(C) Kel 'el Ware - COMMITTED TO INDIANA

[HoosierHoopster]

On 8/15/2023 at 9:01 AM, realTomCrean said:

Shades of TJD effort level from tape pre-Woodson. If CMW helps Ware to NBA I don't see how players can turn their back on him in recruiting for *almost* any other coach. I believe the 2024/2025 class (including portal) will be dinner pickens' for CMW if he can get Ware and Mgbako to the draft this year. Reneau would be icing on the cake. 

Yes, I think some may have forgotten how TJD used to loaf back on D early on (in a number of games anyway). That ended under Woodson. How much it came from TJD and how much from CMW we'll never know, but his effort in getting back on D was much, much better, and it paid off for him and the team.

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Yes, I think some may have forgotten how TJD used to loaf back on D early on (in a number of games anyway). That ended under Woodson. How much it came from TJD and how much from CMW we'll never know, but his effort in getting back on D was much, much better, and it paid off for him and the team.

I'll be honest, I don't think he loafed... I think he was THAT out of shape. Maybe some of KW's issue too. 

Same for Malik last year. He couldn't play more than 6-7 mins at a time, even if he was playing well. Just my thoughts. 

[HoosierHoopster]

23 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I'll be honest, I don't think he loafed... I think he was THAT out of shape. 

Same for Malik last year. He couldn't play more than 6-7 mins at a time, even if he was playing well. Just my thoughts. 

It's possible his conditioning had something to do with it, but then his effort level on the offensive end vs. the defensive end, in multiple games, draws that at best into question. He looked like he was loafing to me, defensively, not offensively. Malik's issues are just different (imo), he's learning not to throw his big body around, he still fouls at a high clip, and I don't see that as conditioning at all.

[8bucks]

15 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I'll be honest, I don't think he loafed... I think he was THAT out of shape. Maybe some of KW's issue too. 

Same for Malik last year. He couldn't play more than 6-7 mins at a time, even if he was playing well. Just my thoughts. 

I think USPS can confirm but I think there were questions about TJDs motor coming out of HS.

[Stuhoo]

21 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

I think USPS can confirm but I think there were questions about TJDs motor coming out of HS.

Absolutely there were. And a few of those questions lingered when Archie was his coach.

No questions anymore. The guy is a Warrior, both figuratively and literally.

 

[Muskie for three]

31 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

I think USPS can confirm but I think there were questions about TJDs motor coming out of HS.

Yes and yes very lazy and unengaged at times with flashes of beast mode .

[hoosierbgh]

15 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Absolutely there were. And a few of those questions lingered when Archie was his coach.

No questions anymore. The guy is a Warrior, both figuratively and literally.

 

To be fair, Archie didn't seem to be much of a motivator and playing that pack line defense had to be fairly stifling and de-motivating for TJD. Getting big blocks really seemed to energize and motivate TJD that first season under Woody. 

[CSP]

1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

I think USPS can confirm but I think there were questions about TJDs motor coming out of HS.

Out of shape to do everything that was being asked. Especially when he got here. 

Look how much he improved finishing around the basket the last two seasons, that triple jump dunk putback vs Maryland was not something he could have done early in his career. 

I agree it came off as loafing, just highly doubt that was the root cause. He was never lazy. 

[CSP]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

It's possible his conditioning had something to do with it, but then his effort level on the offensive end vs. the defensive end, in multiple games, draws that at best into question. He looked like he was loafing to me, defensively, not offensively. Malik's issues are just different (imo), he's learning not to throw his big body around, he still fouls at a high clip, and I don't see that as conditioning at all.

You don't think Maliks issues defensively had anything to with his poor conditioning? Interesting. 

[HoosierHoopster]

2 hours ago, btownqb said:

You don't think Maliks issues defensively had anything to with his poor conditioning? Interesting. 

No, I don’t. You don’t think he’s worked heavily in practice and all season? 
“Interesting.”

do you just post to be a contrarian? Lol man, you’re welcome to your opinions, but good grief on the endless contrarian routine and the “interesting” thing

[CSP]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

No, I don’t. You don’t think he’s worked heavily in practice and all season? 
“Interesting.”

do you just post to be a contrarian? Lol man, you’re welcome to your opinions, but good grief on the endless contrarian routine and the “interesting” thing

 

What does the first question mean? I think Malik works hard in practice, of course. 

It's interesting because I thought it was rather obvious how out of shape Reneau was. 

I apologize for quoting you/disagreeing with your opinions. 

[HoosierHoopster]

3 hours ago, btownqb said:

 

What does the first question mean? I think Malik works hard in practice, of course. 

It's interesting because I thought it was rather obvious how out of shape Reneau was. 

I apologize for quoting you/disagreeing with your opinions. 

Lol you’re killing me with the smarmy stuff. What you can’t have a convo now without acting smarmy? Come on man, that’s tired. 
Malik struggled with fouling from day 1. He improved during the year but still had a ways to go. Out of shape, for the season? I didn’t see it that way, I saw a big man with great timing and footwork but who struggled in avoiding fouls. I’d bet on him this season, and hope so, his skill level is exceptional 

[CSP]

7 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Lol you’re killing me with the smarmy stuff. What you can’t have a convo now without acting smarmy? Come on man, that’s tired. 
Malik struggled with fouling from day 1. He improved during the year but still had a ways to go. Out of shape, for the season? I didn’t see it that way, I saw a big man with great timing and footwork but who struggled in avoiding fouls. I’d bet on him this season, and hope so, his skill level is exceptional 

I have no clue what the word smarmy means.  

Yeah, I love Malik. Now that he's reshaped his body he's going to have a great rest of his career. 

[bigrod]

17 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I have no clue what the word smarmy means.  

Yeah, I love Malik. Now that he's reshaped his body he's going to have a great rest of his career. 

Excessively ingratiating or insincerely earnest.

Just trying to help! (Is that smarmy of me?)

[Stuhoo]

4 minutes ago, bigrod said:

Excessively ingratiating or insincerely earnest.

Just trying to help! (Is that smarmy of me?)

Yes! lol

Let's move this thread back to Kel'El Ware pronto please.

[HoosierHoopster]

4 hours ago, btownqb said:

I have no clue what the word smarmy means.  

Yeah, I love Malik. Now that he's reshaped his body he's going to have a great rest of his career. 

I'm really looking forward to seeing how much Malik has improved over the summer -- staying cautiously optimistic since CMW played up Tamar last summer, but with a reshaped physique and a summer of work, yeah I'm pretty stoked!

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

23 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I'm really looking forward to seeing how much Malik has improved over the summer -- staying cautiously optimistic since CMW played up Tamar last summer, but with a reshaped physique and a summer of work, yeah I'm pretty stoked!

Malik and Tamar actually averaged the same amount of points last season. Biggest thing Malik has to work on is taking care of the ball.

[realTomCrean]

41 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Malik and Tamar actually averaged the same amount of points last season. Biggest thing Malik has to work on is taking care of the ball.

The real question is will his shooting be better than Tamar's?!

[CSP]

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/indiana-mike-woodson-raving-summer-improvements-trayce-jackson-davis

 

[cthomas]

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