IUBB vs Army - Sunday, 11.12.23 @ 7:00 on BTN

[Uspshoosier]

5 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

clearly you have no idea what efficiency means or how it works.

I do and I still think they need to let it fly.   It’s ok to have a different opinion or perspective.   Just because you don’t agree with someone doesn’t automatically mean that they clearly don’t have an idea how it works.    

[Stuhoo]

Last year we had six of our ten players (once X got hurt) who either refused to take a three or, even when open, were terrible from beyond the arc:

• Trayce
• Race
• Malik
• Jordan G
• Gunn
• Banks

JHS, Kopp, Bates, and Gallo were either respectable or better from three last year.

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This year? I would say that eight of our ten projected rotation players; 

• Mgbako
• X,
• Gallo,
• Cupps,
• Ware,
• Malik,
• Banks,
• and maaaaybe Gunn,

are (subjectively) respectable or better from three. That should be an improvement and because of that we should have more volume.

Put Malik and (when he's in the game) Sparks in the post, have Ware set high screens and pop, and let the 'out' bigs like Ware, Banks, Mgbako and Walker rim run or pop, and chase long misses.

[IndyResident16]

10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I do and I still think they need to let it fly.   It’s ok to have a different opinion or perspective.   Just because you don’t agree with someone doesn’t automatically mean that they clearly don’t have an idea how it works.    

IU is clearly at it's best with guys like Ware and Reneau scoring at the rim. Giving that up to brick 25 three pointers a game at the expense of making 8 or 9 (instead of 5 or 6) is literally how efficiency works lol, there's no differing opinion. I would love for IU to be able to make 9 or 10 three's a game but realize that it isn't practical to do it efficiently given our personnel.

[Uspshoosier]

6 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

he was already getting beat off the dribble vs army.

So was every other guard.   Hummel specifically called out Johnson for them blowing right by him

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, IndyResident16 said:

IU is clearly at its best with guys like Ware and Reneau scoring at the rim. Giving that up to brick 25 three pointers a game at the expense of making 8 or 9 (instead of 5 or 6) is literally how efficiency works lol, there's no differing opinion. I would love for IU to be able to make 9 or 10 three's a game but realize that it isn't practical to do it efficiently given our personnel.

Clearly at its best 2 games in against FGCU and Army.   For me I’m fine with it because there is more at stake here then being more efficient in year 3.   If you don’t think IU is getting negative recruited as we speak with some of these wings and guards that would help IU be more efficient from 3 then I can’t help you.   Someone is in Harrelson and Peterson ear as we speak saying look at IU just throwing it in to a big man and letting him work.    Why on earth would you risk going there where they only shoot 13 threes a game.   Mgbako not get many opportunities from 3.   IU is having a hard time getting wings and guards to comit anyway don’t need to give teams easy fire power just because they are worried about but the most efficient.     Agree to disagree and we can move on or at least I already have 

[IndyResident16]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Clearly at its best 2 games in against FGCU and Army.   For me I’m fine with it because there is more at stake here then being more efficient in year 3.   If you don’t think IU is getting negative recruited as we speak with some of these wings and guards that would help IU be more efficient from 3 then I can’t help you.   Someone is in Harrelson and Peterson ear as we speak saying look at IU just throwing it in to a big man and letting him work.    Why on earth would you risk going there where they only shoot 13 threes a game.   Mgbako not get many opportunities from 3.   IU is having a hard time getting wings and guards to comit anyway don’t need to give teams easy fire power just because they are worried about but the most efficient.     Agree to disagree and we can move on or at least I already have 

We just signed one of the top high school 3 point shooters in the country.....not sure what you're talking about. 

[J34]

42 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

20 years ago. The game is little different. 

Completely irrelevant! 

Now, if he was a 4 or 5, sure the game has changed for them. The pg position hasn't changed much in twenty years.

[IUFAN1976]

13 hours ago, Hoosier987 said:

 Seasons can be won or lost before any games begin during the summer. Woodson constructed this team. It was clear to anyone who watched IU Basketball that we lacked guard play and scoring ability…yet he didn’t address these issues during the off-season and it’s rearing it’s ugly head. This is his 3rd year, he needs to continue an upward trajectory but he left himself a mighty tall task with the makeup of this team….and I won’t mince my words, last nights coaching wasn’t very good. This team lacks basic teaching fundamentals. 

And I think Woodson is the type of coach that relies heavily on leadership and his players teaching them the core stuff but I question if he’s got the right player or players in a leadership role.  Those two have never been in that role before.  I think TG could be OK but I really question X, the dude was whining to the refs a lot and he threw his teammates under the bus on tv after the game.

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I think TG could be OK but I really question X, the dude was whining to the refs a lot and he threw his teammates under the bus on tv after the game.

From what I can discern I think you've got it backwards.

Not that Gallo is a problem (not at all), but X is thought to be a more natural, vocal leader.

Certainly so are Walker and Cupps, but their roles/age/newness to the program limit them.

[J34]

31 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Didn’t say every white kid was. What I do know is when we have a white kid who plays hard this fanbase likes to act like he is IsiahThomas.

he was already getting beat off the dribble vs army. It will show up more and more. Love the kid, compared my own kid to him and the way he plays, fans acting like him playing more, taking X minutes, etc is needed - is a failed proposition. 

yes, CJ is longer, quicker, more bounce etc. he has traits needed to be a better defender and what we need against better teams. We have to get him on track. 
 

My opinion, nothing more - best lineup if everything was working right - X, CJ, Trey, MM then Ware. Cupps, Malik, Banks - 8 men most games. That is what we need to build to. Best defensive and offensive potential 

Every time we get a 6'6 athletic kid, some people think he's the next Calbert Cheaney.(see how that works)

What have you seen from CJ, that merits more playing time, let alone starting?

[IUFAN1976]

13 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Look, we can disagree. He should lead our team in assists because he has the ball all the time. He refuses to pass more than he does. He could and should have double that number. Seen many other intelligent posters on Twitter and other boards who feel exact same. This isn’t some crazy notion. Stats are not end all. 

if Ware is supposed to space it (doubt that is direction) but when he goes to the post, which is often, Malik is clogging it up. 

also, he is big part of the reason we can’t get out and run. MM would change that and space the floor more. 

not saying we go small ball all the time nor do I think it would work with our roster. I am saying MM needs to be rotated into there more than now which has been zero minutes there.

He very well want to be a 3 but at some point, he will need to realize he is a 4 and excellent one at that. 

I was texting a friend during the Army game and I made a comment to my friend that Reneau is a black hole, I was really surprised he had that many assists.  I noticed that once he gets the ball, it takes him way too much time to make a move, seems indecisive on which way he is feeling the defender then a double team comes and that is where he finally passes it.  He needs to move much quicker, pass it much quicker, etc.  I think he looks to score first and that only helps the defense predict his move.  Maybe he should be a facilitator first and that would open up things more for everyone.  He don’t have to have that shoot first mentality.  Last thing, I have noticed he missed MM and Ware a lot cutting, it’s like he really don’t want to pass to them or he’s got really poor recognition 

[go iu bb]

39 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Didn’t say every white kid was. What I do know is when we have a white kid who plays hard this fanbase likes to act like he is IsiahThomas.

 

Hyperbole much?

I don't see anyone saying that Cupps is the next coming of Isiah. Nor have I seen that for any other white kid. It's also kind of weird thing to say since Isiah is black. 

Please show me where anyone is comparing him to one of the best Hoosiers ever and an NBA Hall of Famer?

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, Ngw7183 said:

X was being lazy, we know he can. So you are saying Cupps was being lazy? Doubt it. He can’t stay in front of quicker guys. 

Doesn’t really matter which was lazy they both got beat.   Doesn’t matter if you know he can he still got beat 

[IUFAN1976]

13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

From what I can discern I think you've got it backwards.

Not that Gallo is a problem (not at all), but X is thought to be a more natural, vocal leader.

Certainly so are Walker and Cupps, but their roles/age/newness to the program limit them.

It takes more than just being vocal to be a natural leader.  You have to walk the walk and talk the talk. Leading by example is a huge part and arguing every call against you isn’t leading by example and rolling your teammates under the bus on tv isn’t cool either.  It should be said, but only in the locker room and straight to their face, not to a tv audience 

[Stuhoo]

6 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

It takes more than just being vocal to be a natural leader.  You have to walk the walk and talk the talk. Leading by example is a huge part and arguing every call against you isn’t leading by example and rolling your teammates under the bus on tv isn’t cool either.  It should be said, but only in the locker room and straight to their face, not to a tv audience 

As go iu bb said above ... "hyperbole much?"

And FWIW, no one said that X is a flawless leader, just that he is a more natural leader than Galloway.

 

[Golfman25]

53 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

IU is clearly at it's best with guys like Ware and Reneau scoring at the rim. Giving that up to brick 25 three pointers a game at the expense of making 8 or 9 (instead of 5 or 6) is literally how efficiency works lol, there's no differing opinion. I would love for IU to be able to make 9 or 10 three's a game but realize that it isn't practical to do it efficiently given our personnel.

The real solution is to work to get a good shot, and then take it -- whether at the rim, from 3, or whatever.  

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, Ngw7183 said:

It actually does matter. One is capable, the other isn’t. You can’t train what isn’t there. 

The other isn’t capable in your opinion? Not everyone’s opinion.   You might have wrote him off 2 games into a freshman season as not being able to defend but I’m guessing others will give it a little more time before makes that assumption.   Only Siths deal in absolutes 

[CSP]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

Didn’t say every white kid was. What I do know is when we have a white kid who plays hard this fanbase likes to act like he is IsiahThomas.

he was already getting beat off the dribble vs army. It will show up more and more. Love the kid, compared my own kid to him and the way he plays, fans acting like him playing more, taking X minutes, etc is needed - is a failed proposition. 

yes, CJ is longer, quicker, more bounce etc. he has traits needed to be a better defender and what we need against better teams. We have to get him on track. 
 

My opinion, nothing more - best lineup if everything was working right - X, CJ, Trey, MM then Ware. Cupps, Malik, Banks - 8 men most games. That is what we need to build to. Best defensive and offensive potential 

He needs to play more, but not by taking Xs mins. 

CJ isn't quicker. CJ is long, CJ is a better athlete overall.. he isn't quicker though. CJ Gunn hasn't shown he's any more than an athlete so far during his college career. 

Cupps is way closer to Yogi physically than Hulls, Coverdale, or Smith. 

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

You think Cupps is comparable to Yogi …. Seriously - you are kind of proving my point. He won’t be Yogi any more than CJ will be MJ. 

Expect... he is, physically, which is literally what I said.  

You've stated wild opinions here. 

[Uspshoosier]

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