take that is just not true.

Their actions say otherwise. 

[ap2345 7,877]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Their actions say otherwise. 

Actions always speak louder than words. They may care about IU basketball but they care about personal agenda's more imo

[KathywithaC 494]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Exactly. It doesn't matter how it has been. We have to change how we hire, as we did in football. 

Agreed but, as I’m sure you know, that change doesn’t come easily at IU, and it’s been complicated by the overt influence of NIL. We’ve done an excellent job of playing that part of the game, but it’s not something that many within in the University find much satisfaction in.

[IUHoosierJoe 1,159]

7 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Agree. I’ve been around it for a number of years and it’s as frustrating for you and me as it is for the newer fans who are arguing (rightly) that it shouldn’t be that way, at least any more. I do believe Scott is gaining influence and independence and will flourish in the years to come. 

This is just my opinion, but the success of the football program is important for many reasons, not the least of which is 1) we see the product of what seems from the outside to have been a more normal hiring process, and 2) the increase in revenue can help offset the impact of some donors who will leave, upset that they don’t have the say they demand.

[KathywithaC 494]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

• Any of you that think that Quinn Buckner or Mike Woodson don't deeply care about IU? Good lord, that's an absolutist take that is just not true.
• If any of you think that Quinn Buckner, Mike Woodson, Curt Cignetti, or Scott Dolson are flawless? Good lord, that's an absolutist take that is just not true.

What is true? People are flawed and some are better or less suited for particular roles. Or they succeed at certain aspects of roles but when they fail it is very visible.

That's true for Buckner, Woodson, Cignetti, Dolson, or anyone outside of IU's universe. There are very few absolutist Bin Ladens that are without exception evil sand misguided.                                                                                                        

The notion that they don’t know basketball or don’t care deeply about IU is really beyond reason. I understand everyone’s disappointment with the results, but these aren’t people who are devious or in it for ulterior purposes.