Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA

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1 minute ago, ap2345 said:

Except for the fact that Frye has been an OC at UCLA and is the associate head coach at OSU 

Frye was OC in name only at UCLA. Chip Kelly to this day still calls his own plays, as does Ryan Day at Ohio State. Mike Hart was the associate head coach at Indiana before being hired away to Michigan FWIW.

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1 hour ago, IndyResident16 said:

Frye technically isn't the OC at Ohio State, Brian Hartline is although he doesn't call the plays either. No clue what Frye makes at Ohio State but I would have figured the chance at play-calling duties with a competitive salary would help jump start his head coaching potency but apparently IU is ready to roll the dice.

If it is indeed Candle we probably won't hear anything official until after Toledo plays at noon Saturday. If Chryst it could be in the next 48 hours and he better have assistants already lined up and ready to go for Monday. God knows he needs it.

If it's Hart or Frye I'll pretend I care and try and talk myself into it, but realize that my Saturdays are going to be pretty free for the foreseeable future. 

Ryan Day, Ohio State: $10,196,250  ($9,826,500)
    OC Brian Hartline $1.6 million 
    DC Jim Knowles $1.957 million.
    DL Larry Johnson $1.167 million
    OL Justin Frye $1 million 
    CB Tim Walton $1 million
    RB Tony Alford $772,500
    S  Perry Eliano $515,000
    ST Parker Fleming $500,000
    TE Keenan Bailey $400,000
    QB Corey Dennis $412,000

 

Whoever gets hired will bring in his guys. Dolson isn't interviewing coordinator jobs. This is one of the major reasons I hope Candle is our guy. He'll bring in his guys, that already know the system (OF WINNING!). He'll hit the ground in a full blown sprint and shake some trees along the way. This is THE REASON I want an experienced HC that has a resume of winning to get hired. Even if it doesn't work out he'll at least already have a head start on things that most don't really take into account. If it's Chryst, he'll do the same. Hart and Frye will reach out to folks they trust and cherry pick folks to come along for the ride. They won't have that experience and hindsight of the duties of the job, but will be able to surround themselves with folks they trust. Regardless, going either route might be a homerun or a backwards K. 

All of this makes me wonder that Dolson wasn't able to sell IUFB to some of the names mentioned. It's a tough sell, especially to winners. They probably asked tough questions to Dolson where he failed the smell test. If that's the case, I'm almost certain money played a big role. Which doesn't make sense considering we just ponied up a large chunk of change to axe Allen. Whatever, it's IUFB. The other thought I have is Dolson had a target or two but didn't get any bites because it's IUFB. For example, it's possible Herman just doesn't want to coach here but was kind enough to go through the interview process. 

Bottom line, I hope the next coach hired wants to be here and has something to prove. 

[J34 1,472]

2 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

That's fine. That's not what I'm talking about either. He didn't hire Moren, didn't hire Yeagley, didn't hire Mercer, etc

I'm specifically looking at handing out one of the worst college football contracts in the history of the sport and the search efforts that landed a 63 year old NBA journeyman with no prior college experience who wasn't in any kind of demand. This on top of a new football search that on surface seems extremely underwhelming.

Like I said the other night, when your greatest achievement as AD is firing a coach (that you didn't hire) who didn't play in a single tournament game in 4 years at Indiana University, your efforts deserve criticism. 

LOL

So, you're saying he's done a good job with everything, but the football program? 

You do realize IU football has been bad for over a century, correct? 

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3 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Ryan Day, Ohio State: $10,196,250  ($9,826,500)
    OC Brian Hartline $1.6 million 
    DC Jim Knowles $1.957 million.
    DL Larry Johnson $1.167 million
    OL Justin Frye $1 million 
    CB Tim Walton $1 million
    RB Tony Alford $772,500
    S  Perry Eliano $515,000
    ST Parker Fleming $500,000
    TE Keenan Bailey $400,000
    QB Corey Dennis $412,000

 

Whoever gets hired will bring in his guys. Dolson isn't interviewing coordinator jobs. This is one of the major reasons I hope Candle is our guy. He'll bring in his guys, that already know the system (OF WINNING!). He'll hit the ground in a full blown sprint and shake some trees along the way. This is THE REASON I want an experienced HC that has a resume of winning to get hired. Even if it doesn't work out he'll at least already have a head start on things that most don't really take into account. If it's Chryst, he'll do the same. Hart and Frye will reach out to folks they trust and cherry pick folks to come along for the ride. They won't have that experience and hindsight of the duties of the job, but will be able to surround themselves with folks they trust. Regardless, going either route might be a homerun or a backwards K. 

All of this makes me wonder that Dolson wasn't able to sell IUFB to some of the names mentioned. It's a tough sell, especially to winners. They probably asked tough questions to Dolson where he failed the smell test. If that's the case, I'm almost certain money played a big role. Which doesn't make sense considering we just ponied up a large chunk of change to axe Allen. Whatever, it's IUFB. The other thought I have is Dolson had a target or two but didn't get any bites because it's IUFB. For example, it's possible Herman just doesn't want to coach here but was kind enough to go through the interview process. 

Bottom line, I hope the next coach hired wants to be here and has something to prove. 

almost 20 million in staff is crazy to see.  goodness

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5 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Why? Care to elaborate?

His Saturdays would be relatively free.

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Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

almost 20 million in staff is crazy to see.  goodness

Winners. Winners pay that. 

[IndyResident16 567]

7 minutes ago, J34 said:

LOL

So, you're saying he's done a good job with everything, but the football program? 

You do realize IU football has been bad for over a century, correct? 

He hasn't done anything. He didn't hire any of the coaches that you're trying to give him credit for. He hired Mike Woodson as a band-aid that still has much to prove at the age of 65 now that the AA he inherited is gone. An upgrade from Archie Miller, sure, that isn't hard to do.

I realize IU football has been bad for a century....IU has had some terrible AD's in the same time frame. Not a coincidence. If you haven't noticed, football is the driving force that moves the needle in college athletics. IU and their AD's, Dolson included, can't seem to figure that out. Hiring Mike Hart or Justin Frye furthers that.

 

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12 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

That’s correct. So we will now have 3,000,614.37, some Halloween candy, and a $50 gift card to Opie Taylor’s (R.I.P.) to work with for football NIL. 

R.I.P Opies...had some great moz sticks. 

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12 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Frye was OC in name only at UCLA. Chip Kelly to this day still calls his own plays, as does Ryan Day at Ohio State. Mike Hart was the associate head coach at Indiana before being hired away to Michigan FWIW.

There’s guys all over football in college and the NFL that are OC’s in name alone. There’s a lot more to being an OC than calling plays on game day.

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If you can race cars, then you can coach football or something like that.
Maybe IUPUColumbus had a good season and were bringing in their coach. 

Did somebody mention Joe Gibbs?

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Frye over Hart if we go that route

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3 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

R.I.P Opies...had some great moz sticks. 

Random note, if you ever head to Civilian Brewery in Spencer I think their Moz Sticks are the best I have ever had.

[IndyResident16 567]

Just now, ap2345 said:

There’s guys all over football in college and the NFL that are OC’s in name alone. There’s a lot more to being an OC than calling plays on game day.

Don't disagree, but I'd prefer my head football coach have some semblance of prior play-calling duties before taking a head coaching job for the first time, among many other things. 

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9 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

R.I.P Opies...had some great moz sticks. 

loved Opie Taylor's......

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26 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Portal opens up on Tuesday. It would very much be in our benefit to have the guy in place before then.

sure that makes sense but did Dolson make a comment about having this done this weekend or is this just a logical time to try and get it done.  The right guy seems more important than the right time to me - hopefully we can do both

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9 minutes ago, iuthruandthru said:

Random note, if you ever head to Civilian Brewery in Spencer I think their Moz Sticks are the best I have ever had.

My wife has family in spencer. When we make it back to visit I will walk over there for a beer, but haven't had their moz sticks yet. It's on the list. 

[J34 1,472]

11 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

He hasn't done anything. He didn't hire any of the coaches that you're trying to give him credit for. He hired Mike Woodson as a band-aid that still has much to prove at the age of 65 now that the AA he inherited is gone. An upgrade from Archie Miller, sure, that isn't hard to do.

I realize IU football has been bad for a century....IU has had some terrible AD's in the same time frame. Not a coincidence. If you haven't noticed, football is the driving force that moves the needle in college athletics. IU and their AD's, Dolson included, can't seem to figure that out. Hiring Mike Hart or Justin Frye furthers that.

 

You do realize in the business world, CEO's and managers, leave positions all the time. The new leaders aren't just hiring new personnel.  It's their job to keep things running smoothly,  or make the proper adjustments. Sometimes it's not all about who you hire or fire,

So far, your only arguments are, an unfortunate contract extension, and age discrimination towards our bball hire?

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Mike Hart is the ultimate lose-lose. It's highly, highly likely he won't succeed, cause he would be beholden to who his coordinators are, just like Allen was. And if he succeeds, he'll leave the nanosecond the Michigan job opens up.

Dolson must not being getting the signs that this would be a bad hire

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[IndyResident16 567]

1 minute ago, J34 said:

You do realize in the business world, CEO's and managers, leave positions all the time. The new leaders aren't just hiring new personnel.  It's their job to keep things running smoothly,  or make the proper adjustments. Sometimes it's not all about who you hire or fire,

So far, your only arguments are, an unfortunate contract extension, and age discrimination towards our bball hire?

We have the worst P5 college football program in America getting ready to make an extremely underwhelming hire and a basketball team that will be lucky to make the tournament this year. But yes, keep shilling for Scott Dolson. 

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8 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Don't disagree, but I'd prefer my head football coach have some semblance of prior play-calling duties before taking a head coaching job for the first time, among many other things. 

I get your point but there’s plenty of successful coaches that were never play callers. Here’s a few. 

College Coaches 

Urban Meyer 

Jim Harbaugh

Jim Tressel 

Dabo Swinney

Pat Fitzgerald

PJ Fleck 

Kirk Ferentz 

NFL Coaches 

Zac Taylor 

Nick Sirianni