2023 SF/PF Mackenzie Mgbako to INDI-F’N-ANA

[HoosierHoopster 7,265]

11 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

I am a Hoosier. 

Gary Parrish is a Hoser. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,284]

 

Thanks

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[AZ Hoosier 7,928]

35 minutes ago, btownqb said:

He literally worded it "this addition might make Indiana the 2nd best program in the state again"

Second best in the state behind who? The team that they beat twice last year? The team that lost to a 16 seed in the first round of the NCAAT? What an idiot...

[RaceToTheTop 26,656]

This is the thing:  Parrish is hurt because his pal Archie failed.  But more than anything, he gives Indiana crap because it drives clicks.

Want to make sure that your article isn't read?  Say something -- anything whether it's positive or negative -- about Purdue. Because nationally, no one cares.  It's something that drives Purdue fans nuts because despite deserving more attention than Indiana by being the better team the past twenty years, the history is 'nice little regular season story, but do nothing on the national stage'.  

Ultimately, that title is going to stick until something changes it.  Doing well in the regular season won't change that.....nationally people don't care about that in Purdue's case because they've seen it before.   

[Stuhoo 82,142]

21 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

This is the thing:  Parrish is hurt because his pal Archie failed.  But more than anything, he gives Indiana crap because it drives clicks.

Want to make sure that your article isn't read?  Say something -- anything whether it's positive or negative -- about Purdue. Because nationally, no one cares.  It's something that drives Purdue fans nuts because despite deserving more attention than Indiana by being the better team the past twenty years, the history is 'nice little regular season story, but do nothing on the national stage'.  

Ultimately, that title is going to stick until something changes it.  Doing well in the regular season won't change that.....nationally people don't care about that in Purdue's case because they've seen it before.   

The national public interest in Purdue sports equals that of the sports teams from:

• Colorado State
• Oklahoma State
• Georgia Tech

[cthomas 6,522]

It's kinda nice for me that the Purdue rivalry has that Knight/Keady vibe going again. Former players at their school who played for legendary coaches going at it. Feels kinda right.

[Josh 12,736]

41 minutes ago, cthomas said:

It's kinda nice for me that the Purdue rivalry has that Knight/Keady vibe going again. Former players at their school who played for legendary coaches going at it. Feels kinda right.

Man, eff that.  I want them to suck

[DChoosier 8,884]

7 hours ago, Dave from Dayton said:

He had certain restrictions on recruiting imposed by the administration.  I was not happy that IU did not let him bring his PG in year one.  IU and Archie never recovered from that decision. 

Good post.

I do have a question in regards to the recruiting. I have read other posts that stated the administration restricted his recruiting but have never read what specifically they did. I didn’t like the years in which we had obvious needs but Archie would still leave one or two spots open. Did the administration make him do it? Not disputing your statements but  I’d just like to know what they actively did to impede him.

[8bucks 6,562]

3 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

Good post.

I do have a question in regards to the recruiting. I have read other posts that stated the administration restricted his recruiting but have never read what specifically they did. I didn’t like the years in which we had obvious needs but Archie would still leave one or two spots open. Did the administration make him do it? Not disputing your statements but  I’d just like to know what they actively did to impede him.

Always thought he was brought in to get in the grey area. Like big bro and even family friend Cal, then the week after his hire the FBI thing hit. Just a theory.

[DChoosier 8,884]

1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

Always thought he was brought in to get in the grey area. Like big bro and even family friend Cal, then the week after his hire the FBI thing hit. Just a theory.

I was naive enough to think the “FBI thing” would bring down Kansas but there they were hanging a banner not much later. 

[IUFAN1976 3,766]

7 hours ago, btownqb said:

What on god's green earth would make Dicky V stupid? 

His health condition!

[IUFAN1976 3,766]

4 hours ago, Josh said:

Man, eff that.  I want them to suck

Ditto!!!

[lillurk 3,835]

I love that CMW — or more likely, whoever manages his socials — called MM “son” here 

 

[Hardwood83 4,775]

6 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

This is the thing:  Parrish is hurt because his pal Archie failed.  But more than anything, he gives Indiana crap because it drives clicks.

Want to make sure that your article isn't read?  Say something -- anything whether it's positive or negative -- about Purdue. Because nationally, no one cares.  It's something that drives Purdue fans nuts because despite deserving more attention than Indiana by being the better team the past twenty years, the history is 'nice little regular season story, but do nothing on the national stage'.  

Ultimately, that title is going to stick until something changes it.  Doing well in the regular season won't change that.....nationally people don't care about that in Purdue's case because they've seen it before.   

This is absolutely true. No one outside of Indiana thinks about, notices or cares about Purdue at all. At all. They are the invisible man of college athletics. Vanilla wallflower that gets good grades, but never invited to the parties because know one knows they exist. 

[RaceToTheTop 26,656]

6 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

The national public interest in Purdue sports equals that of the sports teams from:

• Colorado State
• Oklahoma State
• Georgia Tech

One difference:  people know what state Colorado State, Oklahoma State and Georgia Tech are in.

[Stuhoo 82,142]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

One difference:  people know what state Colorado State, Oklahoma State and Georgia Tech are in.

So they are West Rutger.

We share a conference with East Rutger and West Rutger.

[Brass Cannon 24,959]

7 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

One difference:  people know what state Colorado State, Oklahoma State and Georgia Tech are in.

If you polled non sports fans from the coasts I bet most would misspell Purdue. They just aren’t relevant 

[TheWatShot 14,344]

34 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

One difference:  people know what state Colorado State, Oklahoma State and Georgia Tech are in.

What's funny is how much this irritates Purdue fans. They act like everybody knows where Purdue is because they were good at football 20 years ago. 

[Dave from Dayton 3,367]

9 hours ago, DChoosier said:

Good post.

I do have a question in regards to the recruiting. I have read other posts that stated the administration restricted his recruiting but have never read what specifically they did. I didn’t like the years in which we had obvious needs but Archie would still leave one or two spots open. Did the administration make him do it? Not disputing your statements but  I’d just like to know what they actively did to impede him.

I have no inside information.  I was not privy to discussions and directions between the Athletic Department or the administration and Archie Miller.  My only sources of information were available in the media and online.

It seemed to me that in Tom Crean's last year or two, the recruiting and team building had fallen apart.  He was fired in spite of having two highly ranked teams and recognition in the media as being coach of the year twice.  Regardless, he did not get his teams into the elite eight and missed the NCAAT 5 years of 9.  He had been criticized for poor team fundamentals, poor defense, turnovers, arrests of players, poor recruiting of Indiana high school players, transfers, and overhype.  And Indiana lost to Purdue twice in one season. 

Welcome Archie Miller.  It is my opinion and only that...Coach Miller was to improve the academic progress rate, recruit Indiana high schools first, and once a scholarship is awarded then that student has a guaranteed spot until graduation.  Now, Archie Miller, go forth and win.  And pay no attention to the fact that Sean Miller was under FBI investigation for recruiting violations, etc.

Archie Miler's pack line defense and defense first were shocking to the players, the fans, the media after Tom Crean's fly to the hoop damn the turnovers full speed ahead faster and don't worry about defense we will outscore the opponents. Now do not clean house, Archie, the Student Bill of Rights makes clear you cannot do that.  If there is a fight in the locker room you cannot get the player(s) to transfer that are a disruption.  Plus that would hurt the APR.

And you cannot bring in your recruited PG.  That would be unsportsmanlike to the University of Dayton.  It just isn't done at Indiana.  Y'know.  We are squeaky clean, right?  

By the way, who is out there recruiting for Indiana's pack line defense?  That's an easy sell.  

Why did Archie Miller not use all of IU's scholarships?  Maybe he was waiting for better recruits or transfers to show up.  Maybe he was not willing to just fill positions because he couldn't then get them to transfer and it would hurt the APR.  I do not know.

Clearly, Archie Miller was in over his head.  Clearly, to me, the administration placed Archie Miller in position to fail.  It was literally and figuratively a no win situation.  

At Dayton, Archie Miller's team...one had only 7 or 8 scholarship players....and won the Horizon League.  A team effort based entirely on pack line defense and sharing the ball.  They were ball players on those teams.

At IU it was a disaster. Until the 3rd year...maybe...well, no...Covid.  No improvement.  Bye bye, Archie.

To put a positive spin on a very negative post...the administration is supporting Coach Woody...big time. Go forth and recruit and hang a new NCAAT Championship banner!

I was surprised and hopeful when Archie Miller was hired.  He had to go.  Glad the administration learned from all of it...and recognized a changing basketball game.

[str8baller 5,690]

54 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

I was surprised and hopeful when Archie Miller was hired.  He had to go.  Glad the administration learned from all of it...and recognized a changing basketball game.

I wasn’t as high on him as some but I thought he was a solid hire, at least in terms of trying to get the next up and coming coach.  
 

I think you made some fair points in your post. He and Woody are definitely operating in different worlds. I’m not sure this “world” is much better for Archie’s personality, but that doesn’t change the fact he was thrown some curveballs that hurt him including the covid year.   
 

With that said, I think it was pretty clear Archie isn’t quite ready for a job of this magnitude yet. What Woody is doing recruiting-wise and tourney-wise is what you’re supposed to do at a place like IU. I looked it up one time and forget the exact stat, but in something like a ~100 yrs of IU basketball every coach has made the tourney or won a conf title except Archie and Watsons 2yr stint. In other words, “The floor” at IU is pretty high and Archie really couldn’t clear that hurdle.  
 

To come back to Mdbako, it really shouldn’t be all that surprising that IU wins a recruitment like his. But it is, because of where the program has fallen. But the head coach at IU is supposed to win some of these battles occasionally AND competently fill out the rest of the roster too.  
 

If we’re being really honest with ourselves, Woody is about one more first weekend tourney exit before fans start grumbling about his “ceiling “ and if we can go further.