Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Pagoda 322]

44 minutes ago, str8baller said:

He could say much worse. And we saw it last time: you only have so much political capital to spend chasing pie-in-the-sky candidates before you run out of capital and publicly the job reeks of desperation.  
 

We literally watched this unfold last time and is allegedly the reason we stuck with Woody. I’d probably pass on wasting any energy on Steven’s this time around. 

I don’t know why talking with candidates is such a challenge for IU.  It’s like 1-2 days of discussions per candidate and you get to a yes or no.  We just saw UK talk to three to five coaches (hard to know exactly how many) before going with Pope.  This is not that difficult, yet IU struggles.

The key is letting Scott lead the process.  He will do it properly and not get fazed by a no.

[Solsberryberries 39]

5 hours ago, ap2345 said:

I still believe things will start with Brad, Bruce, and Dusty. I do not believe Dusty would turn IU down. After that McCollum is definitely on my list. 

Unfortunately, I’m convinced he will turn us down.  Unless he told his family to tell everyone he’s not coming back home anytime soon to keep the noise down?

 

It’s a crying shame he’s coaching in the B1G and not at Indiana.

 

 

[Golfman25 5,405]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I’m glad there are still some.  I’m a die hard but have lost my enthusiasm toward watching the games.  Like I stated, I have only missed the B10+ games and Gonzaga because I was in surgery when that game was on.  I will continue to watch, but it is painful 

True fans wouldn’t use surgery as an excuse. :)

[str8baller 5,253]

8 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

I don’t know why talking with candidates is such a challenge for IU.  It’s like 1-2 days of discussions per candidate and you get to a yes or no.  We just saw UK talk to three to five coaches (hard to know exactly how many) before going with Pope.  This is not that difficult, yet IU struggles.

The key is letting Scott lead the process.  He will do it properly and not get fazed by a no.

Pope was a mid level guy and roughly equivalent to us getting Archie. Not all that hard. Looks great now but lots of people thought they settled at the time. 
 

The big names are different. Even if they don’t want to go, their agent won’t allow them to give a simple, discreet no. They’ll leak it to the press and then use that leverage to renegotiate where they are at. Then that’s it. You can’t go after another big name and say “good news, you’re our 2nd choice and number 1 just said no.” If you tried that with May after getting turned down with Steven’s then he’ll do the same and just use it to renegotiate.   
 

If you want to go for a big name, pick one and make your play. If/when you strike out you’ll be fighting everyone for whatever mid/low major guys are left. See Lville last year.

[WeeDerkaNaut 92]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

He could say much worse. And we saw it last time: you only have so much political capital to spend chasing pie-in-the-sky candidates before you run out of capital and publicly the job reeks of desperation.  
 

We literally watched this unfold last time and is allegedly the reason we stuck with Woody. I’d probably pass on wasting any energy on Steven’s this time around. 

Ok but I very highly doubt he'd say much more than no, and if he did, I very very highly doubt he'd say it publicly, so as I said all we can do is ask/make the offer, if he says no then ok we move on to another candidate.

[str8baller 5,253]

6 minutes ago, WeeDerkaNaut said:

Ok but I very highly doubt he'd say much more than no, and if he did, I very very highly doubt he'd say it publicly, so as I said all we can do is ask/make the offer, if he says no then ok we move on to another candidate.

We could guess. Or we could look to last time as our guide.  
 

It was messy last time he was publicly disavowing the whole state and calling himself a masshole.

[WeeDerkaNaut 92]

21 minutes ago, str8baller said:

We could guess. Or we could look to last time as our guide.  
 

It was messy last time he was publicly disavowing the whole state and calling himself a masshole.

I would hardly call his response messy or disavowing the whole state. He understands where he wants to be and stuck with his decision while complimenting fans. He's been given an incredible opportunity and jumped on it. We can't take that personally. He loves IU still. Can't knock him for taking the position he did at Boston and we don't know all the dynamics that went into his decision.

[Hornsby 1,911]

Pope was a mid level guy and roughly equivalent to us getting Archie. Not all that hard. Looks great now but lots of people thought they settled at the time. 
 
The big names are different. Even if they don’t want to go, their agent won’t allow them to give a simple, discreet no. They’ll leak it to the press and then use that leverage to renegotiate where they are at. Then that’s it. You can’t go after another big name and say “good news, you’re our 2nd choice and number 1 just said no.” If you tried that with May after getting turned down with Steven’s then he’ll do the same and just use it to renegotiate.   
 
If you want to go for a big name, pick one and make your play. If/when you strike out you’ll be fighting everyone for whatever mid/low major guys are left. See Lville last year.

I would expect over the next three weeks the king can probably win some games as he got a pretty easy big ten draw in the first 4 or 6 games. But come mid January it will get brutal and that will determine whether the king survives or not.

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[Tasmanian Devil 1,562]

Same crap as Providence - Minnesota is getting wide-open 3s, but they can't shoot (20%). Not sure they could hit the Atlantic Ocean if they were on Daytona Beach.

We should be winning this game by 30. But our defense is terrible. Good teams in the league are gonna kill us.

[AZ Hoosier 7,167]

I saw the Minny score... looks like the King is doing his job again... :D :D :D 

[KathywithaC 494]

4 hours ago, Pagoda said:

He thought Woody was the right hire because he is his best pal and his NBA career had sputtered out.

It’s also not Quinn’s job to pick the basketball coach.  It’s the AD’s job.  This is organization management 101, there are probably some online courses from Kelley if you need more detail.

This is a case study in organizational failure.  Quinn ruined four seasons and counting of IUBB.

You’re telling me how it ought to be in your world, but the fact of the matter is the IU world has historically been much different. Buckner isn’t the first non-AD to assert considerable influence on the.process. By the way, not all of QBs influence related to hoops has been bad. 

[Hornsby 1,911]

Same crap as Providence - Minnesota is getting wide-open 3s, but they can't shoot (20%). Not sure they could hit the Atlantic Ocean if they were on Daytona Beach. We should be winning this game by 30. But our defense is terrible. Good teams in the league are gonna kill us.

 

The king beat the worst team in the league at home by 15. Michigan state won by 18 at minnesota. Neededless to say lots of we're back on twitter. The indiana bbal twitter responses are pure comedy. You'd think we had just beaten kansas

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[Hornsby 1,911]

I saw the Minny score... looks like the King is doing his job again... :D :D :D 

The king is cooking and there will be alot of celebrating tonight with the boosters.. Up next one of the other worst teams in the league but it's on the road

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[Rico 3,037]

58 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Same crap as Providence - Minnesota is getting wide-open 3s, but they can't shoot (20%). Not sure they could hit the Atlantic Ocean if they were on Daytona Beach.

 

Fire Ben Johnson!

[IUFAN1976 3,132]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

True fans wouldn’t use surgery as an excuse. :)

I will work and try much harder!  I know i can do better!  :)

[str8baller 5,253]

59 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Good teams in the league are gonna kill us.

Luckily there aren’t very many above avg. which means if we’re above avg we could still finish top 6. I’m not sure we’re better than average though.

[str8baller 5,253]

1 hour ago, WeeDerkaNaut said:

He understands where he wants to be and stuck with his decision while complimenting fans. He's been given an incredible opportunity and jumped on it. We can't take that personally.

Exactly.

no need to inquire further. Pick a real candidate and make your play. 

[Redleader 188]

1 hour ago, KathywithaC said:

You’re telling me how it ought to be in your world, but the fact of the matter is the IU world has historically been much different. Buckner isn’t the first non-AD to assert considerable influence on the.process. By the way, not all of QBs influence related to hoops has been bad. 

Where and when has Buckner’s influence been good for hoops?

[ap2345 7,845]

7 hours ago, WeeDerkaNaut said:

That's fair, do we really think we can pull Stevens from his current spot in Boston though? That just seems like a tough sell considering. I know certain people have maintained contact with him so maybe his passion will pull him here, least we can do it put the offer on the table. Worst he can say is no. And I know May loves IU but how realistic is it for him to leave Michigan after only one year? Pearl is a good coach, so pardon my ignorance but are the violations committed at Tennessee not violations anymore? Or are we just willing to take that risk considering his W/L record? I know I have a lot questions, it's just the current situation makes me ask them :P

There's a lot on Stevens but I'll leave it at this. Do I think it's likely right this moment, I don't. However once the job comes open and Dolson approaches him without all the other people that butted in last time. The odds would likely go up. There's a lot more details on Steven's I've shared before but I do believe there would be a chance if done correctly. May, I do believe he would strongly consider taking the job for several different reasons. Pearl's violations wouldn't be a problem now and Dolson was talking to him last year. It wouldn't be a problem.

[ap2345 7,845]

3 hours ago, Solsberryberries said:

Unfortunately, I’m convinced he will turn us down.  Unless he told his family to tell everyone he’s not coming back home anytime soon to keep the noise down?

 

It’s a crying shame he’s coaching in the B1G and not at Indiana.

 

 

Yeah, Idk but I've heard some things that make me think he would from people that would likely know.